Joe Rogan: fighters are lucky Lebron plays basketball

[kflo]

I pay not much attention to ball sports these days. I give it to Ronaldo. He competes in an International sport. In America we cling to the big 3.

Basketball isn’t international?

 

[Khaiser]

I pay not much attention to ball sports these days. I give it to Ronaldo. He competes in an International sport. In America we cling to the big 3.

People overlook just how massive a factor this is, but basketball is a sport predominantly played by exceptionally tall people (apparently 17% of all American males in the USA play in the NBA, apparently) in one country, mainly.

Football is literally the global sport, with a talent pool that dwarves the NFL, NBA and MLB combined, many, many times over.

 

[Khaiser]

Basketball isn’t international?

Basketball is international. So is MMA. So is badminton. So is field hockey. Etc

All of them have much, much, much smaller talent pools than football. To get near the top of that talent pool you absolutely have to be a special athlete.

 

[Khaiser]

I mean yes. Athleticism is still a big part of the equation. But it is the combination that sets him apart. From most.

Athleticism is an entirely separate equation form height. That’s my point.

1. Strength – the ability to create force
2. Speed – the ability to minimize the time cycle of a given movement
3. Power – the ability to create maximal force in minimal time
4. Mental Resilience – the ability to push yourself out of your comfort zone
5. Aerobic Capacity – the maximal amount of physiological work that an individual can do as measured by oxygen consumption
6. Anaerobic Capacity – the maximal work performed during maximum-intensity short term physical effort
7. Balance & Coordination – the ability to perform movements with precision and grace
8. Agility – the ability to be nimble on your feet and move quickly from one movement pattern to another
9. Stability – the ability to prevent movement in one part of the body while creating movement in another, thus protecting vulnerable areas
10. Mobility – flexibility in motion, the range of motion through muscles and joints

 

[Khaiser]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....te-robinson-floyd-mayweather-said-2020-11?amp

Have to respect what Floyd says in this one.
It’s easy for NBA players to stand in the sideline and make fun of Nate for getting KO’d. Simply by way of taking that fight though he’s already shown more balls than any of them who haven’t.

I might make fun of him after all the ‘A-level athlete’ hype, but absolutely nothing but respect to him.

 

[kflo]

Athleticism is an entirely separate equation form height. That’s my point.

1. Strength – the ability to create force
2. Speed – the ability to minimize the time cycle of a given movement
3. Power – the ability to create maximal force in minimal time
4. Mental Resilience – the ability to push yourself out of your comfort zone
5. Aerobic Capacity – the maximal amount of physiological work that an individual can do as measured by oxygen consumption
6. Anaerobic Capacity – the maximal work performed during maximum-intensity short term physical effort
7. Balance & Coordination – the ability to perform movements with precision and grace
8. Agility – the ability to be nimble on your feet and move quickly from one movement pattern to another
9. Stability – the ability to prevent movement in one part of the body while creating movement in another, thus protecting vulnerable areas
10. Mobility – flexibility in motion, the range of motion through muscles and joints

I meant it’s a big part of the equation as to why Lebron is unique.

 

[Jojomojo]

Basketball isn’t international?

Sorry to just limb in.
Ofc Basketball is international, but in a way different way. Not even in all european countries do people consider Basketball as a serious career option.
Here in Germany most of the leagues top Players are NBA rejects. The younger prospects earn less than a third league football player.
This is just Europe where there is atleast some money around.

 

[kflo]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.insider.com/black-nba-players-shouldnt-mock-nate-robinson-floyd-mayweather-said-2020-11?amp

Have to respect what Floyd says in this one.
It’s easy for NBA players to stand in the sideline and make fun of Nate for getting KO’d. Simply by way of taking that fight though he’s already shown more balls than any of them who haven’t.

I might make fun of him after all the ‘A-level athlete’ hype, but absolutely nothing but respect to him.

Definitely respect to him for stepping in the ring. Not much respect for the skills he showed while in there.

