JJ was the goat (IMO) and a true competitor

He is the best ever so is Barry bonds. Barry bonds is better then babe ruth and Willie and hank and Ted Williams. I will never rank him above those guys though because he cheated for years. That does matter steroids are cheating and illegal too. That last part is dumb but it is what it is. You can't cheat and be the best its not how it works.
 
My friend, no, just no. The only good wrestlers that GSP faced were Hughes, Koscheck and Fitch. And Koschek wasn't even that good TBH.
Shields? Hendricks? Koscheck got the better of Hendricks in their wrestling exchanges, holds 2 D1 championships, he's a better wrestler than you're giving him credit for,
we're not talking about p4p, we're talking about level of competition. And fact of the matter is that Jones faced opponents who reached a higher level in the sport than GSPs.
Level of competition = how good your opponents are, no? Aspinall would be a much better win than current Stipe despite the latter having "reached a higher level in the sport".
Aside from Hughes and Hendricks, GSP mostly faced mid teir and contender level WWs
Unfair assessment imo, many GSP opponents have been or beaten UFC champions.
  • Hendricks: WW champ
  • 2x Hughes: WW champ, 9 title wins
  • 2x BJ Penn: WW champ + LW champ
  • Condit: Interim WW champ + arguably beat Lawler for undisputed
  • Shields: SF WW champ, has beaten Lawler/Woodley/Henderson/Condit
  • Diaz: SF WW champ, 2 wins vs UFC champs in Penn/Lawler
  • 2x Koscheck: 50/50 fight with UFC champ Hendricks
PS: Jones only has 1 win against Cormier
 
It seems the fight was yesterday, in a closed, more provate event/setting. I think it was part of the negotiations. And it will be broadcast later it seems. But it seems like it was as close as it could be. Like, from what I could gather, Tom almost KO'd JJ in round 1, as he surprised JJ with a set up and had him on the ropes, and landed a knee that hit JJ's ribs. In MMA media, it was noticed JJ's corner was saying for him to move and get his rythm... JJ managed to tough it with his well known toughness and get effective jabs until he could clinch and did so long enough to wear the storm while landing knees to the thights. tho Tom was throwing hands in the clinch too. JJ got a late round 1 takedown. But Tom managed to get up and get JJ's back as bloody elbow reported as some analysts there mentioned, like Bisping, showing Tom's wrestling is very high level. Though JJ managed to escape with high level grappling and finish on top but didn't do more other than it. Seemed a decisive round 1 for Tom. Some ppl on Reddit report that they thought JJ would fall after a knee Tom landed on his ribs but he actually circled the octagon and kept calm working on long range jabs.

Round 2, JJ picked the pace, and eventually got a takedown [guardian]. But Tom showed good defense and prevented meaningful shots, threatening JJ sometimes with jiujitsu, but JJ got that one on grappling edge though he didn't damage much.

Round 3 it's said that felt even, with Aspinall dangerous in the feet, and having more volume. But since his stamina was dropping a little quicker, JJ controlled the range way better and also picked his shots with front kicks and his famous knee kicks that hit Tom's knee well enough at one point that Tom's leg was pretty hurt, though he still managed to close quick enough and land a one two that rocked JJ a good deal, but JJ hit back with a timed spinning elbow, tho Tom defended mostly . It was a good round but Tom got more done by the reports and was 2-1

Round 4 it's described as Aspinall being more fatigued and JJ being likely 2-1 and then rushing more to pressure. It's noticed Tom tried to rush once but JJ had a glazing elbow thriwn vertically that drew enough a reaction that JJ had time to secure a takedown. And then, in the final minutes, in MMA media it is reported jones landed vicious elbows, almost getting the round stopped as Herb Dean was checking close (some fans on Reddit said that). So it was a dominant round for JJ apparently (as been reported some places), lile the first round was very Tom only with him almost finishing JJ before JJ could jab quick enough to get a clinch and then even chain wrestle chain, with clinches, to recover and drain Aspinall.

Tom managed to survive the 4th round. The Bloody_Eobow noticed that specialists there were talking about how it remembered the Gus 1 fight but in this one both seemed more hurt and the fact it was a closer peace, just the sound of the shots was uncomfortable and could be heard.

