Crime Joe pardons Hunter

[Sara]

Keep reading what? Is there another post of your ITT you want to point me to?

You mean the one with the links?

 

[Islam Imamate]

You mean the one with the links?

The one where you link to a bunch of threads? As in this one?

Therapists say that Trump Anxiety Disorder is for real.

From what I gather, therapists are basically the replacement of family and friends in American society. How much of this is just people bitching about politics to the only person that will listen (because they're paid to)? Your post ties in nicely to what Christopher Lasch had to say about...

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Tim Walz was caught red handed assisting his son voting, which is a clear violation of election laws stating that a candidate cannot assist/help anyone voting. We all know that his son was likely planning to vote for Trump because he knows more than anyone how big of an idiot his father is. Tim...

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SNL writer suspended for Barron Trump tweet

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I mean just read these threads that mention him, I’m not great at the search function.

Some justify Barron being attacked/made fun of cause Chelsea Clinton was made fun of…..she literally would not condone that

Can you cite the posts you're referring to in question? And also how that's relevant to the post I made there?

 

[Sara]

I’m on a touch screen with acrylic nails don’t act like the search function her is even 1/10th as good as google. I’d have to remember the name of the posters, hope the posts haven’t been deleted, hope the poster that made the posts isn’t now deleted user 12345, etc. good you guys say there’s a thread trashing so and so I just believe you, but then again I’m not hateful enough to just assume your all lying all the time

 

[Sara]

The one where you link to a bunch of threads? As in this one?

Can you cite the posts you're referring to in question? And also how that's relevant to the post I made there?

There are multiple examples in each link, this isn’t a research paper.

 

[Andy Capp]

No I actually don’t, I think that unless trump appeals and wins he’s still guilty, I think innocent till proven guilty, but I don’t believe in a father pardoning his son for a ten year period blanket means he’s innocent

No one said it means he's innocent. If you're going to respond to me how about we stick to what I actually said?

 

[Islam Imamate]

I’m on a touch screen with acrylic nails don’t act like the search function her is even 1/10th as good as google. I’d have to remember the name of the posters, hope the posts haven’t been deleted, hope the poster that made the posts isn’t now deleted user 12345, etc. good you guys say there’s a thread trashing so and so I just believe you, but then again I’m not hateful enough to just assume your all lying all the time

You think its hateful for me to ask you to substantiate your claims? I think that's perfectly fair, if anything your getting defensive about it is what's weird. If you don't feel like doing it now that's fine, part of the point of a forum is that is allows asynchronous communication so you can get around to it later and I would still get the notification.

There are multiple examples in each link, this isn’t a research paper.

Can you cite them? I prefer not to do your homework for you. Doesn't have to be APA or Chicago format, just quote the posts in question.

 

[MMAisGod]

“Can it even be done” is a good question. Another thing that gets debated a lot is, is a person admitting some sort of guilt by accepting a pardon? Like, it’s not an official admittance of guilt, but since a pardon is forgiveness for a crime/offense, it does carry the implication that the person that has accepted a pardon committed some sort of offense against the US.

Sweeping pardons that include a crime but go beyond it, like Biden’s pardon of Hunter have been done before, but this is different. I am kind of doubtful that it can be done but I imagine our friends at the SCOTUS could be involved at some point.

I think maybe it would depend on how the pardons are worded maybe. The Constitution doesn’t say there has to be a charged crime, but there does have to be an “offense against the United States,” in order to pardon it. I wonder what offenses Biden would list?

I’ll add this whole thing to the list of Constitutional crises that Trump has created over the past 8 years, of which there have been several.

EDIT: I forgot to answer your question as to why Biden would do this. Because Trump has threatened these people without any basis and now has the power and the immunity to make good on those threats. Biden I think would be trying to protect them through whatever means he feels he can.

This is what I was talking about. These things are just indefensible to me. I don't wanna hear Trump, Obama, Bush, whoever. I'm talking about the here and now. You can't be like "I'm gonna pardon Liz Cheney for x amount of future time for anything they may be accused of, oh and some others too". This is actually worse to me than some of the terrible pardons other presidents have made and sets precedent that can lead to MUCHHH worse abuse in the future.

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

The years of investigations that didn't turn up any says there doesn't appear to be any.

Did he plead guilty?

