Crime Jan 6th

[oldshadow]

It was a riot and they should face the same consequences as other rioters faced. They just came up on the short end as far as shoes and TVs go.

 

[Andy Capp]

They still don't know who planted those bombs.... And they were planted the night before

After 4 years.... actually, they probably know but want to reveal it

Seems to me it's pretty likely the same Proud Boys who led the attack against the Capitol.

 

[Confucamus]

I never said he made those statements exactly, I'm saying that's the implication of his statements that he will pardon the Jan 6th insurrectionists and go after the Jan 6th committee

So the answer is no, he didn't say that. That's just how you're choosing to interpret it as I figured.

Yes and?

The level of accountability for the events is not equal.

 

[Islam Imamate]

So the answer is no, he didn't say that. That's just how you're choosing to interpret it as I figured.

Uh yeah? I never claimed he said those words exactly, in fact this was my post

Trump thinks any consequences for Jan 6th are unjust because those are his people.

which I don't think can be read as my ascribing those exact words to him.

The level of accountability for the events is not equal.

And what are you basing that on exactly?

 

[fedoriswar37]

Whats the liberal equivalent of a bunch of fat rednecks being set up and walked into the capital like a trap?

Trannys being bribed with neverending attention ?

 

[Confucamus]

Uh yeah? I never claimed he said those words exactly, in fact this was my post

which I don't think can be read as my ascribing those exact words to him.

Yes it can, when you're presenting what you imagine Trump thinks as fact. All I asked was for a source, and that turned out to be your opinion only.

And what are you basing that on exactly?

Already discussed.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Yes it can, when you're presenting what you imagine Trump thinks as fact. All I asked was for a source, and that turned out to be your opinion only.

Uh sure.

Already discussed.

The state charges being dropped? How is that relevant? What charges were dropped that you think shouldn't have been in regards to BLM rioters? What charges against Jan 6th rioters were levied that you thought were inappropriate?

 

[ShadowRun]

They don't actually believe any of this shit.

They'll say anything to feel like they won the argument.

I know it’s a talking point .” Our fragile democracy orange man bad reeeeeeeee”

 

[Andy Capp]

Uh yeah? I never claimed he said those words exactly, in fact this was my post

which I don't think can be read as my ascribing those exact words to him.

And what are you basing that on exactly?

You gave up rather too easily on your position.

Yes it can, when you're presenting what you imagine Trump thinks as fact. All I asked was for a source, and that turned out to be your opinion only.


Already discussed.

Donald Trump says again he would 'absolutely' pardon Jan. 6 rioters

Trump, who faces criminal charges for his actions in the lead-up to the attack on the U.S. Capitol, said Jan. 6 defendants were "convicted by a very tough system."

www.nbcnews.com

"July 31, 2024, 7:32 PM ADT / Updated July 31, 2024, 7:55 PM ADT
By Ryan J. Reilly
WASHINGTON — Former President Donald Trump said once again Wednesday that he would pardon Jan. 6 rioters if he wins the election, repeatedly lying about what happened during the violent attack on the U.S. Capitol, which injured more than 140 police officers."

Note the date.

 

[Islam Imamate]

You gave up rather too easily on your position.

Donald Trump says again he would 'absolutely' pardon Jan. 6 rioters

Trump, who faces criminal charges for his actions in the lead-up to the attack on the U.S. Capitol, said Jan. 6 defendants were "convicted by a very tough system."

www.nbcnews.com

"July 31, 2024, 7:32 PM ADT / Updated July 31, 2024, 7:55 PM ADT
By Ryan J. Reilly
WASHINGTON — Former President Donald Trump said once again Wednesday that he would pardon Jan. 6 rioters if he wins the election, repeatedly lying about what happened during the violent attack on the U.S. Capitol, which injured more than 140 police officers."

Note the date.

Oh he's not denying that Trump said that, he's nitpicking my framing of those statements as implying that Trump doesn't believe those responsible for Jan 6th should be held to account. Its a midwit tactic.

 

[Andy Capp]

Oh he's not denying that Trump said that, he's nitpicking my framing of those statements as implying that Trump doesn't believe those responsible for Jan 6th should be held to account. Its a midwit tactic.

My recollection is that his nitpick was whether Trump's comments came before or after the election. Trump was very clear about his intentions after that so I gathered the objection was to whether he used the claim he would pardon them as an election promise, which he did.

Here he is after the election and there's nothing about it that is unclear or merely suggested:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/who-are-jan-6-defendants-that-might-receive-clemency-donald-trump-2025-01-06/

"WASHINGTON, Jan 6 (Reuters) - Republican President-elect Donald Trump has promised to grant clemency to at least some of his supporters who stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021 in a failed bid to block Congress from certifying President Joe Biden's 2020 election victory.
Trump has said he expects to begin doing so shortly after he is sworn in to office on Jan. 20, but has not been specific about how many of the more than 1,580 people charged in the attack could be granted clemency. Here is what you need to know."

 

[Islam Imamate]

My recollection is that his nitpick was whether Trump's comments came before or after the election. He was very clear about his intentions after that so I gathered the objection was to whether he used the claim he would pardon them as an election promise, which he did.

Here he is after the election and there's nothing about it that is unclear or merely suggested:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/who-are-jan-6-defendants-that-might-receive-clemency-donald-trump-2025-01-06/

"WASHINGTON, Jan 6 (Reuters) - Republican President-elect Donald Trump has promised to grant clemency to at least some of his supporters who stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021 in a failed bid to block Congress from certifying President Joe Biden's 2020 election victory.
Trump has said he expects to begin doing so shortly after he is sworn in to office on Jan. 20, but has not been specific about how many of the more than 1,580 people charged in the attack could be granted clemency. Here is what you need to know."