 

[kflo]

Basketball is international. So is MMA. So is badminton. So is field hockey. Etc

All of them have much, much, much smaller talent pools than football. To get near the top of that talent pool you absolutely have to be a special athlete.

And the same is true for the nba.

 

[Khaiser]

And the same is true for the nba.

Never once said otherwise to be honest mate. I respect too level NBA players as much as I respect most other top ball sports players that I don’t watch. To get to the top of just about anything in life you have to be pretty special.

Pretty much my only point on here has been to try and dispel the notion that he’s in some way ‘unique’ as if there is only one Lebron James calibre athlete walking the face of the earth.

There are loads of them. The US just holds the athletic characteristics most prevalent in the NFL and NBA (mainly short distance speed and jumping ability it seems) in higher esteem than the other characteristics of athleticism.

 

[DespicablePeep]

why do you think ESPN sport science is just fabricating numbers on multiple occasions but ronaldo's speed is a given as accurate?

Because FIFA actually developed players tracking for 2018, there is no such thing in NBA. And from the video alone Lebron numbers are off

https://sites.duke.edu/wcwp/tournam...systems/history-and-fifa-regulations-of-epts/

 

[mirko>anyone]

i don't know why it's so controversial though to take a position that lebron's athletic characteristics in a 6'8 250 body is just a little more unique and singular than ronaldo's overall athletic characteristics in a 6'1 185 lb body. that's not taking away from how freaky overall ronaldo is as an athlete and more importantly a soccer player. maybe i'm wrong on that but that's my main position on this. but agree with your post as well. it's alot of silly banter and digging in on minor points.

It’s not controversial at all, but it’s still an opinion. Lebron is certainly more unique, but it doesn’t necessarily make him more athletic. The Lebron over Ronaldo as an athlete argument has been countered comprehensively here, though. Both sides have been clearly stated and apparently there isn’t a clear consensus considering this argument has dragged on forever. For what it’s worth, I tend to agree with you. Lebron is, in my opinion, light years ahead Ronaldo as a pure athlete. Not only better, but far bigger as well. It’s just trivial at this point though, and I respect that others have a different take on it.

 

[kflo]

Never once said otherwise to be honest mate. I respect too level NBA players as much as I respect most other top ball sports players that I don’t watch. To get to the top of just about anything in life you have to be pretty special.

Pretty much my only point on here has been to try and dispel the notion that he’s in some way ‘unique’ as if there is only one Lebron James calibre athlete walking the face of the earth.

There are loads of them. The US just holds the athletic characteristics most prevalent in the NFL and NBA (mainly short distance speed and jumping ability it seems) in higher esteem than the other characteristics of athleticism.

Again, agree. And yes, there are many. Almost none in a frame like his. That’s all. But yes, a pissing match between soccer and nba/nfl is pointless. To separate from the pack in soccer you have to be special.

Of course, Messi > ....

 

[kflo]

It’s not controversial at all, but it’s still an opinion. Lebron is certainly more unique, but it doesn’t necessarily make him more athletic. The Lebron over Ronaldo as an athlete argument has been countered comprehensively here, though. Both sides have been clearly stated and apparently there isn’t a clear consensus considering this argument has dragged on forever. For what it’s worth, I tend to agree with you. Lebron is, in my opinion, light years ahead Ronaldo as a pure athlete. Not only better, but far bigger as well. It’s just trivial at this point though, and I respect that others have a different take on it.

I think we have another 100 pages in us.....

 

[kflo]

Because FIFA actually developed players tracking for 2018, there is no such thing in NBA. And from the video alone Lebron numbers are off

https://sites.duke.edu/wcwp/tournam...systems/history-and-fifa-regulations-of-epts/

Numbers are off based on you believing someone on sherdog who I proved was way off just conceptually.

 

[weaselkenievil]

I think we have another 100 pages in us.....

