Joe Calzaghe Announces Retirement

ncmmarookie said:
Yeah, he certainly was not put to sleep by Joe though.
Have you ever seen such a bs stoppage?
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I don't think that was as bad a stoppage as its made out to be. Manfredo is a can and its not like Calzaghe wasn't going to finish him there or in the next round.

It did smell of home cooking though, but I have seen worse.
 
Is joe's entire career defined by the fact that he beat Kessler! BH was a close fight and I thought that was also an important bout. But not to give BH a re-match is a mistake. I reckon BH might of taken him. I am a Joe fan but disappointed that he never fought really good opposition in their prime. Kessler maybe ? You are after all judged by the opposition you fight.

On the other hand credit to British boxer Hatton for taking on Floyd, despite that he lost. Joe would never take the same kind of risk. JMHO
 
I will not re-watch any of his fights 10 years from now.
 
mschatz said:
Agreed with Coster. While Dawson is a legit thread to beating Cal, he really doesn't have the name or the resume to demand a fight with Cal. That's why I said that I don't see many big fights that can be made for Joe in the near-future. This is as good a time as any to get out.
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Sorry, but if this isn't a good enough resume, what is:
  • WBC World Light Heavyweight Champion
  • IBF World Light Heavyweight Champion
  • Undefeated at 27-0-0
  • Beat Thomasz Adameck
  • Beat Glencoffe Johnson
  • Beat Antonio Tarver
  • Beat Eric Harding
  • 4-0 against World Heavyweight Champions
  • 2-0 against two-time World Heavyweight Champions
Basically, Calzaghe's continuing his tradition of not fighting the toughest fighters. The only reason he'll make it into the IBHOF is that he's British.
 
BrooklynBomber said:
I don't think that was as bad a stoppage as its made out to be. Manfredo is a can and its not like Calzaghe wasn't going to finish him there or in the next round.

It did smell of home cooking though, but I have seen worse.
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Well I have not seen many UK fights so I guess that could be a stoppage there.

At MSG or in Vegas the fans would maul the referee over that stoppage.
 
ncmmarookie said:
Well I have not seen many UK fights so I guess that could be a stoppage there.

At MSG or in Vegas the fans would maul the referee over that stoppage.
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Only if it was someone they bet on, or were cheering for. Maybe in Rhode Island or something.
 
Ox Baker said:
Sorry, but if this isn't a good enough resume, what is:
  • WBC World Light Heavyweight Champion
  • IBF World Light Heavyweight Champion
  • Undefeated at 27-0-0
  • Beat Thomasz Adameck
  • Beat Glencoffe Johnson
  • Beat Antonio Tarver
  • Beat Eric Harding
  • 4-0 against World Heavyweight Champions
  • 2-0 against two-time World Heavyweight Champions
Basically, Calzaghe's continuing his tradition of not fighting the toughest fighters. The only reason he'll make it into the IBHOF is that he's British.
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That does look good when you put it up like that. However, If you want to talk about fighting guys who are over the hill, Tarver qualifies. Johnson arguably deserved a draw. Props on beating Adameck.

More than anything, I just don't think Dawson has the name power to have the public DEMAND a fight with Calzaghe. As others have mentioned, there will always be an up and coming guy who is a legit threat to the champion. One thing for sure, Lacy was more feared before the Cal fight than Dawson is now.

Again, I'm not defending Joe...I do think his hand-picking of fighters was disgraceful, but not fighting Dawson is a lesser offense to me than not fighting the top guys 4-6 years ago.
 
mschatz said:
That does look good when you put it up like that. However, If you want to talk about fighting guys who are over the hill, Tarver qualifies. Johnson arguably deserved a draw. Props on beating Adameck.

More than anything, I just don't think Dawson has the name power to have the public DEMAND a fight with Calzaghe. As others have mentioned, there will always be an up and coming guy who is a legit threat to the champion. One thing for sure, Lacy was more feared before the Cal fight than Dawson is now.

Again, I'm not defending Joe...I do think his hand-picking of fighters was disgraceful, but not fighting Dawson is a lesser offense to me than not fighting the top guys 4-6 years ago.
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Exactly, however Bute does have a large following as Canada does not have much else going on in boxing.
 
