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Elections Joe Rogan Experience #1330 - Bernie Sanders, August 6, 2019

I completely agree with Bernie's stances on how powerful Big Pharma and the insurance companies are and how they are draining billions upon billions from us. - Same exact medication costing literally 10x higher than Canada, how we can't negotiate drug prices due to corrupt politicians, etc.

I think most of us conservative, independent and liberal posters can agree on that.
 
All of the maritimes have a doctor shortage, anesthesiologist shortage etc.

I'm not saying the Canadian system is perfect but I cannot imagine living with the insecurity Americans have of being potentially uninsured.
 
My favorite event in the WR the past month has been that you finally stopped pretending you were a Republican. You can drop the act that you ever were. It was fun to use you while it lasted. You've been pro-Bernie since 2015.
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I've been a registered Republican since 2011. Not sure why you're citing a post I made in April 2019 to back up a claim that I was pro-Bernie since 2015 or was never a Republican. In 2015, I was briefly pro-Trump because he was floating Andrew Napolitano for the Supreme Court. I then soured on Trump when it became obvious that wasn't going to happen, and I planned on voting for Rand Paul in the Florida primary. However, he dropped out right before then, so I didn't bother to vote in the primary.

The only reason I became a Republican was to vote for Ron Paul in the 2012 Florida primary since FL is a closed primary state. I was a center-right small l libertarian big R Republican at the time. Can you not accept that political opinions change over times sometimes? @panamaican has had a somewhat similar journey because of Trump and the nationalist populist wing of the Party. You think I was trolling for almost 10 years? I don't waste my time like that.
 
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Yes, yes, they are.

If you're not educated on a topic stop talking about it.
If you're not educated just stop talking. White people are poor and rich. Black people are poor and rich. Sometimes race is a factor, sometimes it is not.

This is what i meant when i said race and economics are not explicitly connected. Which word did you not understand?
 
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I've been a registered Republican since 2011. Not sure why you're citing a post I made in April 2019 to back up a claim that I was pro-Bernie since 2015 or was never a Republican. In 2015, I was briefly pro-Trump because he was floating Andrew Napolitano for the Supreme Court. I then soured on Trump when it became obvious that wasn't going to happen, and I planned on voting for Rand Paul in the Florida primary. However, he dropped out right before then, so I didn't bother to vote in the primary.

The only reason I became a Republican was to vote for Ron Paul in the 2012 Florida primary since FL is a closed primary state. I was a center-right small l libertarian big R Republican at the time. Can you not accept that political opinions change over times sometimes?@panamaican has had a somewhat similar journey because of Trump and the nationalist populist wing of the Party. You think I was trolling for almost 10 years? I don't waste my time like that.

We're all liars now.

Pan seems to be getting the worst of it now though. We got posters running around saying he isn't a real lawyer and want him demoded lol
 
I felt that he was pushing for background checks at gun shows, or at least ending the gun show loophole.
Also, keeping manufacturers accountable the same way we keep the pharmaceutical companies/ distributors accountable (recently) re: opioid purchases. That, plus studies and M4A (psyche counseling) would be 3 significant steps forward without trampling on the 2A.
Serious question, nothing against you, you're not the one saying it or running for president.

What is a gun show loophole?
 
It was a good interview for Bernie. Joe asked appropriate questions, stayed within himself, and gave Bernie the floor.
 
They literally, LITERALLY had the dancing drag queen kids on Ellen and good morning America. Praising the children as brave.

You gotta own it now. I know you personally don’t like it, but it’s an issue thebleft has embraced. Along with pushing 3 year olds to mutilate their bodies
Ellen is part of the LGBT community to begin with. 90+% of us are not. And she's a multimillionaire in the mainstream media. They're culturally liberal but not necessarily left wing in any traditional or substantive sense, they're not policy progressives.