That’s the spirit! We can do this! Lebron is slow and not that athletic, basketball is rubbish and Ronaldo would be top 5 in basketball and MMA if he wanted due to him being a once in lifetime athlete! Come at me bro!

oh and I calculate Lebron’s max pace in that clip as 17.487

 

[Zoolander]

And as I keep telling you, you dribbling simpleton, no - he recorded the fastest time in a SINGLE ROUND OF FIXTURES. Do you even understand the format of the tournament? <45>

Who even mentioned an “NFL speed test” you utter, utter, jizz gobbling spastic?
In what way am I not supporting the use of mph? I absolutely back it, you daft fuck <45>

One of the most bizarre rants I’ve ever seen on here in all honesty. Literally no cunt on this forum has suggested that there are no NFL players faster than Ronaldo - not one single person - are here you are (having given up on Lebron) not trying to argue a point that nobody is contesting.

Again, much like the utter disbelief you demonstrated about Ronaldo being able to run faster than Lebron, you’re now here defending the entire US sporting world against a non-existent attack <45>

I'm going to keep it civil. Why does it matter what round the speed was taken in or the format of the tournament it was taken in? Are you making excuses about context that you weren't willing to make for Lebron?

I'm sorry you're not intelligent enough to grasp the comparisons across sports and the way I linked them.

You've suggested that Ronaldo is massively faster than Lebron James, a man who is considered one of the fastest individuals in the US ball sports which include football. I think my understanding of sports is just far more comprehensive than yours. All my "rants" have been supported by evidence. If you can't understand the evidence and how it applies that's on you.

Over and over you have accused me of a pro US bias. I've shown that the US sporting world has superior athletes in terms of pure athleticism, and I did so using your own mph argument against you. If you argued that soccer players are more skilled relative to their sport I wouldn't have an argument and I'd agree with you without accusing you of any biases. That's where the size of the talent pool comes in.

 

[Zoolander]

Lol you are in the top 5 fastest NFL players if you can run at 21,5 miles hahahahahahahah. Ronaldo at 33 in the world cup got to 21,1 miles/h. Thats 0,4 miles that he is missing on the top 5 fastest nfl players. Those 5 players are 23, 25, 26, 28 and 28 years old. Ronaldo was 33 when he clocked the 21,1 miles. And he did this in a sport where you are supposed to have stamina!!! Not some sport that consists of 5 sec of play and 5 minutes of rest lol. If Ronaldo trained like a NFL player, and he was in his prime, they could not touch him. 33 years old!!! And still can hang with the fastest guys from an anaerobic sport. Ronaldo is the Nr.1 athlete in the world, and those nfl guys cant hold a candle to him.

https://www.sportscasting.com/the-n...u-think-and-its-the-fastest-speed-in-3-years/
Actually, Ronaldo got to 21,5 miles this year. So he is Top 5 NFL players in terms of speed. At 35, turning 36 in 2 months. Ronaldo is so much more athletic than those nfl players, its not even funny.There are 1696 NFL athletes. Ronaldo is among the top 0,29% fastest of them. And thats at 36 years old in a sport that requires stamina. Checkmate.

If you care to go back and read the last 50 pages you'll see that I've already shown your post to be nonsense. But I'd rather not get into it again if you don't mind.

 

[Travis Alexander]

People overlook just how massive a factor this is, but basketball is a sport predominantly played by exceptionally tall people (apparently 17% of all American males in the USA play in the NBA, apparently) in one country, mainly.

Football is literally the global sport, with a talent pool that dwarves the NFL, NBA and MLB combined, many, many times over.

Did you just say 17% of American Males play in the NBA?

 

[Zoolander]

lol evidence? About NFL when we were talking about soccer. Of course NFL are faster, their whole game is about getting first touch down. Soccer is much more dynamic.

I've made the connections very clear and understandable and all my points have been made based off of the replies of others. You've repeatedly chosen to ignore evidence against you and have already been called on it. I believe you're playing dumb because I don't think you actually are dumb.