JLaw helping lead effort to doxx all Cville supremacists

[thechoice2]

So it is fine to racially discriminate now? Great I will start tomorrow.

smh @ waiting for societal approval to do what you want. If you wanna racially discriminate, don't wait for others to tell you it's ok, be a thermostat not a thermometer!

 

[Rational Poster]

I'd be interested in seeing examples so we can all disavow the assholes who jumped the gun.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...sh-woman-sues-troll-storm-neo-nazi-harassment

A Jewish woman in Montana who was the target of weeks of harassment by neo-Nazi internet trolls is suing the instigator of the “troll storm”, asking for damages after receiving more than 700 threatening phone calls, voicemails, emails and other messages.

The attacks on Tanya Gersh and her family made international headlines after Andrew Anglin, who runs a neo-Nazi website, promised to stage an armed antisemitic march through the streets of Whitefish, a remote Montana town where Richard Spencer, America’s most prominent white nationalist, sometimes lives.

 

[Madmick]

That is entirely correct. However, I try to avoid lumping them together.

Fro every racist piece of shit in the right, there are several right wingers who look upon them with the same contempt that we do but don't say shit about it because they need their votes.

It's an age old question: Who is worst the racist prick or the guy who allies with the racist prick out of personal convenience?

You can levy that same allegation at leftists and antifa.

It's not fair to judge either party by its lowest common denominator.

 

[Burning Hammer]

I think there are far more sympathizers with white nationalist ideology on the Right than there are Antifa sympathizers on the left.

Just look at all the defense and deflection going on in this subforum.

We're full to the brim with coward internet Nazis.

Impossible, people are in an uproar over Trump not only condemning Nazi's.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

LOL, wut?

It's actually pretty common man. Most protest organizers are the "take a bullet to prove they kill" "turn the other cheek" variety. ABB and AFA aren't usually wanted as the majority of leftists believe peaceful protest is far more important and violent protest hurts the movement.

AFA got attacked a few times during OWS I believe. Even radical left wing Anti-Flag sang about how important it is to stay peaceful to not water down the cause.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

There are Klan laws on the books in many states prohibiting wearing masks at political assemblies. I'm not sure, but I'm guessing Virginia has such laws. If so, why isn't it enforced in the case of the masked Antifa types?

Either way, all this will do is lead to masks for both sides.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

I think there are far more sympathizers with white nationalist ideology on the Right than there are Antifa sympathizers on the left.

Just look at all the defense and deflection going on in this subforum.

We're full to the brim with coward internet Nazis.

I think your belief in that precedes the evidencet and then everything you see supports it. Classic case of the old confirmation bias. In this case I've seen an awful lot of right wingers bending over backwards to condemn neo-Nazis and the Klan. I haven't seen many leftists doing the same toward violent left extremists.

Believe me when I say that it is exactly how many on the right looks at the left, as being sympathizers with violent racist identity politics, and they confirm this by the left's constant defense of groups like BLM and Antifa.

 

[Rational Poster]

Impossible, people are in an uproar over Trump not only condemning Nazi's.

People are in an uproar because he's playing this false equivalency bullshit game when now isn't the time.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

People are in an uproar because he's playing this false equivalency bullshit game when now isn't the time.

What part of all sides don't you understand, maaaaaaan.

Yah, this President is amazing. Consider what he freely condemns without a script, off the cuff.
Yet he can't condemn this or Russia.

 

[Rational Poster]

I think your belief in that precedes the evidencet and then everything you see supports it. Classic case of the old confirmation bias. In this case I've seen an awful lot of right wingers bending over backwards to condemn neo-Nazis and the Klan. I haven't seen many leftists doing the same toward violent left extremists.

Believe me when I say that it is exactly how many on the right looks at the left, as being sympathizers with violent racist identity politics, and they confirm this by the left's constant defense of groups like BLM and Antifa.

This is just pretty disingenuous, for you especially.

I keep hearing this on here, over and over. No one condemns Antifa/BLM.. or even more oddly that people defend them.

As far as I can tell, every past case of violence has been correctly and accurately reported and attributed to whichever group committed the act. There have been condemnations of violence at every single rally from people on the left and the right. I haven't seen anyone on this forum stick up for Antifa or BLM. I haven't seen anyone of any repute cheering on the violence from these groups.

For that matter, the false equivalency game going on between Antifa and BLM, let alone Antifa/BLM and nationalist/supremacist groups, just isn't fair at all. Antifa are the typical anarcho-punks, anti-establishment types that have been around for decades being violent, but rarely if ever do they escalate beyond regular street violence. They're misguided kids disenfranchised with the system.. and while I don't think there is a person here that agrees with their methods, their intentions are certainly more honorable than racial or nationalist supremacy.

BLM by all accounts have been protesting peacefully at these events, and in fact they have come to the defense of others who are being attacked by Antifa and Nationalists/supremacists. They also don't wear masks. They're protesting for the perceived injustices the black community has faced over the decades and I doubt there are many people in the country that disagree with that position, probably not even you. I can see the comparisons between Antifa and Alt-Right/Nationalists to some degree, but it just a smear tactic to include BLM in that discussion. I never see BLM members clubbing folks like Antifa or Nationalists. It's racist propaganda to smear them like this. I don't even see them armed with more than signs and banners.

It just doesn't make sense that people want to draw false equivalency between these groups with very different intentions and methods.

 

[Lucifer Alpha]

Dumb broad.

 

[fallable]

Well, all hollywood is at the end of the day is a left wing propaganda industry designed to influence society, lead people toward a left-wing culture, and make the participants involved billions of dollars in the process. So I'm not surprised some hacktress is joining ranks with antifa.

