John Wayne Parr made an interesting post on FB. Elite female MT champ vs a male

[Mga223]

We did that, bro......now it's out of control.

https://twitter.com/espn/status/631574358792798209

Rofl Merica for you.

 

[Polar Bears]

yup Lucia Rijker was the best female muay thai fighter ever in history, much better record than Ronda.. she fought a can male fighter who had a losing record.. and yup you can imagine what happened, she got knocked out cold.

 

[Lokkison]

That's fucked up that the male/female MT fight even happened. Who the fuck promoted this fight? What kind of fucking low life takes it?

Men should never be fighting women, in any circumstances. Doesn't matter if she's a world champ fighter and the guy is an ammy/low-level pro fighter. No one should be endorsing it. JWP shouldn't even be making a point to discredit Ronda on her statements by highlighting this video. It just gives the whole thing legitimacy.

It's not like Ronda is even calling guys out or saying she would dismantle guys at her weight class on her own accord. She keeps getting asked if she could beat Floyd or other male fighters, and like any fighter, she says she can beat anyone. She wouldn't be a champ if she said otherwise.

Why the fuck do people keep asking her this? Why is it such a huge topic and why would guys (especially established pros like JWP) even compare real M/F fights to disprove her? Of course men are going to beat women in 99% of combat situations. We are genetic fucking monsters by comparison. Men assaulting women wouldn't fly in any other scenario, so why entertain it in combat sports?

If a chick fighter carries on that she can beat up male fighters, do what we all do when a 6/10 thinks she's a 10/10, keep our mouths shut and maybe laugh about it when she's gone. No need to pull up practical situations of a guy KOing a girl and legitimizing women-bashing by advocating it.

Grow up! RRR has entertained the thought in interviews. MEN shouldn't hit LADIES, not fucking women. Sure, let's also say that blacks and gays can't serve in the armed forces either...

 

[FlowWithTheGo23]

ronda getting dismantled by a highschool wrestler

This video is awful. It skips around everywhere and it looks like Ronda taps the guy half the time anyway.

 

[TheNewGame]

Black belt females in BJJ and Judo take down and submit novice dudes all the time. The people who say this is impossible do not train. They are very insecure as well. You should have to at least have a purple belt IRL to be able to post in here.

Who's talking about novice fighters? The debate is about pro's, isn't it?

Obviously if A top pro female fighter were to face a novice of around her size, she would most likely be the favorite.

 

[spannered]

Grow up! RRR has entertained the thought in interviews. MEN shouldn't hit LADIES, not fucking women. Sure, let's also say that blacks and gays can't serve in the armed forces either...

This sort of attitude is what's wrong with society. Ronda only entertains the idea because people KEEP ASKING HER. Point out one interview where she has approached the subject herself. Sure, pro-feminists and other idiot women probably bring it up, but that's what feminists do nowadays -- look for ways to twist superiority over men. She has every right to say she could beat up men if asked, just like it's MM's right to say he could bash McGregor or Aldo (and EXPECTED). If you're a fighter then you should have unrealistic belief in your abilities.

But WHY are people asking her this when it's not morally right for the situation to even be approached?

And what the fuck is the difference between women and ladies? I'm not comparing thug moles trying to fight guys in clubs. Self defense is a different argument altogether.

The stupidest part of your post - you're trying to compare the right for women to fight men with gays and black's human rights issues. Like it's even remotely the same thing. Fucking stupid. The fact that you have those issues in the same light proves you don't understand how fucking sick it is to have a man trying to bash a women unconscious for competition's or entertainment's sake.

You're as dumb as JWP for forwarding on a man vs woman fight as a legitimate exercise in competition.

 

[Rudeboyben84]

Black belt females in BJJ and Judo take down and submit novice dudes all the time. The people who say this is impossible do not train. They are very insecure as well. You should have to at least have a purple belt IRL to be able to post in here.

So Femal BJJ blackbelts who weigh 135lbs can take down 200lbs plus men. Id say that statement is wrong, there are weight classes for a reason and women at 135lbs are the equivalent of a 105lbs male. Be realistic here!

 

[Andy Capp]

''Before Ronda Rousey started dominating mma, Muay Thai had Lucia Rijker.
In Muay Thai she was 37f, 36w with 1 draw (25ko's). After Muay Thai Lucia went to boxing with a record of 17f 17w (14 ko's).

Just like Ronda, in Muay Thai Lucia was presented with the challenge of trying to find a worthy opponent, so someone came up with the idea that she should fight a man.

In the end if you're a guy fighting a girl it's a lose-lose. You win, you beat a girl. If you lose you better retire. Below is the video of what happens when one of the worlds elite female fighters takes on a man.''