 

[Sara]

No one said it means he's innocent. If you're going to respond to me how about we stick to what I actually said?

The years of investigation with no evidence sure reads like youre saying he’s innocent Andy.

 

[Islam Imamate]

This is what I was talking about. These things are just indefensible to me. I don't wanna hear Trump, Obama, Bush, whoever. I'm talking about the here and now. You can't be like "I'm gonna pardon Liz Cheney for x amount of future time for anything they may be accused of, oh and some others too". This is actually worse to me than some of the terrible pardons other presidents have made and sets precedent that can lead to MUCHHH worse abuse in the future.

Its absolutely nowhere near as bad as Trump's pardons because he was pardoning his own cronies like Stone and Manafort who were involved in crimes which he was complicit in.

The Hunter pardon is bad because of the obvious optics and even on the substance of it, its burning goodwill for the sake of a reckless criminal. But offering potential pardons for people in Trump's crosshairs like Liz Cheney, Dr. Fauci, and Adam Schiff is a lot more defensible because we have zero reason to think they did anything wrong but plenty of reason to think a weaponized DOJ under Trump would go after them.

If anything I would rather see a Cheney or a Fauci pardoned be pardoned over Hunter Biden who is probably going to get himself in trouble later anyway. If Joe was really considering this then starting with the Hunter pardon actually undermines his efforts as it hurts its credibility.

 

[MMAisGod]

Its absolutely nowhere near as bad as Trump's pardons because he was pardoning his own cronies like Stone and Manafort who were involved in crimes which he was complicit in.

The Hunter pardon is bad because of the obvious optics and even on the substance of it, its burning goodwill for the sake of a reckless criminal. But offering potential pardons for people in Trump's crosshairs like Liz Cheney, Dr. Fauci, and Adam Schiff is a lot more defensible because we have zero reason to think they did anything wrong but plenty of reason to think a weaponized DOJ under Trump would go after them.

If anything I would rather see a Cheney or a Fauci pardoned be pardoned over Hunter Biden who is probably going to get himself in trouble later anyway. If Joe was really considering this then starting with the Hunter pardon actually undermines his efforts as it hurts its credibility.

Nah, you can't pardon someone because "they might be investigated". What if, wait for it, CRIMES ARE FOUND? But no, let's make sure the people that are favorable to me are immune to prosecution for anything that me be discovered in 2026. I know FOR A FACT if Trump was issuing some "future pardons" to JD Vance or Tom Homan or something your opinion would be much MUCH different on this. This is the precedent you're okay with setting because you like the people doing it.

 

[jefferz]

Reminds me of bible thumpers sending all their money to evangelists in exchange for salvation in the next life

Salvation is only $59.99 away.

 

[sanguinius]

There are multiple examples in each link, this isn’t a research paper.

Don’t bother.

 

[Scerpi]

I don't think its unrealistic to expect people to substantiate their claims. When I make those types of accusations I try to back it up with reference to at least one or two posts instead of lazily making accusation I know I have no intention of ever substantiating. On top of that even if you felt it was asking too much you could just concede you can't substantiate your claim instead of getting defensive and accuse me of defending Hunter when I did nothing of the sort.

The interesting thing is in using the search function I found out you like to use this deflection occasionally and yet despite claiming a bunch of people said those horrible things about Baron you can only produce one guy, Peter Fonda, who apologized shortly afterwards. Its a complete nothingburger and yet you want to blame the entire left for the one statement made by Peter Fonda and I don't think that's fair at all.

@Sara
You clowns didn't try very hard

From 2017

Barron Trump: Defence of president's son goes viral​

Barron Trump: Defence of president's son goes viral

A supporter of President Trump has rallied to defend his son, after he was criticised online.

www.bbc.com

 

[Sara]

Don’t bother.

Quitter

 

[Sara]

@Sara
You clowns didn't try very hard

From 2017

Barron Trump: Defence of president's son goes viral​

Barron Trump: Defence of president's son goes viral

A supporter of President Trump has rallied to defend his son, after he was criticised online.

www.bbc.com

Pretty sure one of the clowns is or has me on ignore but likes to quote people I’m conversing with to pile on.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Nah, you can't pardon someone because "they might be investigated". What if, wait for it, CRIMES ARE FOUND? But no, let's make sure the people that are favorable to me are immune to prosecution for anything that me be discovered in 2026. I know FOR A FACT if Trump was issuing some "future pardons" to JD Vance or Tom Homan or something your opinion would be much MUCH different on this. This is the precedent you're okay with setting because you like the people doing it.

