Jack Slack article on Anderson Silva leg break

[mirko>anyone]

I can't wait for the Slackster's multi-page follow up article -

It's all about how, when a fighter breaks his hand throwing a punch, it's ultimately because his opponent used subtle head movement to "check" the punch with a hard part of the skull.

LOL

So checking kicks isn't a big deal? Checking a leg kick can be detrimental to an opponent. You making up bullshit exaggerations doesn't validate your claim in the slightest. You offer nothing.

 

[Senzo Tanaka]

I can't wait for the Slackster's multi-page follow up article -

It's all about how, when a fighter breaks his hand throwing a punch, it's ultimately because his opponent used subtle head movement to "check" the punch with a hard part of the skull.

Do you realize this actually a technique used in boxing? Some boxers attempt to catch punches on their forehead from jabs in an attempt injure or break their other fighters hand. Diaz used it against BJ.

A leg kick check is both an offensive and defensive maneuver. It attempts to prevent the other fighter from kicking since if checked correctly, it hurts the attacker more than the receiver and best case, can incapacitate them.

 

[Tol]

I can't wait for the Slackster's multi-page follow up article -

It's all about how, when a fighter breaks his hand throwing a punch, it's ultimately because his opponent used subtle head movement to "check" the punch with a hard part of the skull.

Idea noted and stolen.

 

[west42]

Just to explain something real quick-Anderson's first checked kick not breaking his leg is not proof the next checked kick and break were a fluke. If kicking an object that has a one in ten thousand shoot of breaking your leg happens, and you do it again, there's now a one is five thousand chance it's gonna happen(The possibility doubled. He gets four checks and now it's quadrupled). Probability times number of occurrences. It's not disputable.

 

[THECYNDlCATE]

You didn't even bother to read the article by someone much more informed than you, did you?

Yeah I read his article.
You obviously didn't bother reading all of my posts on the subject either.

He danced around the subject with his wording, so that people on either side could find favor in his article.

I wanted to clarify.

 

[SnowBlynd]

I'm more shocked that this is news to anyone that this shit can happen. There are quite a few brutal vids out there.

 

[ultramanhyata]

LOL

So checking kicks isn't a big deal? Checking a leg kick can be detrimental to an opponent. You making up bullshit exaggerations doesn't validate your claim in the slightest. You offer nothing.

Yeah, let's pretend Weidman is the first guy in MMA to ever lift his leg to check a kick. And then pretend that if other fighters "started" utilizing this same technique we would see broken shinbones in the octagon on a regular basis.

We can either do that - or admit that what happened to Silva's leg was a super rare, freak injury.

 

[Barbadosdaluta]

The picture and gif of Silva's broking leg aren't necessary damn it.

Uhh it really is its an Article about that. May I show you a different sport perhaps? Ping pong? Just don't look at the articles about those paddle splinters you'll pass out.

 

[kflo]

If you spar, you train to check kicks. Why? Because eating them sucks. Chris trained specifically for silva and his low kicks. He trained to check his inside low kick. It is not new and it's not super secret. He effectively did his job on that exchange. It had a freakish result. It is what it is. What it isn't is some earth shattering discovery.

 

[FedorRoks]

There was intent to check the leg kick and damage Silva so he wouldn't try it again. The break was just fortunate for Weidman's side.

Right. This isn't really complicated. The point of checking a kick is to dissuade the kicker from continuing to kick, and/or to minimize the damage to yourself from taking kicks.

The technique is legal in the UFC. As such, there is nothing "dirty" or "dishonorable" about it. I made the comparison in another thread to a tackle made in American football by a player against Rob Gronkowski that took out Gronkowski's knee. If you allow the hit, the hit is going to happen at some point as it did against Gronkowski.

In the first fight, Silva did well with leg kicks. That may have been the only thing he did well at, actually. So if you are Team Weidman, naturally, you want to take away the leg kicks against you.

They did that. Whether or not Silva's leg broke from a checked kick or not.

And by doing that, based upon how Weidman had handled the rest of Silva's attack in the first two fights to that point, Weidman was in pretty good shape.

 

[egk]

Yeah, let's pretend Weidman is the first guy in MMA to ever lift his leg to check a kick. And then pretend that if other fighters "started" utilizing this same technique we would see broken shinbones in the octagon on a regular basis.

