Joe Schilling sucker punching drunk guy

Hence why the law is fucking stupid. Americans wonder why their country is self destructing. There is no developed country in the world with worse laws, or judicial system than the states. A major part of the problem is water heads in this thread that think something like a "stand your ground" law makes sense. You're an absolute beta virgin if you think an MMA fighter should be allowed to hit a drunk person due to "acting aggressively near them", or the George Zimmerman case. The rest of the world laughs at your nonsense. Your entire legal and legislative system is broken, and retards like yourself are the problem.
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I'm saying that the judge decided Joe was defending himself, but according to that very law, Joe was clearly the aggressor and Balboa was the one 'standing his ground'. Joe acted aggressively first, not Balboa.



So I can just aggressively approach anyone I like and if they flinch, I have the right to brutally KO them? What an absolute dump of a state Florida is. Thank god I don't live in the USA.



By saying 'hey!'? lol



Not really. All it demonstrates is how absurd the law/courts are.

Joe aggressively approached Balboa for no reason whatsoever. He was the aggressor.
He said hey then did a flinch flex like someone about to throw a punch or feint would do
 
LMAO and let's not forget that after Joe did what he did, he posted this on IG. It's supposed to be the ex of the guy he KO'd...



Joe was clearly in full panic mode and this was his attempt at getting the public on his side.
 
When a guy steps to you aggressively in "real life" you put him down, make no assumptions as to how "dangerous" he may be to you... you don't know if he has a knife, gun, or 3 friends behind him to back him up.
 
Holy shit. Joe walked by and moved this clown to the side.

Clown says something like wtf bitch you got a problem? Joe walks back to him. Clown throws fake punch.

Joe reacts with a two piece.

That’s the end of the story and in all honesty pretty fucking justified in my opinion. If balboa didn’t fake a punch we would be having a different conversation but he did so FUCK HIM.
 
I have nothing to really add to this other than Florida is a shit hole and the Orlando Magic stink. The Jaguars deserved Urban Meyer for a decade. Feel free to disagree.
 
The official court ruling is interesting and has a good summary of how the court viewed the incident

* They never quite figured out what the guy said to make Joe turn around.
* The court describes Joe as unagressive and the victim as at fault for making a "feinting gesture"



Schilling was at the restaurant dining with a friend and colleague, Jamie Gall.
Ms. Gall noticed when Balboa entered the restaurant. He was boisterous and calling attention to himself. Balboa, who was celebrating a recent promotion, was admittedly drinking, singing, dancing and walking around the restaurant. He had a few beers, as well as a "good" or "decent" amount of shots.
At one point during the night, Balboa went up to Schilling and Gall's table. Balboa, a recreational boxer, testified that he did not know who Schilling was before that night. Ms. Gall, however, testified that she hear Balboa say something about fighting to Schilling. After a brief exchange, they asked Balboa to leave and he complied.
Later that evening, Schilling stepped outside to smoke. When he was returning to his table, Balboa, who was admittedly intoxicated at that point, stumbled into Schilling. The video taken by Ms. Gall shows that Balboa apologized without looking at Schilling, and Schilling acknowledged the apology while continuing to walk back to his table. For some undetermined reason, Balboa calls out to Schilling. Schilling turns around and looks at Balboa in an unaggressive stance. Schilling's feet were shoulder width apart and his hands were at his side. Balboa makes a feinting gesture towards Schilling. Schilling, who testified that he learned to anticipate punches as part of his training, instantly responded with two quick punches. Balboa fell to the floor unconscious.

Schilling testified that he thought he was about to be punched by Balboa. Once he believed the threat was neutralized, Schilling returned to his table, paid the bill and left the restaurant.


Under Florida's Stand Your Ground law, "[a] person is justified in using ... deadly force if he or she reasonably believes that using... such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself." A person who uses such deadly force "is immune from criminal prosecution" for the use of force. "Section 776.032(1) expressly grants defendants a substantive right to not be arrested, detained, charged, or prosecuted as a result of the use of legally justified force."

