Joe Rogan - Carnivore diet/0g carb diet

[Spam On Rye]

Been doing carnivore for a decade. Had a bunch of health issues so did it out of desperation and will never go back. Made me realize that Americans have an unhealthy relationship with food. Most of it is poison and everybody's addicted to it.

 

[Zaar]

Been doing carnivore for a decade. Had a bunch of health issues so did it out of desperation and will never go back. Made me realize that Americans have an unhealthy relationship with food. Most of it is poison and everybody's addicted to it.

I mean, everything seems to have some kind od processed sugar.

If you drink 0.5L cola per day, you just had about 55g of sugar. That's WAAAAAAAAAAAY too much sugar daily for an average person (unless you run 10km every day or something, lol).

Now compare that how much some people drink, and then think of everything else with sugar....I wouldn't be surprised if some people eat 100-200g of sugar a day, and I shudder to think there are those who have more than that.
And many won't even be aware of that
That is beyond ridiculous if true.

 

[Spam On Rye]

I mean, everything seems to have some kind od processed sugar.

If you drink 0.5L cola per day, you just had about 55g of sugar. That's WAAAAAAAAAAAY too much sugar daily for an average person (unless you run 10km every day or something, lol).

Now compare that how much some people drink, and then think of everything else with sugar....I wouldn't be surprised if some people eat 100-200g of sugar a day, and I shudder to think there are those who have more than that.
And many won't even be aware of that
That is beyond ridiculous if true.

Yeah that shit is poison. Plus it's all empty calories and you are always feel hungry when in reality you're just addicted. Its just as bad as doing drugs imo. The fact the big gulps exist is a sign of a sick culture.

 

[1rawdog]

I'll pass imagine listening to Rogan about nutrition

Imagine thinking the sum of this thread is any better though. So much of what is in here is off base, narrowed down or blanket statements. I considered responding to a few posts but there are too many to point out. The main thing I'd bring up is that you need to consider how individual we all are, each persons specific needs must be considered. it ain't one size fits all, there are pros and cons to be weighed out for each philosophy.

 

[LostMyBlackBelt]

Joe looks like a 5-3" tumor now

 

[wufabufa]

Diet can be a huge lever in terms of your health and it's highly variable between individuals. Personally my stomach and digestion works a lot better if I focus on animal protein. If I start creeping up towards 30g of fiber a day that tends to cause me some GI distress. Beef, fish, eggs, some veggies(mainly asparagus and broccoli), white rice, and some fruit(mainly bananas and blueberries, can't handle high amounts of fructose) is what my diet consists of. Pretty much the Vertical Diet but without nightshade fruits/veggies. I've had a host of other gut problems over the years so I've had to distill my food choices down so I can function at work without having an IBS attack.

I played with a keto diet a few years back and while it was a tough adjustment getting my body to burn fat as fuel, I ended up feeling much different. My mental clarity was better and I ended up getting over some chronic injuries during that time that hadn't responded to physical therapy, massage, and chiropractic adjustments. It's like all the extra dietary fat lubricated my joints and tendons...I know that makes no scientific sense but my body was moving smoothly. Either I was ready to spontaneously recover or the diet calmed some of that inflammation...maybe both and the diet helped kickstart that process. On the flip side, my sleep was worse, my workouts were flat, and I wasn't salting my food enough so hydration became difficult.

I'm certainly curious to try a carnivore diet but I'm apprehensive about the adjustment period with regards to untrustworthy poops and farts. I've got some more niggling injuries going on and I think it might be worth it to see if I can recreate my past results.

 

[1rawdog]

Diet can be a huge lever in terms of your health and it's highly variable between individuals. Personally my stomach and digestion works a lot better if I focus on animal protein. If I start creeping up towards 30g of fiber a day that tends to cause me some GI distress. Beef, fish, eggs, some veggies(mainly asparagus and broccoli), white rice, and some fruit(mainly bananas and blueberries, can't handle high amounts of fructose) is what my diet consists of. Pretty much the Vertical Diet but without nightshade fruits/veggies. I've had a host of other gut problems over the years so I've had to distill my food choices down so I can function at work without having an IBS attack.

I played with a keto diet a few years back and while it was a tough adjustment getting my body to burn fat as fuel, I ended up feeling much different. My mental clarity was better and I ended up getting over some chronic injuries during that time that hadn't responded to physical therapy, massage, and chiropractic adjustments. It's like all the extra dietary fat lubricated my joints and tendons...I know that makes no scientific sense but my body was moving smoothly. Either I was ready to spontaneously recover or the diet calmed some of that inflammation...maybe both and the diet helped kickstart that process. On the flip side, my sleep was worse, my workouts were flat, and I wasn't salting my food enough so hydration became difficult.