I'd also like to add that Lucia Rijker was the elite of the elite when it comes to womens kickboxing and Mauy Thai.. The guy in this video is a mid-level fighter early on in his career with no noticable victories under his belt.

Great post. Much respect to JWP. There are so many things to comment upon there.

First, in fairness, by all appearances this guy was no jobber; he was 14-0 with a bunch of knockouts. In every fight, someone has to lose. If we take it for granted that on at least several of those 14 occasions he was facing a fighter who was also undefeated, that raises his stock regardless of whether he had any notable victories.

The thing is the punch that put her out would not put her out if it came from a female, she was unable to really hurt the guy and then she took a very short uppercut and was out on her feet and took another two hits as she dropped.

It just showcases physically what a man can dish out and what a female skull can take.

Exactly, because women don't generally compete directly against men in this kind of sport, women really have no concept of the power difference. They just have no idea. She was holding her own until she opened up to prevent a draw and pow! Game over.

It would be interesting, and less painful, to see a tug of war, all female vs. all male, and with the same total weight on each side. Guess who wins?

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It's not like Ronda is even calling guys out or saying she would dismantle guys at her weight class on her own accord. She keeps getting asked if she could beat Floyd or other male fighters, and like any fighter, she says she can beat anyone. She wouldn't be a champ if she said otherwise.

Why the fuck do people keep asking her this? Why is it such a huge topic and why would guys (especially established pros like JWP) even compare real M/F fights to disprove her? Of course men are going to beat women in 99% of combat situations. We are genetic fucking monsters by comparison. Men assaulting women wouldn't fly in any other scenario, so why entertain it in combat sports?

If a chick fighter carries on that she can beat up male fighters, do what we all do when a 6/10 thinks she's a 10/10, keep our mouths shut and maybe laugh about it when she's gone. No need to pull up practical situations of a guy KOing a girl and legitimizing women-bashing by advocating it.

It's a huge topic because the UFC marketing department wants it to be. It's unbelievable to me that this is not more obvious to everybody.

I mean look at the record of this woman, Rijker. But to listen to the Rogan and all sorts of other people, no woman athlete has ever been so incredibly amazing as Rousey. It's ridiculous. All hype. I'm not saying she's not remarkable. She's just not uniquely better than any other woman ever.

We need for this kind of over-hyhpe to be exposed to keep people from being deluded by UFC marketing.

This is why I find it so hard to enjoy anything about UFC events other than the fights themselves these days. There's just too much overly exaggerated crap everywhere. It's lazy and boring.

 

[Rittsy]

I don't see the point of these threads. We all know. Rousey knows. Her coaches know.

This doesn't matter though; if people want to believe Rousey can beat male Bantamweights than they can believe it; it doesn't hurt anyone and they get a little joy out of it.

 

[Slicks]

yup Lucia Rijker was the best female muay thai fighter ever in history, much better record than Ronda.. she fought a can male fighter who had a losing record.. and yup you can imagine what happened, she got knocked out cold.

So now 13-1 is a losing record?

Where do you people come up with this stuff?

No, he wasn't anyone in male MT worth mentioning and he was a novice for sure but you don't need to lie either.

 

[Slicks]

This sort of attitude is what's wrong with society. Ronda only entertains the idea because people KEEP ASKING HER. Point out one interview where she has approached the subject herself. Sure, pro-feminists and other idiot women probably bring it up, but that's what feminists do nowadays -- look for ways to twist superiority over men. She has every right to say she could beat up men if asked, just like it's MM's right to say he could bash McGregor or Aldo (and EXPECTED). If you're a fighter then you should have unrealistic belief in your abilities.

But WHY are people asking her this when it's not morally right for the situation to even be approached?

And what the fuck is the difference between women and ladies? I'm not comparing thug moles trying to fight guys in clubs. Self defense is a different argument altogether.

The stupidest part of your post - you're trying to compare the right for women to fight men with gays and black's human rights issues. Like it's even remotely the same thing. Fucking stupid. The fact that you have those issues in the same light proves you don't understand how fucking sick it is to have a man trying to bash a women unconscious for competition's or entertainment's sake.

You're as dumb as JWP for forwarding on a man vs woman fight as a legitimate exercise in competition.

Simply put, you have a moral objection to this frame of thought.

You have decided to go all white knight on this board to ensure everyone is aligned with your thinking or else they get to face ridicule.

We all know men are more physically gifted than women as a sex, I don't think anyone will argue the contrary.

Do you also believe a large male should never hit a small male? How about someone with glasses? How about someone with an amputation? You are drawing a moral line and rationalizing it with your upbringing and perception of morality.