Oh true, he did nitpick that part IIRC. Hard to keep track of midwit arguments.

 

[Osculater]

This was the one I remember

Army reservist Micah Xavier Johnson, 25, who shot dead five cops at Dallas Black Lives Matter protest had bomb-making materials, ballistic vests, rifles, ammunition and a combat journal in his home​

Pictured: Micah Xavier Johnson, 25, who shot 12 cops in Dallas

The man who shot 12 police officers, killing five, at a Black Lives Matter protest in downtown Dallas on Thursday night has been named as Micah Xavier Johnson, a 25-year-old army veteran.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Oh shit he was killed by a robot with C-4!

 

[Andy Capp]

Oh true, he did nitpick that part IIRC. Hard to keep track of midwit arguments.

Literal lol @ mid. I think you give them too much credit.

Don't doubt that. Gullible stupid people can be led to do many stupid things by people pulling the strings. Look at BLM, Pro Hamas, Occupy folks. Look at you taking the side of The View ffs. That's pretty sad.

Oh, man. You got that right, for sure. To wit,

Where has he said any consequences for Jan 6th are unjust? That's a big difference than talking about pardoning some of them.


State charges, which were dropped by the hundreds across the country.

"WASHINGTON - President-elect Donald Trump said on Tuesday he's planning to issue “major pardons” for Jan. 6 defendants who stormed the Capitol four years ago.

“People that didn't even walk into the building are in jail right now. So we'll be looking at the whole thing but I'll be making major pardons, yes,” Trump said during a press conference at his Mar-a-Lago home in South Florida when asked whether he was planning to pardon rioters charged with violent offenses.

It’s a move he’s previously signaled he would make. Trump’s latest remarks come a day after lawmakers gathered to witness the counting of the electoral votes and certify his victory in the 2024 presidential race."

 

[Scerpi]

Seems to me it's pretty likely the same Proud Boys who led the attack against the Capitol.

Possibly... likely not though. If it was Proud Boys, the FBI would have jumped on them by now.

The FBI still have no answers after 4 years. Despite having cell phone data and refuse to provide Congress with updates.

Chairs Loudermilk, Massie release January 6, 2021 Pipe Bomb Report​

Chairs Loudermilk, Massie release January 6, 2021 Pipe Bomb Report​

U.S. House of Representatives Committee on House Administration

cha.house.gov
The Security Failures Associated with the Law Enforcement Response to the Pipe Bombs:

• The USSS failed to identify one of the devices during security sweeps at the DNC, resulting in Vice President-elect Kamala Harris’s motorcade passing within feet of one of the pipe bombs. At least ten different USSS agents and two canine units came within feet of the pipe bomb before the Vice President-elect’s arrival yet never discovered the device.
• USCP failed to properly secure and maintain a perimeter around the pipe bombs despite multiple orders to do so, allowing pedestrians and vehicular traffic to cross within feet of the explosive devices. USCP permitted vehicles and pedestrians to pass by the pipe bomb while USCP’s bomb robot engaged with the device. At the DNC, for example, more than 40 vehicles and 10 pedestrians breached the security perimeter around the pipe bomb between its discovery and when law enforcement ultimately cleared the scene.
• Law enforcement allowed the motorcade of the Speaker of the House of Representatives to drive through an active bomb scene, risking the safety of the Speaker.

The FBI’s Investigation into the Pipe Bomber:

• The FBI did not receive “corrupted data” from one of the major cell carriers in connection with its investigation into the pipe bomber.
  • A former senior FBI official testified that the major cell carrier companies provided “corrupted” cell data to the FBI and suggested that that “corrupted” data may have contained the identity of the pipe bomber; however, in responses to letters from the Subcommittee, the major cell carriers confirmed that they did not provide corrupted data to the FBI and that the FBI never notified them of any issues with accessing the cellular data.
• In the early weeks and months of the investigation, the FBI took significant investigative steps to identify the suspect, including issuing geofence warrants, analyzing cell tower data, conducting forensic analyses of the devices, tracking the devices’ components, and reviewing hours of security camera footage. The FBI identified multiple persons of interest during the initial weeks and months of the investigation, including:
  • A person of interest who searched the term “pipe bomb DC” online prior to law enforcement’s discovery of the pipe bombs but after their placement.
  • A person of interest who on the morning of January 5, 2021, took photographs of the area behind the RNC where one of the pipe bombs would later be planted.
  • A vehicle of interest carrying a passenger matching the description of the suspect that drove past the RNC minutes after the suspect planted the pipe bombs.
  • A person of interest who owned the same unique pair of sneakers as the suspect (Nike Air Max Speed Turf sneakers) and who worked “in the area of the crime.”
  • Five persons of interest or “potential targets” whose cellular data indicated their movements on the evening of January 5, 2021, may have matched the movements of the suspect.

Despite its initial efforts, the FBI has yet to identify the suspect and has refused to provide the Subcommittees with additional information about these investigative leads.

 

[cincymma79]

Cool catch phrase bro

Checks to see if he was charged
Nope
Internet lawyer wrong again

Cool bro story

 

[irish_thug]

Oh shit he was killed by a robot with C-4!

It was glorious. Murder-bots are real now.

 

[Osculater]

It was glorious. Murder-bots are real now.

We are in the future, baby!

 

[LangfordBarrow]

If someone breaks into my home I have the will to kill that person but zero intentions

In this scenario it's the guy breaking into your house that brought a gun.

 

[Darkballs]

Well they haven't got much to be angry about after the last election.

I know. And it's refreshing to see how a transition can be peaceful when the losing party isn't a bunch of crybabies.