Jack Slack article on Anderson Silva leg break

[egk]

If Weidman didn't COUNTER the low leg kick would the same injury have happened? No.

The kick check is a legit counter strike. You can also get hurt blocking a kick or taking any kick.

If Anderson broke Weidman's leg on that same kick it would be considered a spectacular finish. Anderson was the aggressor and got countered. Leg kick counters get no respect and people shit all over guys who don't check leg kicks.

I think that's an excellent point about the possibility of Anderson breaking Weidman's leg. If that happened or if he had hurt him so bad he couldn't continue, I believe you are right. The same people calling this a fluke would talk about what a spectacular finish it was.

 

[thechoice2]

I think that's an excellent point about the possibility of Anderson breaking Weidman's leg. If that happened or if he had hurt him so bad he couldn't continue, I believe you are right. The same people calling this a fluke would talk about what a spectacular finish it was.

Yeah, cause so many Silva fans bragged about the Cote finish. That's why it's always up on the list of Anderson's top UFC finishes when those threads come up.

 

[hockeytough]

More people get struck by lightning, than have their shins broke by checking kicks.

"Some are claiming that Silva's injury was a freak injury. In truth, the snapping of the shin bone in that manner was a rare injury, but when a fighter runs full power into a kick which connects on the opponent's knee, it's not uncommon.

Within that scenario, it is a very common outcome that the shin will be injured to some degree. Whether the fighter can fight on it or not, he will not want to kick again too soon, and that is the purpose of checking with the top of the shin and knee."

 

[YeahNo]

there is no act there. You are factually wrong.

it is not 'pure luck' if it is within the range of EXPECTED outcomes.

When a hard kick is thrown and checked properly we expect these as some of the potential outcomes:

- kick is blocked and no damage or pain to either (rare but can happen)
- kick is blocked and pain to either kicker or blocker but nothing major (common)
- kick is blocked and pain to either kicker or blocker that is major and changes how they fight (common, especially if re-occurring)
- Kick is blocked and pain or damage to either kicker or blocker ends fight (rare but happens)

All of the above options are normal course occurrences to a leg kick check. the frequency or rarity does not make one a fluke or pure luck. It is expected that something that happens RARELY will only happen RARELY. That is not pure luck.

With enough MMA fights going on in the future you can ABSOLUTELY 100% expect to see another leg check break. You can bank on it. It is EXPECTED. It won't be lucky. It will just be a RARE event occurring again RARELY as expected.

Right on the money.

 

[hockeytough]

Yeah, cause so many Silva fans bragged about the Cote finish. That's why it's always up on the list of Anderson's top UFC finishes when those threads come up.

that's terribly dumb.

you clearly can't read.

 

[THECYNDlCATE]

"Some are claiming that Silva's injury was a freak injury. In truth, the snapping of the shin bone in that manner was a rare injury, but when a fighter runs full power into a kick which connects on the opponent's knee, it's not uncommon.

Within that scenario, it is a very common outcome that the shin will be injured to some degree. Whether the fighter can fight on it or not, he will not want to kick again too soon, and that is the purpose of checking with the top of the shin and knee."

That statement is nothing but a big dance.

 

[hockeytough]

That statement is nothing but a big dance.

no, it's not.

He's saying it's unlikey to get hit by lightning.

But if you're standing atop a lightning rod, holding a 2-iron in a thunderstorm, it's not that unlikey.

It's not a dance simply because you don't understand or use logic.

 

[IamStryker]

Lets all disregard this professional article and listen to a Sherdog poster. He is obviously right whereas everyone else is wrong.

(This post contained some sarcasm)

 

[TheonGreyJoy**]

You can fully expect that someone will win the jackpot in the Megamillions drawing in the future as well. It's an expected result, being the person that wins that jackpot drawing means you're lucky. Just because a result is in the range of possibility doesn't make it any less lucky/unlucky when it occurs.

stupid post is stupid. Go back to school.

If I punch your face hoping to KO and instead break your orbital or cheek that is a very rare injury. Incredibly rare. But I get full credit as I punched your face trying to do damage (knock you out) and instead a rarer form damage occurred.

If I throw a kick at your head trying to KO and you block with your arm and I break your arm instead that is a very rare injury. Incredibly rare. But I get full credit as I threw the kick trying to do damage (KO you) and instead a rare form of damage occurred.

I don't have to call out the type of damage I am trying to do for it to be valid. In a fight sometimes you just try to do damage and you achieve it in a way you did not plan.

Nothing in that equates to a lottery win

 

[LORDASVP]

Super informative article would be interested to see what someone catch a leg and elbow it like he said sounds pretty brutal lol.

