Media Joe Rogan defends UFC over fighter pay

[Noctilux]

So Dr/Scientist Joe Rogan is saying before the pandemic fighters were getting fair pay?

 

[Sonny Qc]

If you don't realize by now that Joe cares about no one, uses his group of buddies as an idiot echo chamber and is a shill for his employer, the UFC, that also happens to be a horrible commentator and hyperbolic, that's on you.

So, you don't like Joe Rogan ?

 

[Hidden_Hand]

He basically says they all deserve more but the pot is dry right now due to audiences being low, he says nothing bad.

 

[Substance Abuse]

So, you don't like Joe Rogan ?

 

[RonMachineGunJhun]

Every company has debt but a lot of them still manage to pay their workers what they are worth. Especially when the fighters are the product the fighters are the revenue. No one buys a paperview to see Dana or Listen to DC, Or to see a bunch of "Celebrities" in the crowd. I like Joe think he does good on the mic. Knows a lot about the sport but he has over 100million in the bank so for him to be talking about fighter pay being fair or they should not get paid more is crap. What happened if spotify told Rogan they are only going to pay him wages of a local DJ on the radio. You think he would just be thankful to have his voice on the radio?

 

[Tweak896]

I don't really have a problem with anything he said per say.

He just said they all deserve more but with only one major player they are getting what they get. He said he doesn't talk business with them but knows WME is hurting, they laid off workers and there has been some news stories about WME's finances, so he is right on some level. Talks about the massive expense of just keeping the doors open in the UFC.

No doubt, we all know the fighters should get more. But that is up the fighters to do something about it at this point, blame them. WME isn't out of the goodness of their heart just raise pay scale by 20% of the revenue, no business does that over night and we shouldn't expect the UFC to do it either.

exactly, they could have an amazing year of profit but have debt obligations that barely get covered. I think this is a very complicated issue, and if they want better pay then they need to get another company to buy out the UFC. WME was fucked from covid and UFC is barely picking up the slack in their portfolio.

 

[Substance Abuse]

Everyone is like that, Ngannou only cares about fighter pay because it benefits him, his nigerian bros doesn't give a fuck because it's not their problem. It's the normal thing to do, you can never see a succesfull person crying about making other people rich. Why is your daddy Holloway is not showing his support for Ngannou? Because it's not his fucking problem. He probably negotiates behind the scenes for his own earnings but there is zero reason for him to cry about complete stranger.
You care about fighter pay because all you have to do is comment and cry so it won't negatively effect you, you don't have to make an effort about it.
Most you are too afraid to ask your boss for a raise but when it's come to ufc pay you guys are acting like tough guy
If you were working at UFC you would never dare to say anyhing about fight pay.

My point about Rogan doesn't simply apply to fighter pay.

You're going off on some tangent and trying to insult me for no reason. I guess my criticism of Rogan made you feel some type of way. It'll be okay, little buddy. You can still get your JRE fix on Spotify regardless of what I think, lol.

Wait, Joe is that you?

 

[Dreyga Hates You Sherbums]

True, this clip is a year or so old but the the issue of fighter pay is just as real now as it was back then. The UFC was still posting record profits while paying its fighters a fraction of their overall revenue compared to boxing and other professional sports. AFAIK, Joe hasn't changed his stance so his obviously shill comments are still relevant.

Yes, UFC broke records but WME almost went bankrupt. The UFC was the only thing that was keeping them afloat. What Joe was sating was accurate at the time.

 

[C0NCH3TO]

It is human nature to be selfish. Rogan is a multi millionaire man who grew in a middle class suburb of one of the best countries in the world lol. He can’t relate to Ngannou or many other folks out there. I have a few friends like that, they are not terrible people… they simply cannot relate to some circumstances because they had a different upbringing.

 

[Diogenes of Sinope]

This is a guy who suggested that Jon Jones possibly tested positive for Turinabol and clomid because he might have snorted cocaine laced with creatine made in a vat that also made steroids and clomid.