I'm certainly curious to try a carnivore diet but I'm apprehensive about the adjustment period with regards to untrustworthy poops and farts. I've got some more niggling injuries going on and I think it might be worth it to see if I can recreate my past results.

Good post , 90% relatable to my experiences as well as a few others I know.

 

[NenadRS]

I mean, everything seems to have some kind od processed sugar.

If you drink 0.5L cola per day, you just had about 55g of sugar. That's WAAAAAAAAAAAY too much sugar daily for an average person (unless you run 10km every day or something, lol).

Now compare that how much some people drink, and then think of everything else with sugar....I wouldn't be surprised if some people eat 100-200g of sugar a day, and I shudder to think there are those who have more than that.
And many won't even be aware of that
That is beyond ridiculous if true.

Yes, just processed sugar, or any other, by itself is not unhealthy at all. Simple sugar is the best energy you could possible take if you need it. 55g of sugar is nothing if you are active.

Just your brain uses about 120g of sugar/glucose per day to function.

But the issue with these drinks is that you easily overeat and mess up your appetite - if you are obese, you just do not need that extra energy at all.
As you said with activity - lets say you did 1h of fast swimming, you can eat 100g of pure white sugar at once, and you will be fine and it will help you recover. Micronutrition on the side, no ill effects.

Healthy appetite should guide you, what you need and when, it changes with activity, body state, etc... And sugar in drinks you just do not feel quickly enough to get feedback, once you are fairly obese, appetite hormones are messed up, and then it takes will power, character, to break out of it. You cannot listen to your body anymore...

 

[Toothlessjoe]

The carnivore diet provides you with the energy to perform the serious amount of mental gymnastics required to convince yourself it's healthy.

People just presume gym performance, or immediate feelings, are an indicator of a healthy diet. Unless you have serious immune issues or allergies, increasing your risk of cancer stimulation, and arterial damage over the long term is criminally stupid.

The carnivore diet is akin to one of those drugs they put crackheads on while they recover to minimise withdrawal risks. You're addicted to fatty, salty foods, and you think the carnivore diet is healthy because it's not coming from the worst kinds of processed foods.

 

[shadowmanifold]

30 years ago I would have thought this was dumb. Just eat low glycemic carbs too for energy. I lost the diabetic genetic lottery though that even eating oatmeal becomes problematic now. What works for me now is meat, nuts and fibrous vegetables.

People have widely different responses to different diets and you have to figure out what works best for your body at this moment in time. If you think something is stupid for someone else based on your body, you probably just haven't trained long enough to see the changes in your own body, yet.

 

[Tayski]

What's the purpose of such a diet?

I think it's retarded to eat only animal products when:

1. We know of all the health benefits of vegetables, fruits, nuts, plants etc.
2. It's been proven that a diet very high animal meat (especially from mammals) causes issues parts of the digestive system such as the colon, and there are even studies showing the correlation with such consumption and cancer.

There is a reason athletes and elite level fighters are not on the carnivore diet. You do need a mix of quality protein + some carbs and vitamins to perform at the highest level. One without the other is depleting oneself.

I'm curious to see someone who sticks to the carnivore for 5+ years and study his heart, digestive system including the colon, and his blood tests.

 

[1rawdog]

I'm curious to see someone who sticks to the carnivore for 5+ years and study his heart, digestive system including the colon, and his blood tests.

Personally I'm not too interested in arguing the subject of the thread because it's so full of "yeah but.." other than to give a real quick answer to the broadest of questions - "is it healthy?" TLDR; it depends.

The first line of your post seems to make your position clear but if you truly are curious I suspect that Dr Shawn Baker night be a subject worth looking into. IDK if you'll find the data you're looking for but I think he has ate pretty much nothing but beef for around 10 years and has held some sort of physical performance world record(s) in his 50's. You'd have to vet all that for yourself, I'm just giving you a starting point. I'd think somebody out there must have what you seek if you are seriously interested in having a well rounded view.

 

[Tayski]

Personally I'm not too interested in arguing the subject of the thread because it's so full of "yeah but.." other than to give a real quick answer to the broadest of questions - "is it healthy?" TLDR; it depends.