Although, I do have to say, with how successful hollywood types were influencing the 2016 election, if I was at that rally I'd be shaking in my boots.

 

[DannyNL]

Ummm if you choose to go out in a public place and proudly flaunt your views for the world to see, you can't get mad when someone identifies you.

If you want to be a secret Nazi, maybe you should wear a mask or better yet just stay in your mom's basement.

 

[JadeOwl]

You can levy that same allegation at leftists and antifa.

It's not fair to judge either party by its lowest common denominator.

Except when one party relies entirely on its lower common denominator to get elected. For the past 8 1/2 years I've seen the the conservatives in the US lower themselves to the level of their most repugnant members to a degree that is mind-boggling.

If at least the NeverTrump contingent had been willing follow through as a group, I could respect them.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Communism is the biggest evil mankind has put on this planet in the last 200 years. It is responsible for more murders than anything else.

ANTIFA is straight up coward fascists.


Yeah. they should all be ashamed.

The question, once again, is: who is stopping you from outing them?

Go ahead, take pictures of rallies, of anyone wearing red or a Che shirt and start a Twitter campaign. Tell their employers!

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

This is just pretty disingenuous, for you especially.

I keep hearing this on here, over and over. No one condemns Antifa/BLM.. or even more oddly that people defend them.

As far as I can tell, every past case of violence has been correctly and accurately reported and attributed to whichever group committed the act. There have been condemnations of violence at every single rally from people on the left and the right. I haven't seen anyone on this forum stick up for Antifa or BLM. I haven't seen anyone of any repute cheering on the violence from these groups.

For that matter, the false equivalency game going on between Antifa and BLM, let alone Antifa/BLM and nationalist/supremacist groups, just isn't fair at all. Antifa are the typical anarcho-punks, anti-establishment types that have been around for decades being violent, but rarely if ever do they escalate beyond regular street violence. They're misguided kids disenfranchised with the system.. and while I don't think there is a person here that agrees with their methods, their intentions are certainly more honorable than racial or nationalist supremacy.

BLM by all accounts have been protesting peacefully at these events, and in fact they have come to the defense of others who are being attacked by Antifa and Nationalists/supremacists. They also don't wear masks. They're protesting for the perceived injustices the black community has faced over the decades and I doubt there are many people in the country that disagree with that position, probably not even you. I can see the comparisons between Antifa and Alt-Right/Nationalists to some degree, but it just a smear tactic to include BLM in that discussion. I never see BLM members clubbing folks like Antifa or Nationalists. It's racist propaganda to smear them like this. I don't even see them armed with more than signs and banners.

It just doesn't make sense that people want to draw false equivalency between these groups with very different intentions and methods.

1. It's not disingenuous at all, particularly because you yourself in this defense decry their low level violence but equivocate about their intentions. Imagine being a conservative, where the intentions of Antifa seems to be to silence mainstream political opinions which you might hold, by violence. And they have succeeded in shutting down conservative speech and chasing it off of college campuses, which ought to be the most appropriate place for free exchange of ideas.

Far from being anti-fascists, they are obviously fascistic themselves.

2. As far as BLM goes, I do think this is a more complicated case, because a lot of what BLM has done is address valid complaints of the black community in the US. But they've (or at least a subset) also encouraged a good deal of racial identity politics which can be very ugly indeed and explicitly advocated violence which was then acted upon by activists associated with their group, in several cases through assassinations of law enforcement officers. Haven't you watched the speech given by a BLM activist in Milwaukee in which she pleaded with BLM members to stop burning down black business and neighborhoods (thus acknowledging the violence and rioting so well associated with the movement)? CNN showed that part of the speech, but edited out her conclusion, "So go down to the white suburbs and burn their shit down." It was an explicit incitement to violence predicate on race.

Are you ignorant that this happened?

You don't have to throw the baby out with the bath water, but pretending that there isn't a very dysfunctional and violent side to the BLM movement is to deny the reality for political reasons.

3. I honestly haven't seen a lot of leftists disavowing Antifa, either in personal conversations or in the media, and when they do back down a bit and say maybe they shouldn't be hitting people in the face with bike chains, they always add that their heart is in the right place. Fuck that. Their hearts aren't in the right place, and their intentions aren't good or healthy.

Perhaps this is an example of the bias that affects us all, and I simply don't focus enough leftist disavowals of Antifa. I'm open to that. If you could point out a few of the more vehement examples that could help me readjust my view.

 

[Burning Hammer]

People are in an uproar because he's playing this false equivalency bullshit game when now isn't the time.

Socialism's end game is communism. Nazi's are National Socialists.

Pretty fucking similar.

 

[Rational Poster]

Socialism's end game is communism. Nazi's are National Socialists.

Pretty fucking similar.

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[BForrester]

I'm sure its been pointed out, But its in the Constitution that you cannot be fired from a job for political beliefs.
So if they did get rid of that guy from cooking hot dogs then he stands to make a shit load of money in lawsuits, the same with anyone else falling victim to this 'doxxing' spree.

If all the Right are Nazi's then it follows suit that all the Left are Communists? Stalin or Hitler is a great choice to make, which is generally why most people stay in the center.

Yes you can. Perhaps you forget your history. What do you think happened in the 50s with McCarthyism?

 

[Burning Hammer]

Yes you can. Perhaps you forget your history. What do you think happened in the 50s with McCarthyism?

Seeing how dumb people are today, I damn near support McCarthyism because people really believe that Socialism and Communism are net good.

However I am strongly against it because, well, it's pro hiding information.