Dude has always been a company man

 

[BigDanStudd]

If you don't realize by now that Joe cares about no one, uses his group of buddies as an idiot echo chamber and is a shill for his employer, the UFC, that also happens to be a horrible commentator and hyperbolic, that's on you.

All very true. I think he even admitted to being a UFC shill because that's his job.

 

[ninja boot]

sherdog mantra : professing to be behind the fighters argument for better pay and then stream the fights without a second thought.

 

[jitzmonkey]

You can draw a direct line between his involvement with the UFC and his $100,000,000 Spotify deal; so yeah, not surprised.

 

[Substance Abuse]

All very true. I think he even admitted to being a UFC shill because that's his job.

It is his job, but Joe supports many stupid things aggressively and without educating himself because he wants to be contrarian.

 

[SakurabasEar]

He's always going to back dana and the company. Nothing surprising here.

If your looking for an objective take on the company, I wouldn't go with anybody from dana's 'regime'

 

[Caoimhin]

Of course he did

Fuck off Gwyneth

 

[MCS]

Everyone is like that, Ngannou only cares about fighter pay because it benefits him, his nigerian bros doesn't give a fuck because it's not their problem. It's the normal thing to do, you can never see a succesfull person crying about making other people rich. Why is your daddy Holloway is not showing his support for Ngannou? Because it's not his fucking problem. He probably negotiates behind the scenes for his own earnings but there is zero reason for him to cry about complete stranger.
You care about fighter pay because all you have to do is comment and cry so it won't negatively effect you, you don't have to make an effort about it.
Most you are too afraid to ask your boss for a raise but when it's come to ufc pay you guys are acting like tough guy
If you were working at UFC you would never dare to say anyhing about fight pay.

Why does your or my salary have anything to do with a UFC fighter's pay? If you separate the you from the topic you can look at it for what it is. And that's 15% to fighters from revenue. So we as fans of the sport hope them not to drool while broke at age 45. Listening to Goodridge, for example, is depressing.

And more money attracts better athletes to this sport. If the money was distributed like in US major sports it would be more of a career path than this shit.

Yet Joe Rogan, 25 years in the sport, is either clueless or plain dishonest about it. And he's supposed to be a voice of reason for many. What good does that do?

 

[Frank Edgar]

WME almost went bankrupt at the start of the pandemic, but alas we weren’t so lucky.

Regardless, they have billions in debt across multiple loans (and loans to pay for other loans), so it’s not like the record revenue is all profit

This is the insanity of corporate america. A bunch of already-rich assholes are massively in debt because they wanted to buy a company for billions of dollars in the hopes of eventually becoming extremely-mega-rich. And now they're just poor wittle businessmen that have to pay fighters scraps because of the debt they went well out of their way to put themselves in?

And we're expected to believe what? That once all of the investors are finally in the green and they finally start turning profits that they'll suddenly become much more generous rather than continue these practices to maximize the big profits that were the sole motive for them putting themselves in ridiculous debt in the first place?

 

[Senzo Tanaka]

I think the pay to profit scale is off but I do think most fighters are making pretty good money. Even if you are bottom tier fighter making 50k a fight, that's still great money and far more than they would make doing anything else. If you fight 3 times a year, that's 150k.

I do think guys like Ngannou should be getting paid a lot more but I don't have much sympathy for the Mike Perry's of the world making 190k a fight and complaining.

 

[Thick_Strong_Tight]

I don't really have a problem with anything he said per say.

He just said they all deserve more but with only one major player they are getting what they get. He said he doesn't talk business with them but knows WME is hurting, they laid off workers and there has been some news stories about WME's finances, so he is right on some level. Talks about the massive expense of just keeping the doors open in the UFC.

No doubt, we all know the fighters should get more. But that is up the fighters to do something about it at this point, blame them. WME isn't out of the goodness of their heart just raise pay scale by 20% of the revenue, no business does that over night and we shouldn't expect the UFC to do it either.

I don't follow WME's finances, but I will say that I think people misunderstand just how small the UFC is overall. The last revenue figure that I saw indicated around $1B in revenue, or approximately 8.0% of what the NFL does. From what I tell of that, pay is roughly inline with what the best of the NFL get on an annual basis.