 

[TheonGreyJoy**]

A recent card fight ended when a fighter dislocated his shoulder on a missed strike. This is a possible outcome of eluding strikes. Therefore it is not a flukish result.

Weidman checked a kick. He did good in that moment. He gets the win. The result was freakish for a checked kick.

False and stupid. See above.

expecting no injury, some injury and severe fight ending injury from leg checks in the future is 100% expected. It will happen again and again. It is one of the NORMAL outcomes of checking leg kicks. It is just one of the rarer outcomes. Rare does not mean never. Rare means in small percents which is exactly what we see with that injury as expected.

 

[thechoice2]

stupid post is stupid. Go back to school.

If I punch your face hoping to KO and instead break your orbital or cheek that is a very rare injury. Incredibly rare. But I get full credit as I punched your face trying to do damage (knock you out) and instead a rarer form damage occurred.

If I throw a kick at your head trying to KO and you block with your arm and I break your arm instead that is a very rare injury. Incredibly rare. But I get full credit as I threw the kick trying to do damage (KO you) and instead a rare form of damage occurred.

I don't have to call out the type of damage I am trying to do for it to be valid. In a fight sometimes you just try to do damage and you achieve it in a way you did not plan.

Nothing in that equates to a lottery win

You call my post stupid yet you go and write 4 paragraphs just to say "flukey means you don't get full credit" when I haven't said anything of the sort. The leg break was flukey, Weidman gets full credit for breaking the leg. I don't see the issue with that. You Weidman fans seem to have a problem being able to call the result of his technique flukey while at the same time giving him full credit for checking his kick.

 

[chefdiablo]

Another thing is posters like you, I have had ever post of mine quoted and me being called an idiot (Even though I have been fighting for nearly 10 years in MT and Kickboxing) by keyboard warriors.

Blocking kicks is not a game plan, when you're fighting a guy with devastating kicks you are going to make sure you block them that is common sense.

Does strong/hard blocking exist? YES, instead of just intercepting with your leg you can lean into it to make them "pay" or think twice about kicking you (I have done this in fights), but you do not PLAN for a shin break. If you could plan for a fucking shin break don't you think we would see fighters in Muay Thai winning every fight with this mythical shin breaking technique?

Chris was smart to recognize Anderson can throw hard low kicks so he made a mental note to be wary of them and check them like any smart fighter would. He wants to make them hurt Anderson so he wouldn't throw them as much since they are devastating, again like any smart fighter should be doing. However, planning to break his shin in half is NOT what happened, sure you can have the mentality "I'm gonna check him so hard like i'm gonna break his leg" but that isn't what you're actually doing, you're just making them hurt for kicking you. Breaking your shin in half rarely ever happens and if it was an actual technique it would happen in kickboxing and muay thai fights on a daily basis.

I would say that checking leg kicks was a part of Weidman's game plan here though, but not with the intent to break a limb of course.

The reason I believe this is because Anderson did throw several very hard kicks in the first fight that would have made the latter rounds very tough on Chris to endure. Chris's team saw this and developed a sound plan to preempt that. They did plan to dissuade Anderson from using very hard leg kicks and sadly the plan worked too well.

Few rational people believe Chris intended a bone break as a result however logic suggests some level of injury was anticipated here. Chris was setting Anderson up to throw a predictable leg kick which he could check, Anderson had a predictable attack that Chris and his team used against him.

I believe that much to be true.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

I would say that checking leg kicks was a part of Weidman's game plan here though, but not with the intent to break a limb of course.

The reason I believe this is because Anderson did throw several very hard kicks in the first fight that would have made the latter rounds very tough on Chris to endure. Chris's team saw this and developed a sound plan to preempt that. They did plan to dissuade Anderson from using very hard leg kicks and sadly the plan worked too well.

Few rational people believe Chris intended a bone break as a result however logic suggests some level of injury was anticipated here. Chris was setting Anderson up to throw a predictable leg kick which he could check, Anderson had a predictable attack that Chris and his team used against him.

I believe that much to be true.

I think this is the best stance, it wasn't an accident because Weidman intended to check the kick and intended to hurt Silva in doing so however he didn't intend to break his leg with the check but Anderson didn't land the kick right which helped Weidman cause more damage to Anderson's leg.

I would say Cote's injury in his fight with Anderson was a fluke though as nothing caused his knee injury, he just stepped wrong and somehow got injured.

 

[thechoice2]

False and stupid. See above.

expecting no injury, some injury and severe fight ending injury from leg checks in the future is 100% expected. It will happen again and again. It is one of the NORMAL outcomes of checking leg kicks. It is just one of the rarer outcomes. Rare does not mean never. Rare means in small percents which is exactly what we see with that injury as expected.