As long as a physical contest takes place between two consenting individuals, who the **** are you to judge?

 

[vcmmafan]

Well shit the USA Women's soccer/football team won the World Cup and they have been beaten easily by the under 17 year old men's team and the under 15 year old team

 

[The Reed]

ronda getting dismantled by a highschool wrestler

That is some seriously annoying editing.

After rewatching that awful video, I wouldn't call it a 'dismatling' at all. She got him down a couple of times had him in armbar positions then let go, probably because they weren't practicing submissions just takedowns. And a lot of the times he was on top were from her takedowns being unsuccessful, not from him taking her down.

After a third watch, he was really on defence for that whole video, not even joking

Either way the video is just so badly edited you can't really tell whats going on half the time.

 

[noizer]

Same weight male fighter will dominate but that doesn't mean much. Rhonda would be competitive with top 115 lb male fighters.

And you are basing this on exactly what?

 

[Polar Bears]

So now 13-1 is a losing record?

Where do you people come up with this stuff?

No, he wasn't anyone in male MT worth mentioning and he was a novice for sure but you don't need to lie either.

DOn't know what your getting 13-1 from. he was 2-4 losing record.

 

[PabloMEX]

All I know is I would put money on Ronda vs 95% of shertards. This is almost like the disrespect shown towards lighter weight classes.

 

[pojo15]

That is some seriously annoying editing.

After rewatching that awful video, I wouldn't call it a 'dismatling' at all. She got him down a couple of times had him in armbar positions then let go, probably because they weren't practicing submissions just takedowns. And a lot of the times he was on top were from her takedowns being unsuccessful, not from him taking her down.

After a third watch, he was really on defence for that whole video, not even joking

Either way the video is just so badly edited you can't really tell whats going on half the time.

this.

GOD that editing was awful. and he hardly dismantled her lol. if they were doing subs she would of tapped him out repeatedly. Honestly she looked pretty damn good.

 

[NeverAgainPlaya]

Black belt females in BJJ and Judo take down and submit novice dudes all the time. The people who say this is impossible do not train. They are very insecure as well. You should have to at least have a purple belt IRL to be able to post in here.

I agree with this. I used to study judo and jiu jitsu in (edit: during, not at my high school lol) high school. Four years. When I was a senior this girl came into class - 14 years old, tiny - but had already been training in judo for like 9 years. She was SMOKING a lot of us. It was pretty crazy. I think we all immediately realized there was no "going easy" on her, but it didn't help too many of us either.

That fucking broad was SLICK and did some pretty unorthodox shit, very well. Even in a street fight, where I'd be free to punch/kick/elbow/knee, I'd know damn well the dangers I'd face if she were able to take me down, and I wouldn't like the prospect of what could happen there.

And I had very fair grappling skills.

 

[HR]

I agree with this. I used to study judo and jiu jitsu in (edit: during, not at my high school lol) high school. Four years. When I was a senior this girl came into class - 14 years old, tiny - but had already been training in judo for like 9 years. She was SMOKING a lot of us. It was pretty crazy. I think we all immediately realized there was no "going easy" on her, but it didn't help too many of us either.

That fucking broad was SLICK and did some pretty unorthodox shit, very well. Even in a street fight, where I'd be free to punch/kick/elbow/knee, I'd know damn well the dangers I'd face if she were able to take me down, and I wouldn't like the prospect of what could happen there.

And I had very fair grappling skills.

People need to realize street fights do not turn out like martial arts fights, or even mma fights. It is alot more raw and ground fighting is generally just a second tier form of defense. Yes it's valuable to know but if you're fighting off your back you already fucked up in my opinion.

Who's skillset would you rather have in a street fight. Anderson Silvas or Ben Askrens?

The ability to strike accurately and move fast and clean can win 1v2s and even 1v3s. If you are a submission specialist you will most likely get your head kicked in by the guys friend or even headbutted, gouged and all sorts of shit on the ground. It isn't ideal. So these presumptions about how 120 lbs females submit dudes, yes this happens in the gym I've seen it too because its a controlled enviroment and usually these grapples even start from the knees in some scenarios.. in real life though

a 120 lbs female black belt in jiu jitsu vs lets say a 200 lbs NFL player in a street fight I will pick the man any day of the week, it's that simple. He would cave her head in. It does not take a genius to form a fist and hit somebody who is on the ground.


Contrary to popular belief Mark Coleman didnt invent ''ground and pound'' it's been around since the fucking dawn of time.

 

[Harlekin]

That striker video had like 2 threads already.
Men have even more advantages at striking than in grappling.