Joe Calzaghe Announces Retirement

[BrooklynBomber]

Have to disagree with you on the Hopkins/Cal fight, Brooklyn. I was rooting for Hopkins, but there is no way he was doing enough.

Yes, he would land a decent right hand once or twice a round, but these werent such devastating blows that they completely negate the work Joe was putting in all round.

The volume and work rate that Hopkins used against Pavlik would have got him the W against Joe, but he was nowhere close to that.

If Joe had anything on his punches he'd have won the fight on my card as I scored it 7-5, 115-112 for Nard.

Hopkins may not have put in as much work, but the work he did was more effective to me.

 

[ncmmarookie**]

waz he wobbed man? you tell me waz he WOBBED?

Well Joe was really damaging the leather on Manfredo's mitts.
The ref just said, ENOUGH!!! his hands can't take anymore damage.

That ref would have gave Sam Soliman a TKO over Winky Wright.

 

[mschatz]

If Joe had anything on his punches he'd have won the fight on my card as I scored it 7-5, 115-112 for Nard.

Hopkins may not have put in as much work, but the work he did was more effective to me.

Everyone scores differently, but I reward the more significant punches over ineffective work as well. Hopkins wasnt THAT effective. He would land a few scoring right hand leads...that's great, but he's not a power puncher. These weren't such great right hands that they made an impact on Calzaghe. They didn't slow him down or dissuade him from changing his tactics.

I think it's hard to argue that Hopkin's few scoring blows were more effective when they didn't make Joe change his tactics to avoid them.

 

[webeballin]

See, that's the difference between Calzaghe and Roy Jones, Jr. See, Jones would've done his damnest to fight Dawson were he the top light heavyweight in the division today.

Lol roy jones yes because roy certainly was banging down the doors to fight the likes of Dariusz Michalczewski wasn't he?


It is a shame when roy jones jr wants to proved himself when he's over the hill rather than when he was in his prime



dawson is another overhyped american prospect alot better than lacy but still not worth the hype

 

[BrooklynBomber]

Lol roy jones yes because roy certainly was banging down the doors to fight the likes of Dariusz Michalczewski wasn't he?


It is a shame when roy jones jr wants to proved himself when he's over the hill rather than when he was in his prime



dawson is another overhyped american prospect alot better than lacy but still not worth the hype

Why would Jones, a guy who had his Olympic medal stolen in a hometown fix, go to fight Michalczewski in his adopted fight home of Germany, the country most notorious for hometown robberies?

Why didn't Dariusz come to the U.S.? He wouldn't have to fight in Pensacola or even Flordia.

 

[webeballin]

If Joe had anything on his punches he'd have won the fight on my card as I scored it 7-5, 115-112 for Nard.

Hopkins may not have put in as much work, but the work he did was more effective to me.

yep alot of hugging and clinching oh and the odd feigning of a groin strike is alot of work

 

[Ox Baker]

Lol roy jones yes because roy certainly was banging down the doors to fight the likes of Dariusz Michalczewski wasn't he?

Yeah. He offered Dariusz a fight in America. Michalczewski turned it down. He offered him a fight in England - a neutral country. Michalczewski turned it down. Given some of the crap that was going on in Germany at the time - remember Michalczewski-Hall I? - Jones was smart in not fighting there.

 

[BrooklynBomber]

Yeah. He offered Dariusz a fight in America. Michalczewski turned it down. He offered him a fight in England - a neutral country. Michalczewski turned it down. Given some of the crap that was going on in Germany at the time - remember Michalczewski-Hall I? - Jones was smart in not fighting there.

Anyone's smart not to fight the adopted hometown boy in Germany.

Especially when Jones had been robbed of an Olympic gold medal in an identical situation.

 

[5acrossYOeye]

im starting to really side on the argument of...you need to lose to determine how good you really are.

another thing that bothers me is what Kid McCoy( but about a different fighter) brought up a few months back...Cal needed to be in MORE fights (in his prime) vs an opponent (thats in their prime) where the fight was a pick em.

Thats my biggest complaint about Cal.

Him retiring doesn't bother me its the way he went about his prime years.

 

[IMAF#1]

I cant help but wonder what could of been if he didnt have so many problems with his hand.

 

[Ox Baker]

I cant help but wonder what could of been if he didnt have so many problems with his hand.

... and his balls.

 

[5acrossYOeye]

lol

 

[mschatz]

... and his balls.

:icon_lol:

 

[webeballin]

Why would Jones, a guy who had his Olympic medal stolen in a hometown fix, go to fight Michalczewski in his adopted fight home of Germany, the country most notorious for hometown robberies?

Why didn't Dariusz come to the U.S.? He wouldn't have to fight in Pensacola or even Flordia.

that's a two way street why would Michalczewski go to the states where as many of the most high profile robberries have occured

jones was offered alot of money yet he chose to fight the likes of richard frazier


A fight in germany would have drawn more than a fight in the states

 

[BrooklynBomber]

that's a two way street why would Michalczewski go to the states where as many of the most high profile robberries have occured

jones was offered alot of money yet he chose to fight the likes of richard frazier


A fight in germany would have drawn more than a fight in the states

Jones was never the benefactor of a hometown decision or officiating. Dariusz was, so there's no basis for your theory.

Dariusz's only meaningful win is over Virgil Hill.

With the beating he took from easy Jones victim Richard Hall you think Jones was scared of Dariusz? Thats dellusional.

 

[Coster]

There's quite a few talented guys at 168 and 175 who are looking to fight just about anyone. Froch called out Calzaghe for years and while I don't think he'd have beaten him he's showing balls Joe never did in trying to get name fights.

When Calzaghe was in the same position as Froch he was trying to fight Eubank and Steve Collins.... both were 'name fights'

 

[BrooklynBomber]

When Calzaghe was in the same position as Froch he was trying to fight Eubank and Steve Collins.... both were 'name fights'

Eubank was an old man and Collins wasn't very good even at his best. He was a punching bag who Benn couldn't out tough, and other than Benn lost to the best fighters he fought in McCallum, Kalambay, and Johnson.

 

[Coster]

Eubank was an old man and Collins wasn't very good even at his best. He was a punching bag who Benn couldn't out tough, and other than Benn lost to the best fighters he fought in McCallum, Kalambay, and Johnson.

I'm not disputing either claim (though Calzaghe is 5 years older now then Eubank was when they fought), I'm just saying they were also big name fighters which is a fact.....

& I'm not disputing Calzaghe went through a long period of fighting mediocre competition, because though not all his own fault he definitely has to harnass some of the blame.

 

[MC Paul Barman]

If Cal were to stay, fight and convincingly beat Dawson what would that do for you in regards to where you place him?
Those of you that aren't impressed.

 

[BrooklynBomber]

If Cal were to stay, fight and convincingly beat Dawson what would that do for you in regards to where you place him?
Those of you that aren't impressed.

It would make me believe he had a set of testicles and that he was a good bit better than where I think his current legacy has him.