The first line of your post seems to make your position clear but if you truly are curious I suspect that Dr Shawn Baker night be a subject worth looking into. IDK if you'll find the data you're looking for but I think he has ate pretty much nothing but beef for around 10 years and has held some sort of physical performance world record(s) in his 50's. You'd have to vet all that for yourself, I'm just giving you a starting point. I'd think somebody out there must have what you seek if you are seriously interested in having a well rounded view.

My position is sort of clear; I personnally don't buy it as it tends to go against other well documented researches on diet and health. One of the most evident facts is that humans needs a balanced diet and that plants such as vegetables and fruits are crucial for great health and longetitivty to get the necessary vitamins, nutrients etc. We also need carbs and protein both for fueling the body as well as repairing cells, tissues, and so on. So when you go on any diet that focuses just on one part of the diet and essentially bans the other necessary elements to our diet, it usually means you will be defient in something while also overloading on just one thing.

That's why I don't personnally think a fully vegan diet is the healthiest nor is a carnivore one, because the only way they can be is then by taking supplements to make up for the lack of things you're not ingesting. I.e. a vegan diet tends to lack on vitamin B12, vitamin D, iron, zinc and calcium which you can find in animal products, while a carnivore diet will lack vitamins like A, C, and K and Polyphenols.

And we all know that's it's better to get your vitamins from real sources than from tablets.

A lot of well sourced studies seem to indicate that high meat consumption has negatitive conserences on your heat and column and is linked to cancer. Also, lot of the nutritients that you are getting through that meat are essentially nutients which have been absorved by the animal and that you are then ingesting. Having said that it's a great source of protein, iron and other things we need.

Now I am still curious and open minded and would love to look at any well documented researches on short term and long term beneficts and cons, just like for any other diet.

 

[maximus__]

Carnivore influencers like Rogan won't tell you about the side effects (diarrhea, constipation from lack of fiber and fucking up gut microbiote) or about the number of supplements they take to make it works .

If you are on a pure carnivore diet, you will get scurvy, period.

And don't bring up that there is vitamin C in liver or kidneys: there is none after cooking and not a single carnivore is eating 300g a day of raw liver.



Well yeah, when it's the only way too feed, a carnivore diet is preferable to death by starvation.

It's the first thing he said when he started eating like that. Basically that he had explosive shits.

Most of them seem to have transitioned to animal based diets but add in fruit.

I can think of worse things to eat than T bone steaks and a fruit platter haha.

 

[spinup]

The carnivore diet is akin to one of those drugs they put crackheads on while they recover to minimise withdrawal risks. You're addicted to fatty, salty foods, and you think the carnivore diet is healthy because it's not coming from the worst kinds of processed foods.

Yeah. That's one reason carnivore can work for weight loss : for some, it's easier to ditch junk food for meat than for a balanced diet with lots of vegetables. And also maybe easier to cook.

It gives a high protein, high satiety, low carb diet yet still very tasty due to the fats. So less frustrations, less cravings and ultimately lower calories.

Way too many to side effects to be healthy on the long term.

 

[shunyata]

The carnivore diet cured my lifelong asthma and psoriasis. Also helped me pack on lean muscle mass. It's legit as fuck.
People with auto immune issues should look into this. You might be surprised it's actually allergic reactions to dairy, grains and some of the plants you eat (which plants will vary from person to person). Meat is the best food for humans hands down.

How long were you able to maintain it before needing to soften the rules to get vitamin C and fiber into your system?

 

[tank666]

I'm too scared too even try this as keep reading this diet increases chances of cancer.

 

[HatKick]

How long were you able to maintain it before needing to soften the rules to get vitamin C and fiber into your system?

Oh I never actually went 100% carnivore. Would simply be too boring. I mean even if you wanted to, who even has the discipline for that? I'm probably about 80-90% carnivore for about a year. The rest is mostly nuts and low carb veggies. Best shape of my life healthwise and fitnesswise. Never had any adverse effects.

 

[shunyata]

Oh I never actually went 100% carnivore. Would simply be too boring. I mean even if you wanted to, who even has the discipline for that? I'm probably about 80-90% carnivore for about a year. The rest is mostly nuts and low carb veggies. Best shape of my life healthwise and fitnesswise. Never had any adverse effects.

Fair enough.

It's funny to me how all the extremist fad diets seem to overlap on a simple core of protein and vegetables.

 

[Toothlessjoe]

Fair enough.

It's funny to me how all the extremist fad diets seem to overlap on a simple core of protein and vegetables.

All these "influencers" don't even follow their own carnivore diets. They all find a way to make some ludicrous argument for including fruits, "fruits" (like spaghetti squash), and honey. Not to mention whatever supplement brand they have equity in.