The last round is left ambiguous. The fight was 2-2 and it seems there was not revealed stuff there. Some say JJ managed to keep standing well enough as Aspinall was hurt but so was JJ I guess, and both needed the 5th round. It seems like both pushed on the gas pedal but JJ managed to get another takedown and it finished (no further specifications on the sites). Either in a decision, a hard won, or maybe as some also say, JJ got a late 5th round finish similar to Gus 2 as Aspinall turned his back and JJ started to punch punch until it got stopped. Other day he finished by choke and that Aspinall felt unconscious as he didn't tap. Some comments point at a controversy tho, as in, arguing who won such round, so maybe round 5 was even still, and JJ got slightly ahead but it was close. Still, it seems there are more poste saying round 5 TKO but some say it was a round Aspinall seemed to be winning as he had an impact moment he managed to feint well enough to wobble JJ, but JJ in a high pressure instance seemed to feint a takedown and land a hard overhand and secure a takedown and late finish or split decision. Anyways I think it was a close fight with Tom starting way better , JJ managing to adjust and get the same level and taking control in the later rounds... As some fans were also saying that it was like vs Reyes, so.....


I think before the fight Khabib recorded a video in which he said that "two extreme high level fighters will be fighting, and people need to pay attention. It can end quickly or it can be a tough grueling fight. In one side, we have one of the greatest ever, who competed with a lot of willpower, top MMA knowledge and fought with as much heart as anyone could, the other side has a very talented , dangerous and very challenging younger fight. That fight no matter if he wins or not, he is a legend". After the fight, Khabib posted a picture of Muhammad Ali... Idk, I guess comparing him to JJ.


But it can't be said yet. But it seems it happened already.
 
Shields? Hendricks? Koscheck got the better of Hendricks in their wrestling exchanges, holds 2 D1 championships, he's a better wrestler than you're giving him credit for,

Level of competition = how good your opponents are, no? Aspinall would be a much better win than current Stipe despite the latter having "reached a higher level in the sport".

Unfair assessment imo, many GSP opponents have been or beaten UFC champions.
  • Hendricks: WW champ
  • 2x Hughes: WW champ, 9 title wins
  • 2x BJ Penn: WW champ + LW champ
  • Condit: Interim WW champ + arguably beat Lawler for undisputed
  • Shields: SF WW champ, has beaten Lawler/Woodley/Henderson/Condit
  • Diaz: SF WW champ, 2 wins vs UFC champs in Penn/Lawler
  • 2x Koscheck: 50/50 fight with UFC champ Hendricks
PS: Jones only has 1 win against Cormier

Well thank you very much for proving exactly my point, appreciate it. That GSP faced, a few champs and mostly contender level guys at WW. While his competition is very good and among the best there is, its still not as high as Jones. You can list their accomplishments, but Jones' wins were just better.
 
The best there is
The best there was
The best there ever will be

God bless

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no memes of him getting kod or strangled
the best and hardest resume

205lbs has around half the depth by roster signing of 155lbs. You cannot have 'the best and hardest' resume in that division. The fact that a washed up Shogun was champion when Jon got the title should underline it.


wether you agree or not facts doesnt care about a fanboys opinion or feelings
his resume is lightyears above anyone else
anyones resume would look trash besides jones

He tested positive for 5 separate PEDS.

... five.
 
205lbs has around half the depth by roster signing of 155lbs. You cannot have 'the best and hardest' resume in that division. The fact that a washed up Shogun was champion when Jon got the title should underline it.




He tested positive for 5 separate PEDS.

... five.
Why was Shogun washed? He wasn't even 30 when JJ fought him, was he? Or he was at least in his early 30s. Likely 30 at maximum. That's not washed lol.

Yeah and Shogun defeated very big names when you look at it. The fact you think he was washed up means nothing, it means a new era came in. Jon Jones took over and dominated an old era that were composed of all strong fighters who were always rivals among each other and seemed the main strongest force. Their ages were all early 30s on average. That's not washed up unless JJ was washed up at 30 yo...

Then you had fighters from a new era like Gustafsson, DC, Anthony Rumble.... Who were all elite fighters from that era. Gustafsson was a monster, same age as JJ, had the still considered best championship belt fight of all times vs JJ. DC couldn't defeat JJ, only fighter who he never beat.