They're rich people who like the current system the way it is and don't want to shake things up. They like the way surface level hope and change makes them feel or how it signals their virtue. They love frauds like Harris and Booty Judge. Harris is polling at 1% among blacks and Platitude Pete is polling at 0%. The real people know a phony when we see one. Hollywood is fake bullshit.
 
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I've been a registered Republican since 2011. Not sure why you're citing a post I made in April 2019 to back up a claim that I was pro-Bernie since 2015 or was never a Republican. In 2015, I was briefly pro-Trump because he was floating Andrew Napolitano for the Supreme Court. I then soured on Trump when it became obvious that wasn't going to happen, and I planned on voting for Rand Paul in the Florida primary. However, he dropped out right before then, so I didn't bother to vote in the primary.

The only reason I became a Republican was to vote for Ron Paul in the 2012 Florida primary since FL is a closed primary state. I was a center-right small l libertarian big R Republican at the time. Can you not accept that political opinions change over times sometimes?@panamaican has had a somewhat similar journey because of Trump and the nationalist populist wing of the Party. You think I was trolling for almost 10 years? I don't waste my time like that.
FWIW I'd expect any principled, intelligent right of center person to change their views based on how Republicans are behaving today (and for a long time now, quite frankly). Leaving aside tribal loyalty over country and corruption they've abandoned the conservative principles you support. They've abandoned basic decency. You didn't leave the party they left you!!!

Folks who talk about small government and deficits that are now firmly on the Trump train are moronic hypocrites. This isn't for you Jackie but for folks who are challenged the idea that center right people should be on board with adding big deficits through tax cuts, closing trade gaps with tariffs, political leaders using their microphone to attack and hurt businesses, shitting on our allies, supporting/befriending brutal dictators and abandoning the rule of law is absurd. Reagan and Bush are rolling in their graves.
 
Well I'm watching it right now and he could have challenged him on some things so far.

"Canadas healthcare is as good ad Ours".

No it's not. Especially out of the maritime "have not" provinces where it can take you 4 hours just to get a fucking birth control prescription. And the Drs are probably some of the worst in North America.

And Bernies "free college" plan is a financially obscene ploy to indoctrinate adults into socialist and progressive NPCs.

But Bernie is really good at the meat and potatoes problems. The consolidation of wealth is a real crisis. It's good that he doesnt shut up about that.
Canada's system isn't an ideal model. They should have done UHC at the federal level instead of the province level. It's still a better system than ours in many ways, particularly prescription drug prices. Few Canadians would trade our system for theirs, including most conservatives.
 
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I've been a registered Republican since 2011. Not sure why you're citing a post I made in April 2019 to back up a claim that I was pro-Bernie since 2015 or was never a Republican. In 2015, I was briefly pro-Trump because he was floating Andrew Napolitano for the Supreme Court. I then soured on Trump when it became obvious that wasn't going to happen, and I planned on voting for Rand Paul in the Florida primary. However, he dropped out right before then, so I didn't bother to vote in the primary.

The only reason I became a Republican was to vote for Ron Paul in the 2012 Florida primary since FL is a closed primary state. I was a center-right small l libertarian big R Republican at the time. Can you not accept that political opinions change over times sometimes?@panamaican has had a somewhat similar journey because of Trump and the nationalist populist wing of the Party. You think I was trolling for almost 10 years? I don't waste my time like that.
Please. Not buying this at all. Nobody goes from pro-Trump to pro-Bernie.

You and Pan changed-- if this is also true for him-- because you were as fragile with respect to identity politics as the Trumpets. I believe that for him. I don't for you.

Your supposed changed happened overnight following the remarks about the squad. You were still testifying pro-Republican beliefs until 6 weeks ago. It's all a charade.
 
Please. Not buying this at all. Nobody goes from pro-Trump to pro-Bernie.

You and Pan changed-- if this is also true for him-- because you were as fragile with respect to identity politics as the Trumpets. I believe that for him. I don't for you.

Your supposed changed happened overnight following the remarks about the squad. You were still testifying pro-Republican beliefs until 6 weeks ago. It's all a charade.