I'm glad he's gone. He never would have fought the best guys at 175. At least with Dawson around (who's better than Calzaghe, anyway), we might have a real man heading the division.
 
Ox Baker said:
I'm glad he's gone. He never would have fought the best guys at 175. At least with Dawson around (who's better than Calzaghe, anyway), we might have a real man heading the division.
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There's quite a few talented guys at 168 and 175 who are looking to fight just about anyone. Froch called out Calzaghe for years and while I don't think he'd have beaten him he's showing balls Joe never did in trying to get name fights.
 
Name power is really the only reason Calzaghe never fought Dawson. I really don't think Joe was ducking him. He just didn't see any reason to risk his 0 in a fight where he wasn't going to make more than half what he did for pounding on RJJ's shell. Dawson has done all you can do to earn it, really. I suppose you could argue that he should rematch Glen (even though I thought Chad won that fight) but that's the only thing you can say about his resume.

As a fight fan, it's disappointing, but it's totally understandable from his point of view.
 
LeafHawk said:
Name power is really the only reason Calzaghe never fought Dawson. I really don't think Joe was ducking him. He just didn't see any reason to risk his 0 in a fight where he wasn't going to make more than half what he did for pounding on RJJ's shell. Dawson has done all you can do to earn it, really. I suppose you could argue that he should rematch Glen (even though I thought Chad won that fight) but that's the only thing you can say about his resume.

As a fight fan, it's disappointing, but it's totally understandable from his point of view.
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See, that's the difference between Calzaghe and Roy Jones, Jr. See, Jones would've done his damnest to fight Dawson were he the top light heavyweight in the division today.
 
BrooklynBomber said:
He beat over the hill versions of Eubank, Reid, Hopkins(which is clearly debatable), and Roy Jones.

Guys he beat at their best outside of Kessler? Jeff Lacy, Omar Sheika, Byron Mitchell, Charles Brewer.

Not exactly murderer's row.
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Im not saying his record is made up of great wins but their certainly solid wins


Mitchell? sheika? lacy? Brewer? why did you only mention american boxers there

no mention of veit who he stopped twice and I regard veit alot higher than those mentioned


robin reid? how was he over the hill? he was two years older than calzaghe and in his prime


his victory against reid is alot more arguable than hopkins

reid was the closest anyone has come to beating calzaghe as pro


hopkins was desperate against calzaghe and this was clearly shown.He had no answer to calzaghe's workrate he's too slow
 
webeballin said:
Im not saying his record is made up of great wins but their certainly solid wins


Mitchell? sheika? lacy? Brewer? why did you only mention american boxers there

no mention of veit who he stopped twice and I regard veit alot higher than those mentioned


robin reid? how was he over the hill? he was two years older than calzaghe and in his prime


his victory against reid is alot more arguable than hopkins

reid was the closest anyone has come to beating calzaghe as pro


hopkins was desperate against calzaghe and this was clearly shown.He had no answer to calzaghe's workrate he's too slow
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Veit was a chinny nobody who's only known for getting beaten up by Joe twice.

Reid had been through some wars to that point and wasn't the same guy he was when he was a titlist. The fact that he almost beat Joe speaks volumes.

Hopkins was far from desperate. He was just under the impression that hard right hand counters mattered more than pitty pat flurries that sacrificed power for flashiness and that the judges would score correctly.
 
Ox Baker said:
See, that's the difference between Calzaghe and Roy Jones, Jr. See, Jones would've done his damnest to fight Dawson were he the top light heavyweight in the division today.
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Yeah that the difference between Joe Calzaghe and a lot of guys.
I completely understand why he would retire at this point, but its still pisses me off. He stayed in Europe without fighting elite opponents for years, after a couple of decent defenses of his long held title he moves up to LHW, fights two old men, and retires. Glad he can retire with his money and his faculties, but his legacy is going to suffer.
 
Oh I forget about Mitchell.
That is Joe's prize KO.

That was the most devastating forearm push/trip I have ever seen.
 
Have to disagree with you on the Hopkins/Cal fight, Brooklyn. I was rooting for Hopkins, but there is no way he was doing enough.

Yes, he would land a decent right hand once or twice a round, but these werent such devastating blows that they completely negate the work Joe was putting in all round.

The volume and work rate that Hopkins used against Pavlik would have got him the W against Joe, but he was nowhere close to that.
 
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