Then JJ went through a new era. Anthony Smith, Santos and Reyes. They ended up falling, but JJ fought them all when they were on big wins streak (Reyes was undefeated). After a loss, they just couldn't keep the same motivation. It's telling how much Gus fell after the second loss to JJ, losing to Smith. Santos had his knee ruined, so he just couldn't fight the same anymore. Only one who lost and then due to losing to the one he thought it was his destiny to beat, Reyes, had a hard time recovering mentally, was Reyes, who is now on a 3 wins streak.

Glover also lost to JJ when Glover was in a 17 wins streak. Glover went on to beat Jan Blackowski later on and gave Jiri the hardest fight of his life... Gane was a very sharp striker, who moved very quickly for HW, who had shown grappling skills by finishing some HWs by submission... And was done in round 1. Some fighters even referred to Gane back then as a HW version of JJ, as he had a very good and creative striking.

Stipe was a legend who was a 6x world champion and who himself said was readier vs JJ than he was in many fights before, that the time off and the nature of the fight made him have a good camp and a dedication that to him was his last hooray.

If JJ beats Tom... He'd be basically breaking through the 4th generation, defending his belt 13x, all while winning 18 championship fights.... Do you know how difficult it is to keep on top? And then for more than 10 years, going through generations of fighters? He's already goat anyways but defeating Tom would make it I think 100% undeniable for most fans. It'd be basically a consensus...

Anyways, almost all fighters whom speak of best of all, out JJ as the one or as one of the top 3. GSP said more than once that JJ is the GOAT. Khabib, ever since JJ beat Gane, put a list himself in which he specified JJ and Fedor tied as #1 as best of all times. Mainly some fans who disagree with that. Analysts, fighters... All of them put JJ as the GOAT or at least as one of the best (in those cases they don't specify an order) ...
 
And now he is ruining his legacy by shamelessly ducking Aspinall.

LEGACY - Start at 1:30 in, after cops hadda stop him further beating kid's mother bloody.




Play that card Pico, smdh.​
 
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It seems the fight was yesterday, in a closed, more provate event/setting. I think it was part of the negotiations. And it will be broadcast later it seems. But it seems like it was as close as it could be. Like, from what I could gather, Tom almost KO'd JJ in round 1, as he surprised JJ with a set up and had him on the ropes, and landed a knee that hit JJ's ribs. In MMA media, it was noticed JJ's corner was saying for him to move and get his rythm... JJ managed to tough it with his well known toughness and get effective jabs until he could clinch and did so long enough to wear the storm while landing knees to the thights. tho Tom was throwing hands in the clinch too. JJ got a late round 1 takedown. But Tom managed to get up and get JJ's back as bloody elbow reported as some analysts there mentioned, like Bisping, showing Tom's wrestling is very high level. Though JJ managed to escape with high level grappling and finish on top but didn't do more other than it. Seemed a decisive round 1 for Tom. Some ppl on Reddit report that they thought JJ would fall after a knee Tom landed on his ribs but he actually circled the octagon and kept calm working on long range jabs.

Round 2, JJ picked the pace, and eventually got a takedown [guardian]. But Tom showed good defense and prevented meaningful shots, threatening JJ sometimes with jiujitsu, but JJ got that one on grappling edge though he didn't damage much.

Round 3 it's said that felt even, with Aspinall dangerous in the feet, and having more volume. But since his stamina was dropping a little quicker, JJ controlled the range way better and also picked his shots with front kicks and his famous knee kicks that hit Tom's knee well enough at one point that Tom's leg was pretty hurt, though he still managed to close quick enough and land a one two that rocked JJ a good deal, but JJ hit back with a timed spinning elbow, tho Tom defended mostly . It was a good round but Tom got more done by the reports and was 2-1

Round 4 it's described as Aspinall being more fatigued and JJ being likely 2-1 and then rushing more to pressure. It's noticed Tom tried to rush once but JJ had a glazing elbow thriwn vertically that drew enough a reaction that JJ had time to secure a takedown. And then, in the final minutes, in MMA media it is reported jones landed vicious elbows, almost getting the round stopped as Herb Dean was checking close (some fans on Reddit said that). So it was a dominant round for JJ apparently (as been reported some places), lile the first round was very Tom only with him almost finishing JJ before JJ could jab quick enough to get a clinch and then even chain wrestle chain, with clinches, to recover and drain Aspinall.

