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Crime Jan 6 feelings

leave podium guy out of this. this picture of epic perportions was the greatest thing to come out of january 6th

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dude deserved a full pardon for that, not prison time. fuck all the rest of those rioters though.
 
every news media outlet has decided to cover it, except for fox news, who have decided to run tucker carlson instead. he'll still be talking about trump's insurrection no doubt, likely about how it was really just a bunch of FBI agents and anti-fascist groups dressed up as trump supporters behind it all , and the capitol security just opened up the door for them and told these people to come on in and take a peaceful tour of the capitol while congress is in session.

they'll never take responsibility for their own actions. theyre the ones perpetrating the lies that fuel the fire and helped cause this to happen. but you better believe that if it was biden who lost the election and it was the left that rioted, tucker and the maga muppets would still be throwing their shit-fits about it, day after day

the reason why they won’t cover it is because it’s live and they can’t really splice up the footage and spend absurd amounts of time focusing on little sound bites. basically it’s harder for them to do what they always do: lie and misrepresent and they probably don’t want to take any chances on something this important.

they should be required to change their name to Fox Entertainment. it’s obviously not news and it’s presented by a bunch of self serving raging sociopaths. makes sense anyways, as back in the 2000's they argued in court that they were an entertainment channel so had no responsibility to tell the truth.

That's freaking pathetic. I wonder how many times Tucker will work in his "End of Men" ball tanner into his show on Thursday?

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Do you think they'll prove that the viking guy was sent there by Trump, or that the ginger podium thief was a Russian agent?

I have no idea, but it's going to be very interesting to watch.
 
Do you think they'll prove that the viking guy was sent there by Trump, or that the ginger podium thief was a Russian agent?
Let's see if they show some evidence of who these people charged with sedition were communicating with before the event. If it didn't reach Trump himself though it's no biggie right?
 
That's freaking pathetic. I wonder how many times Tucker will work in his "End of Men" ball tanner into his show on Thursday?

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oh for fuck sakes i wish i didnt have to be reminded of this

well, fox news probably wont be running any mypillow ads after crackhead mike got a little too crazy for them
 
You gonna guarantee any results for this one?

Results? The committee will claim a bunch of conspiratorial nonsense that people like you will believe will mean something. That will result in some bickering in congress and online for a few days, and that's about it.

What do you think is actually gonna happen here? Do you think this is gonna result in some grand trial against Donald Trump, or something? In case you have forgotten, they already investigated this and had an impeachment trial. Do you seriously believe some smoking gun indicating that this was a big organized coup attempt was missed?
 
It was an auto-coup.

The morons interrupting the certification were one part of it and they were largely successful, they delayed the proceedings for hours. What they were doing wasn't the objective, just a necessary step.

All the other steps failed.

The fact you dismiss this as no big deal is just evidence of the fact you don't care about democracy or America as long as you get what you want.

I'm Canadian, but I do care about democracy. A lot.

I just can't wrap my head around the hypothetical end game of Jan 6:

a. I don't get how delaying a largely symbolic procedure was supposed to play any sort of role in any sort of overturning of the will of the people. I mean, I get that "it failed," but how could it possibly not fail? Surely there's not some procedural loophole that is going to have any sort of real world chance at overturning the will of the electorate "if only we can buy a little more time." It feels a little like a "Mike Pence can just cancel the whole election if he feels like it" sort of thing to me.

b. More importantly, I don't get how you enlist a few thousand people as conscious co-conspirators to this odd attempted coup. And without the Secret Service getting wind of it to shut it down? That's an awful terrifyingly large group of superhumanly disciplined tight knit insurgents.

This isn't me downplaying anything. I'm just the sort who likes to pin things down in a precise way that makes sense.

So far, what makes sense to me is:

a. Yes, Trump had some strange people around him who had all sorts of weird theories about how you could game the system with quasi-legal end arounds and declare yourself president for life. Not the first time I've seen this sort of thing in American politics (I remember when Hilary supporters figured she could still beat Obama for the nomination after losing the primaries if she could rally some superdelegates... and the Dems had a plan for Pence to overturn a democratic election before Trump's crew did). But, yes, Trump et al took it to the next level. Still doesn't feel like it had any shot at working.

b. The whole storming of the Capital on January 6 was the entirely unpredictable end result of an over hyped and massively attended protest turned mob. We've seen mobs try to storm buildings before, with various degrees of success. Their success in breaching the defenses on Jan 6 was almost entirely due to the massive size of the crowd. Feels way to unpredictable to be part of the larger plan, and feels like an outrageous conspiracy to suggest the mob was in on that plan.