It's both rare and normal?

 

[TheonGreyJoy**]

You call my post stupid yet you go and write 4 paragraphs just to say "flukey means you don't get full credit" when I haven't said anything of the sort. The leg break was flukey, Weidman gets full credit for breaking the leg. I don't see the issue with that. You Weidman fans seem to have a problem being able to call the result of his technique flukey while at the same time giving him full credit for checking his kick.

Rare =/= flukey nor does it equal 'lucky'.

If you are merely misusing the word 'fluke' to suggest 'rare' then we agree but you should use the correct word. If you are using fluke, as many Anderson teary fans in this thread are to suggest Chris was lucky you are wrong.

 

[TheonGreyJoy**]

I would say that checking leg kicks was a part of Weidman's game plan here though, but not with the intent to break a limb of course.

The reason I believe this is because Anderson did throw several very hard kicks in the first fight that would have made the latter rounds very tough on Chris to endure. Chris's team saw this and developed a sound plan to preempt that. They did plan to dissuade Anderson from using very hard leg kicks and sadly the plan worked too well.

Few rational people believe Chris intended a bone break as a result however logic suggests some level of injury was anticipated here. Chris was setting Anderson up to throw a predictable leg kick which he could check, Anderson had a predictable attack that Chris and his team used against him.

I believe that much to be true.

Checking a leg kick is done for the same reason throwing a leg kick is done. You want to hurt your opponents leg and change the way he is fighting or take away some of his tools.

if Jose Aldo is punishing someone with vicious leg kicks and that person tries to block one with his arm and Jose ends up breaking that arm and winning via stoppage, Jose gets full credit. Ya he was not planning to break the arm. he was planning to simply do damage to whatever he kicked and he was aiming at the leg. But he gets full credit for the arm break. It is not fluky even if an arm break via kick is a very rare injury.

Weidman checked Anderson's kick planning to damage to him so that he would not be able to do leg kicks in the later rounds. Within that range of damage we SHOULD expect is 'almost nothing', 'minimal damage (bruising)', 'extreme damage (fight stopping). The fact that you should only expect the fight stopping damage rarely does not mean it is not a normal outcome of the maneuver. It is. it is just a rare one.

 

[kflo]

I would say that checking leg kicks was a part of Weidman's game plan here though, but not with the intent to break a limb of course.

The reason I believe this is because Anderson did throw several very hard kicks in the first fight that would have made the latter rounds very tough on Chris to endure. Chris's team saw this and developed a sound plan to preempt that. They did plan to dissuade Anderson from using very hard leg kicks and sadly the plan worked too well.

Few rational people believe Chris intended a bone break as a result however logic suggests some level of injury was anticipated here. Chris was setting Anderson up to throw a predictable leg kick which he could check, Anderson had a predictable attack that Chris and his team used against him.

I believe that much to be true.

I have not heard them say they were baiting for kicks.

 

[thechoice2]

Checking a leg kick is done for the same reason throwing a leg kick is done. You want to hurt your opponents leg and change the way he is fighting or take away some of his tools.

if Jose Aldo is punishing someone with vicious leg kicks and that person tries to block one with his arm and Jose ends up breaking that arm and winning via stoppage, Jose gets full credit. Ya he was not planning to break the arm. he was planning to simply do damage to whatever he kicked and he was aiming at the leg. But he gets full credit for the arm break. It is not fluky even if an arm break via kick is a very rare injury.

Weidman checked Anderson's kick planning to damage to him so that he would not be able to do leg kicks in the later rounds. Within that range of damage we SHOULD expect is 'almost nothing', 'minimal damage (bruising)', 'extreme damage (fight stopping). The fact that you should only expect the fight stopping damage rarely does not mean it is not a normal outcome of the maneuver. It is. it is just a rare one.

Why do you believe that a fluke win means you don't get full credit?

 

[TheonGreyJoy**]

It's both rare and normal?

yes absolutely. wow do people not know what these words mean?

If something occurs 1 out of 1,000 or 1 out of 10,000 times WE EXPECT it to happen once within 1,000 or 10,000 fights. It should not be a shock that it happens once within 1,000 or 10,000 fights as that is the normal occurrence rate.

in this case we expect check kick leg breaks, orbital bone breaks, cheek bone breaks which are rare injuries to occur normally but only in a small percent of fights. Just as we actually see it happen only in a small percent of fights.

Do people on this site think something that occurs rarely means it should NEVER happen? Rare =/= never.