Tom managed to survive the 4th round. The Bloody_Eobow noticed that specialists there were talking about how it remembered the Gus 1 fight but in this one both seemed more hurt and the fact it was a closer peace, just the sound of the shots was uncomfortable and could be heard.

The last round is left ambiguous. The fight was 2-2 and it seems there was not revealed stuff there. Some say JJ managed to keep standing well enough as Aspinall was hurt but so was JJ I guess, and both needed the 5th round. It seems like both pushed on the gas pedal but JJ managed to get another takedown and it finished (no further specifications on the sites). Either in a decision, a hard won, or maybe as some also say, JJ got a late 5th round finish similar to Gus 2 as Aspinall turned his back and JJ started to punch punch until it got stopped. Other day he finished by choke and that Aspinall felt unconscious as he didn't tap. Some comments point at a controversy tho, as in, arguing who won such round, so maybe round 5 was even still, and JJ got slightly ahead but it was close. Still, it seems there are more poste saying round 5 TKO but some say it was a round Aspinall seemed to be winning as he had an impact moment he managed to feint well enough to wobble JJ, but JJ in a high pressure instance seemed to feint a takedown and land a hard overhand and secure a takedown and late finish or split decision. Anyways I think it was a close fight with Tom starting way better , JJ managing to adjust and get the same level and taking control in the later rounds... As some fans were also saying that it was like vs Reyes, so.....


I think before the fight Khabib recorded a video in which he said that "two extreme high level fighters will be fighting, and people need to pay attention. It can end quickly or it can be a tough grueling fight. In one side, we have one of the greatest ever, who competed with a lot of willpower, top MMA knowledge and fought with as much heart as anyone could, the other side has a very talented , dangerous and very challenging younger fight. That fight no matter if he wins or not, he is a legend". After the fight, Khabib posted a picture of Muhammad Ali... Idk, I guess comparing him to JJ.


But it can't be said yet. But it seems it happened already.

What. The. Actual. Fuck.

"Get help" is arguably the most overused phrase on this forum so I avoid using it. But in this case...bro...whoah.
😬😬😬
 
What. The. Actual. Fuck.

"Get help" is arguably the most overused phrase on this forum so I avoid using it. But in this case...bro...whoah.
😬😬😬
Well, I shouldn't have posted that. Well, I guess I can't spoil it, so I'll need to be broadcast later. But yeah, that's how it will go if you want to know, though the fight footage is not yet available. Why would they choose to have it like this, idk. But....
 
GSP's opposition was far better?? Like Sensei Seagal said in an interview, "Can I laugh in your face"

Jones competition far exceeds GSPs. And no knock on GSPs comp, he beat elite fighters. But he also beat a lot of guys that were overrated. Jon beat many champions and the best of the best. He had a few guys in there like Santos, Smith, OSP and Reyes, but that was after beating pretty much every top LHW of all time.

Jon's resume exceeds everyone's easily.
So the guys GSP beat were overrated based off of nothing but your opinion but none of Jones' opponents were?
 
Well, I shouldn't have posted that. Well, I guess I can't spoil it, so I'll need to be broadcast later. But yeah, that's how it will go if you want to know, though the fight footage is not yet available. Why would they choose to have it like this, idk. But....

I'm praying for those that know you irl that you're trying to make some sort of joke with that. Nobody understands what the joke is, but the alternative is that you're actually losing your mind. Which isn't cool.
 
@Ares Black

Can you decipher what the hell @Luffy is doing with that bizarre post about some "private fight that already happened" between Jones and Aspinall? Is it some weird joke that I'm not getting?
 
@Ares Black

Can you decipher what the hell @Luffy is doing with that bizarre post about some "private fight that already happened" between Jones and Aspinall? Is it some weird joke that I'm not getting?
I've given up. I'm assuming he's on drugs or otherwise impaired TBH.
 
Dude's tough as fuck with a high fight IQ. Even Khabib placed Jones in a tie with Fedor for pound for pound GOAT.
 
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