It's serious stuff, either way, but I can't bring myself to wrap it up in a narrative that doesn't make any sort of logical sense to me. I don't see the need to try to paint it as something more (or less) than what it was.

If we're looking for something egregious connected to Jan 6, it's the continued drum beat of politicians and certain media sources trading in the idea that the election was stolen. You're playing with fire with that stuff. It brings the temperature up and before you know it you've reached a boiling point and you have a mob storming the capital. And then for Trump to kick back and cheer it on in private rather than speaking out and trying to cool things down (which he had the power to do had he wanted to) is just beyond the pale.
 
Results? The committee will claim a bunch of conspiratorial nonsense that people like you will believe will mean something. That will result in some bickering in congress and online for a few days, and that's about it.

What do you think is actually gonna happen here? Do you think this is gonna result in some grand trial against Donald Trump, or something?
Yeah they hope. It's funny they say Trump can't win and when you go on dem sites they're trying to figure out how to stop him from running. Why? If he can't win then what's the issue here?
Either way DeSantis smashes Harris or biden. So they can try and distract from everything they've screwed up in the last yeah and a half.
 
Results? The committee will claim a bunch of conspiratorial nonsense that people like you will believe will mean something. That will result in some bickering in congress and online for a few days, and that's about it.

What do you think is actually gonna happen here? Do you think this is gonna result in some grand trial against Donald Trump, or something?
I don't know but I have an open mind. Let's wait and see what they present before deciding it's nonsense.
 
Because I'm defending myself? Because mods on here are playing favorites despite the rules before you post? Have I been disrespectful?
Yes I will wait thanks.
While you wait take a chill pill. :cool:
 
must be that imaginary disease of mine kicking in again. i love how the election fraud flat-earthers always have to run to one anothers defense.

whats alex jones been up to lately my man?
I didn't vote for Trump.

I literally wrote "DEEZ NUTZ" in as my vote.

You think I give a shit about that election? Or Congress?

This whole entire government is corrupt. You are angry at powerless morons rather than the ones that actually have power.
 
I don't know but I have an open mind. Let's wait and see what they present before deciding it's nonsense.

You do you, but at this point, it's like watching people get excited for a new season of "The Walking Dead". They all know it's gonna be shit like the last 10 seasons, but they somehow convince themselves that this time, things will be different...somehow, like they do every season. Then when it's not, they'll lie to themselves that it wasn't as bad as people say, and claim that a few scenes made it worthwhile.
 
I didn't vote for Trump.

I literally wrote "DEEZ NUTZ" in as my vote.

You think I give a shit about that election? Or Congress?

This whole entire government is corrupt. You are angry at powerless morons rather than the ones that actually have power.

i'm not angry about those insurrectionists it all. it kinda warms the cockles of my heart every time i see another article pop up involving one of them getting their stupid ass arrested and theyve got maga tears rolling down their faces. they threw their lives away over their loyalty towards a con man who threw them under the bus. not sure why that would make me angry.

as for politicians, theyre all a bunch of crooks, doesn't matter which side they play for or what country they live in. theyre all in it for themselves. i'm sure 'DEEZ NUTZ' would make for just as good of a president as the rest of them if he's any good at lying, cheating, and stealing. after all, thats how you make it into politics. fuck every last one of them. but vote for the guy whos gonna fuck you the gentlest. thats how i've always looked at it.
 
I'm Canadian, but I do care about democracy. A lot.

I just can't wrap my head around the hypothetical end game of Jan 6:

a. I don't get how delaying a largely symbolic procedure was supposed to play any sort of role in any sort of overturning of the will of the people. I mean, I get that "it failed," but how could it possibly not fail? Surely there's not some procedural loophole that is going to have any sort of real world chance at overturning the will of the electorate "if only we can buy a little more time." It feels a little like a "Mike Pence can just cancel the whole election if he feels like it" sort of thing to me.

b. More importantly, I don't get how you enlist a few thousand people as conscious co-conspirators to this odd attempted coup. And without the Secret Service getting wind of it to shut it down? That's an awful terrifyingly large group of superhumanly disciplined tight knit insurgents.

This isn't me downplaying anything. I'm just the sort who likes to pin things down in a precise way that makes sense.