No its not because the people I like are doing it, its because the circumstances are actually different. As I said I don't agree with the Hunter Biden pardon so clearly its not just me supporting "my side" but trying to protect Trump's enemies from the political persecution he and his pick for FBI director Kash Patel are openly saying they will carry out is nowhere near comparable to Trump pardoning people like Stone and Manafort who were complicit in schemes that Trump himself was involved in.

I don't think Biden should do it because idk that I like the idea of vague, backdated pardons but idk the specifics of how that fits within the historical use of the pardon power. That said one of the primary reasons the pardon power exists is for the president to offer a shield from politically motivated investigations.

 

[MMAisGod]

No its not because the people I like are doing it, its because the circumstances are actually different. As I said I don't agree with the Hunter Biden pardon so clearly its not just me supporting "my side" but trying to protect Trump's enemies from the political persecution he and his pick for FBI director Kash Patel are openly saying they will carry out is nowhere near comparable to Trump pardoning people like Stone and Manafort who were complicit in schemes that Trump himself was involved in.

I don't think Biden should do it because idk that I like the idea of vague, backdated pardons but idk the specifics of how that fits within the historical use of the pardon power but one of the primary reasons the pardon power exists is for the president to offer a shield from politically motivated investigations.

More nah, and I hope if he tries this foolishness the SC shuts it down. It's ridiculous to say "someone might be accused of something in the future, so if they are, you're immune, that'll show em". If I told you Trump said he was giving people "future pardons because they will be targeted unfairly" you'd believe it was true and find it utterly ridiculous and highly suspicious at best if not worse but somehow we are discussing this. Better yet, here's another way to look at it.

Say Biden pardons Cheney and Fauci and whoever else he wants "for the future because they might be investigated". Okay. Future pardon in effect. Now Trump sees this and says hey, I can actually TRIPLE DOWN these next four years because in 2028 I can just "future pardon everyone" as well. Is that what you want to start? Do you really think that is a better outcome?

Incredibly, incredibly short slighted thinking here if he goes through with this.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Excuse me if this has been posted before...


Pretty interesting how in sync they are with their lambasting of the evil Trumps desecration of the "rule of law" with the sweet saintly Bidens utter respect for the "rule of law"

Americans now realize there is no Difference whatsoever, unless you are totally brainwashed (a useful audience)

Liars lying for liars. Take a good whiff. If you consume any of this junk, you need to know they (everyone of those people in the clip) think you are morons, sad part is everyone around you now knows it.

You simply love to see it, and it is amazing how readily they put together these montages that continue to embarrass mainstream media.

the Trump era has really broken the media, and the Brandon arc has been the nail in the coffin, just flat out provably lying and gaslighting the American public for 4 years

 

[Islam Imamate]

More nah, and I hope if he tries this foolishness the SC shuts it down. It's ridiculous to say "someone might be accused of something in the future, so if they are, you're immune, that'll show em". If I told you Trump said he was giving people "future pardons because they will be targeted unfairly" you'd believe it was true and find it utterly ridiculous and highly suspicious at best if not worse but somehow we are discussing this. Better yet, here's another way to look at it.

Say Biden pardons Cheney and Fauci and whoever else he wants "for the future because they might be investigated". Okay. Future pardon in effect. Now Trump sees this and says hey, I can actually TRIPLE DOWN these next four years because in 2028 I can just "future pardon everyone" as well. Is that what you want to start? Do you really think that is a better outcome?

Incredibly, incredibly short slighted thinking here if he goes through with this.

Like I said I don't like the idea of issuing a vague pardon that isn't for a specific crime but I reject the idea that this is anyway comparable to Trump pardoning his cronies which got nowhere near the same amount of attention despite being far more egregious.

I can think Biden pardoning Hunter is wrong and that he shouldn't issue vague, blanket pardons for Liz Cheney was also recognizing not only that Trump's pardons were far worse, as they were for accomplices, but that Trump himself is giving Biden good reason to think about this option with how openly he is threatening to go after political opponents in a manner unprecedented in US history. We're supposed to look at all this and think Biden is the problem here? Nah.