The Court must evaluate not whether Schilling's actions were necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself, but rather, whether Schilling reasonably believed that using such force was necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm.
Based upon a totality of circumstances and the facts presented at the evidentiary hearing, the Court finds that Schilling reasonably believed that Balboa posed a threat of great bodily harm to himself. The Court further finds that Schilling used only such force necessary to neutralize the threat, and is therefore entitled to immunity

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Really questionable what should be enough for a "feinting gesture". I don't think it was that bad cause his hands were down.

But one thing that this text clarifies is that it had nothing to do with the words being said, or with who walked up to who. It was all about the "gesture" just before the KO.


Too all the fuck nuts who called me out for what i said earlier in this thread ....suck it..

I told you , you dont need to be hit first for it to be self defense just very presence of aggression or danger is enough for self defense.. it would stupid that u need to be hit or hurt first before defending yourself ..as we seen here one shot can be all it takes to get hurt or dropped and expecting people to take a hit first in order to defend themselves legally is retarded...all you need is the presence of danger or a threat...
 
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It's awesome that these 2 met and didn't get some normal person entangled.
 
The guy called Balboa went down with only 2 punches?
Disappointed.
 
Well joe is lucky this happened in Florida - ass backwards state.

That said the douchebag was asking for it but it was a professional fighter who clearly planned it out.

Most of the United States have Stand Your Ground laws.

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Clown throws fake punch.
It was a gesture intended to provoke but can you really call it a fake punch when he had his hands down by his sides?

I think it was more of that type of gesture where guys scream "WHAT" and push their chest out, while holding their hands down by their sides.

Or similar to moving your head forward during a staredown to see if the other guy flinches.

To the court I guess it doesn't matter what he actually did, as they found it plausible Joe could've interpreted it as the beginning of a punch. But I don't think he was even remotely trying to fake a punch, I think he was just going for the "WHAT?" and puffing up his chest.
 
Translation: You had no idea what you were talking about, gave a cursory, inaccurate representation of the laws of a country you don't live in, and cited a case to obtusely refute the stand your ground legal concept where, in fact, the stand your ground defense wasn't used at all and has no connection to what you were talking about in even the slightest. Then you, ironically, call me a retard because you made a fool of yourself. Cheers mate, you just hit the half court shot of making yourself look like a fool. Impressive, even for Sherdog. In this instance, I'm Joe Schilling and you're random drunk bar guy. I'm dipping out unscathed and you're looking at the ceiling. Cheers.

Good on Joe for acting within his naturally inherited rights.

He is a washed up fighter trying to beat up little guys in bars to feel better. But in Floriduh he will just run into another insecure guy with a gun next time.
 
He is a washed up fighter trying to beat up little guys in bars to feel better. But in Floriduh he will just run into another insecure guy with a gun next time.

Funny, since this is the only incident I know of and the other guy was the aggressor. Not sure what it had to do with my post, anyway. Also, good L take on someone owning a firearm being insecure. :rolleyes:

Well joe is lucky this happened in Florida - ass backwards state.

That said the douchebag was asking for it but it was a professional fighter who clearly planned it out.

Another post where someone has absolutely no idea what they are talking about. Sorry to sound offensive but this is not lucky -- this is consistent with the law of the land across the country. It's amazing to me how people comment so bodaciously and clearly have no idea what their own legal rights are when it comes to self defense -- or -- what limits they have to being the aggressor in a situation before they get smacked legally. You can't approach someone and feint a punch and then claim to be the victim when you get pieced up with a 2 punch combo.

This is also exactly why the SYG laws exist. Because dopes like this drunk fool would claim victimhood after instigating a physical confrontation because Joe didn't run away and toss down women and children behind him like he was George Costanza.

Most of the United States have Stand Your Ground laws.

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Exactly.
 
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