So far, what makes sense to me is:

a. Yes, Trump had some strange people around him who had all sorts of weird theories about how you could game the system with quasi-legal end arounds and declare yourself president for life. Not the first time I've seen this sort of thing in American politics (I remember when Hilary supporters figured she could still beat Obama for the nomination after losing the primaries if she could rally some superdelegates... and the Dems had a plan for Pence to overturn a democratic election before Trump's crew did). But, yes, Trump et al took it to the next level. Still doesn't feel like it had any shot at working.

b. The whole storming of the Capital on January 6 was the entirely unpredictable end result of an over hyped and massively attended protest turned mob. We've seen mobs try to storm buildings before, with various degrees of success. Their success in breaching the defenses on Jan 6 was almost entirely due to the massive size of the crowd. Feels way to unpredictable to be part of the larger plan, and feels like an outrageous conspiracy to suggest the mob was in on that plan.

It's serious stuff, either way, but I can't bring myself to wrap it up in a narrative that doesn't make any sort of logical sense to me. I don't see the need to try to paint it as something more (or less) than what it was.

If we're looking for something egregious connected to Jan 6, it's the continued drum beat of politicians and certain media sources trading in the idea that the election was stolen. You're playing with fire with that stuff. It brings the temperature up and before you know it you've reached a boiling point and you have a mob storming the capital. And then for Trump to kick back and cheer it on in private rather than speaking out and trying to cool things down (which he had the power to do had he wanted to) is just beyond the pale.

The thousands of protestors weren't conspirators, they were a mob generated to be taken advantage of. The One Percenters and Proud Boys currently facing sedition charges were the conspirators.

Plenty of people knew this was going to happen. The Secret Service knew it was going to happen, many of the warnings have surfaced in the ongoing hearings. Antifa debated counter protesting but decided it was far too dangerous, the caches of weapons discovered nearby proved them right. They were talking about this weeks in advance.

There are plenty of articles and videos out there if you need help wrapping your head around this, and hopefully the current investigation will bring much of it to light. What they were trying to do, why it didn't work, and what elements are still in place. There was a lot of manipulation of the votes and Republicans who spoke against the false allegations of fraud have been purged from the party. They won't be around next time and this party of Trump is still claiming the election was stolen.

Yes, it's serious, and the people downplaying it and dismissing it are a huge part of the problem. We're seeing a tyranny of the minority who would be more than happy to accept an overthrow of the democratic process if it's in their favour. Trump's "we just need you to find more votes" should have ended any debate on what they were trying to do, but all conservatives do is complain about the leaked tape. It's unbelievable.

I'm also Canadian and the conservative super majority on the Supreme Court is still probably the most depressing thing that has happened in my 54 years. A minority of Americans have a super majority on the Supreme Court.
 
Assuming there's any justice left in the Land of the Free.

its pretty serious shit their leader is being charged with. he's facing up to 20 years in prison. looks like theyre able to make a solid case for it too. dont really see how they can fuck it up unless they hire rudy giuliani, lin wood, or sidney powell as a prosecuting attorney.

he'll definately be getting more than podium guy and the viking guys got. doubt he'll get anywhere close to 20 years though. the only way you ever get that kind of time outside of drugs or murder is if you get caught stealing money from other rich people or politicians.
 
The election was stolen by a cabal of left wing billionaires and their ballot harvesting mules as well as their fake journalist smear merchants.

January 6 was not an insurrection, but it was a setup by the Deep State. They knew that real patriots were righteously angry about the theft of their nation. So they sent provocateurs to goad people and kept event security understaffed. They even got members of the capitol police to let people into certain parts of the building. Then they used the fact that a handful of attendees got out of hand as the excuse to declare an insurrection and smear all the people who truly love this country and want it to prosper as opposed to those who just see it as a chance to bleed the rubes dry.
 
The election was stolen by a cabal of left wing billionaires and their ballot harvesting mules as well as their fake journalist smear merchants.

thats nice, election fraud flat-earther. go and prove it.
 
oh yeah and make sure to bring that evidence to court this time to,o because thats where allegations are made and evidence is presented. twitter does not have the authority to overturn elections or resolve legal disputes, when i make allegations of something, i dont make them in a hotel lobby or in the parking lot of your local landscaping shop across the street from the dildo store, and when i present my evidence, i don't bring it to a crackhead pillow salesman, or a convicted felon and renowned conspiracy theorist who is trying to make a few bucks off of a movie to help coverfor his legal fines.
 
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