We can either do that - or admit that what happened to Silva's leg was a super rare, freak injury.

Why do you guys keep using the same fucking straw man argument? No one is saying broken legs will be an automatic result of more checked kicks. It's still an under-utilized technique in MMA. Too many fighters just eat kicks or try to run away from them.

But in answer to your ridiculous fallacy, Aldo got his foot broken from a KZ check at UFC 163.

 

[MyPainYourGain]

Yeah, let's pretend Weidman is the first guy in MMA to ever lift his leg to check a kick. And then pretend that if other fighters "started" utilizing this same technique we would see broken shinbones in the octagon on a regular basis.

We can either do that - or admit that what happened to Silva's leg was a super rare, freak injury.

no one is saying that, the point is , checks are used to hurt your opponent (hurting doesnt mean breaking someones leg but if that happens there is nothing flukey about it just like JackSlack said) as much as they are to protect yourself and if more fighters checked kicks correctly we would see much less kicks without a set-up like the one Silva threw,

Im not sure how can anyone disagree with a legit striking analyst but nuthuggery can be quite strong on these boards

 

[egk]

If you spar, you train to check kicks. Why? Because eating them sucks. Chris trained specifically for silva and his low kicks. He trained to check his inside low kick. It is not new and it's not super secret. He effectively did his job on that exchange. It had a freakish result. It is what it is. What it isn't is some earth shattering discovery.

I agree it's nothing new. I think the point is that even other MMA fighters take notice of a high-profile fight like this. It won't surprise me if opponents of some of the better kickers out there start working harder to check them now.

Another poster thought MMA fighters don't check kicks as often as they could or should because they want both legs down and in position to defend takedowns. I don't know if it's true but it makes sense. I don't think Weidman was worrying about Anderson Silva taking him down.

 

[lifelessheap]

He wanted to deter leg kicks and he got lucky and silva's bones gave way. lol, the break was random as shit.

 

[ultramanhyata]

Do you realize this actually a technique used in boxing? Some boxers attempt to catch punches on their forehead from jabs in an attempt injure or break their other fighters hand.

Such a fact only strengthens my point. Quite a number of guys have broken their hands throwing punches in MMA. Now show me just one of these many fights in which the opponent was somehow directly credited with causing the break?

Because that's what the fanboys are trying to do with Weidman's kick check.

 

[MyPainYourGain]

Such a fact only strengthens my point. Quite a number of guys have broken their hands throwing punches in MMA. Now show me just one of these many fights in which the opponent was somehow directly credited with causing the break?

Because that's what the fanboys are trying to do with Weidman's kick check.

so delusional

eating a punch to the face and checking a kick are not the same

 

[TheComebackKid]

This is really no different than Coleman "beating" Shogun

 

[Spidermine]

That fact that he shows BOTH gifs of Chris checking the kicks, proves that the end result of the fight was, in fact a "fluke".

The point where the legs meet is random and you can't really plan for it.
You are hardly even thinking about it. You are just trying to check properly and counter.

Chris got lucky and the legs met in his favor.

Did he intend to break Silva's leg? NO.

His intention was to block the kick, take as little damage as possible and counter. You can even see his "oh shit" face when the kick is launched.

Is the win legitimate?
ABSOLUTELY.

This should put fighters on notice about low kicks and proper checking technique.

[YT]watch?v=3aqvSQo2ybE[/YT]
from 10:30.

He didn't intend to break Anderson's leg but he did want to hurt him enough to stop throwing leg kicks. Chris focused on stopping leg kicks most in camp. He did plan for it and actively tried to get knee on shin in training. He was also aware that it could break Anderson leg as it happen in training to someone before. He coaches even calls it the destruction. Also you shouldn't say stupid shit like Chris got "lucky" when his emphasis in training was the technique that ended up breaking Anderson's leg.

 

[Sharknado]

Out of any mma writer or forum poster I have never learned as much from any of them as I have from Jack Slack. That guy is one of the best analyst.

Time to start practicing knee spikes boys (and girls).

 

[DesertStomper**]

This guy sure like to write alot.

He gets paid to do it, and has probably the best MMA articles on the internet.