Why can't people have been pro-Trump and pro-Bernie in the past?

During the 2016 campaign, they actually ran a very similar populist campaign - no cuts to Medicaid or Social Security, clamp down on Wall Street abuses, lower drug prices, help the middle and working class, etc. Minus the Wall and Mexico paying for it bullshit of course.

You're too focused on labels. A person can consider themselves conservative and not agree with all the positions of the extreme right or vice versa - liberal but not agree with extreme left, etc.

People aren't labels and you can't pigeonhole them on all their positions based what party they align with.

I consider myself progressive, but can't stand this whole SJW movement and don't give a fuck what LGBTQ people want us to call them.
 
That's what I mean though. How would Rogan know what the Canadian healthcare system is like. You can find all kinds of conflicting information online and even Bernie acknowledges that it has it's own issues. For instance you say it takes 4 hours to get BC and Bernie says 45,000 people die every year because they don't have health insurance. Which sounds worse to you 45,000 people dying every year or 4 hour wait times for BC?

Bernie's free college plan sounds like to much even the way he talks about paying for it. I would rather we use that money to provide further income for M4A. We should just make it so that you can declare bankruptcy on the loans and then they'll stop handing them out to everyone.

M4A will already save us money as a nation from what we pay out now. Many studies show this. It will save us a few Trillion over the course of 10 years I believe.

His tax idea on capital gains sounds great. And would generate a ton of money for something like paying off student debt. Just a tax on capital gains that is less than .5%. Making pot legal nation wide could generate a lot of money for states nation wide. He has a lot of good ideas that will generate money to pay for a lot of these programs.
 
It is what i said. If you cant keep up with the conversation kindly fuck off.
A group of people forcefully doing unpaid labor then being separated from the rest of the population (and all that other wonderful stuff) is a class issue. The racial part speaks for itself.

Do I need to fucking spell it out in crayon or are you capable of thinking thoughts?
 
Please. Not buying this at all. Nobody goes from pro-Trump to pro-Bernie.

You and Pan changed-- if this is also true for him-- because you were as fragile with respect to identity politics as the Trumpets. I believe that for him. I don't for you.

Your supposed changed happened overnight following the remarks about the squad. You were still testifying pro-Republican beliefs until 6 weeks ago. It's all a charade.
I was hardly pro-Trump. I was hardcore anti-Hillary and leaning towards voting for Gary Johnson again. I was briefly considering supporting Trump simply because Andrew Napolitano was a hero of mine at the time and I still have a huge amount of respect for him. When I realized Trump wouldn't actually nominate Napolitano, I decided to vote for Rand Paul in the primary. Then he dropped out and I didn't vote at all in the primary.

FWIW, there were a significant amount of Bernie supporters that voted for Trump and also Obama supporters that did the same. Politics makes strange bedfellows.

I've never been an identity politics person.

I disagree with your timeline and I'd like to see you produce something to support it. I wasn't espousing Republican views 6 weeks ago. I didn't dramatically change overnight when Trump insulted The Squad.

I've liked you a lot over the years, but with all due respect, you can be a bit obtuse and strangely contrarian in some sort of radical moderate way. Our views used to be more in line. If we're going in opposite directions now, so be it. Not overly concerned with proving myself to you.
 
Joe is a shill

He hates on Amazon, then 45 minutes later in another podcast with Alanzo, he loves Amazon

He doesn’t have ideas, he just agrees with whoever is on now
 
M4A will already save us money as a nation from what we pay out now. Many studies show this. It will save us a few Trillion over the course of 10 years I believe.

His tax idea on capital gains sounds great. And would generate a ton of money for something like paying off student debt. Just a tax on capital gains that is less than .5%. Making pot legal nation wide could generate a lot of money for states nation wide. He has a lot of good ideas that will generate money to pay for a lot of these programs.

I agree 100% I just think he's pushing to much on people to quickly. He should focus on M4A and the rest of the stuff he should have brought up after he won and gets M4A passed.
 
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