Jack Dempsey-Championship Fighting: Explosive Punching & Aggressive defense Book

opie said:
no, it's less about the fist and more about keeping your elbows down

i dont have an explanation for it besides bro-science, but when you throw your left hook with your fist vertical and your elbow down (awkward looking and uncomfortable.. your wrist has to be conditioned to it.. it hurts at first), you get a LOT more power

not something i made up. my old boxing coach taught me that way. take it for what it is. i have above average power
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that's just what i'm talking about, the "elbow down" is just another variation of the "proper" way. the elbow and forearm perfectly parallel to the floor when you're in close is what a lot of coaches teach beginers. this way you're forearm is in front of your face if the fist misses, a great idea. ring magazine had a great article about 15 years ago where they asked the top trainers how to do certain things and always got different answers with different rationales the title of the article was something like the sweet science not being a perfect, exact science.
 
I've seen some damn good fighters, with devastating hooks throw it either way. It's not about "right" and "wrong". It's whatever is appropriate at the given time.

It doesn't mean you have bad trainers. It might very well mean that you don't have one dimensional trainers that believe that there is one way, and that way is the only way.

Awful lot of know-it-all types. Dempsey > sherdog boxing forum posters. That's a fact.
 
WatchMeDoMe said:
If someone put them in front if a heavy bag and asked them to throw a left hook with as much impact force as possible, you can bet they (or st least Floyd) would land with a horizontal fist.
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On the contrary, mostly vertical:




Moz hit it on the head earlier, and it's about variation. Most specifically, where your fist is positioned should really have more to do with where in the motion the punch is landing. Given that your elbow is connected to your hip until the last possible moment, if you land the punch before it crosses your center line it's likely to land with the palm facing in - connecting with the center knuckle. If it ventures past the center-line, however, and then connects it's likely to be palm down - but still connecting with the center knuckle. But regardless, people have thrown them both ways for a long time. Someone isn't "wrong" or "lazy" just because they don't subscribe to your line of thinking. Many ways to skin a cat my friend.
I especially like the second video because it illustrates the dreaded vertical jab! Just taking the piss :)
Hopkins also throws a vertical jab. You can see it against Pavlik; he uses it to get between guard.
 
In the book Dempsey was talking about bare knuckle boxing when he introduced the vertical punch. It was in reference to the best punch for not breaking your hands, but some of the diagrams later in the book still pictured the vertical “straight jolt” while wearing gloves.
 
it's a great book, dempsey gave us the foundation for modern boxing. I loved the parts where he talks about how he scribbled notes down and friends would ask him what in the world he was doing. He was doing what genius' do, like Ellington couldn't control when thoughts and ideas would come to him same went for dempsey. I used to think Joe Louis was a mechanical, strictly do what he was told fighter but someone on here posted a link where they go way into detail about all of his punches too and it seemed he was conscious of what his body did.
 
Shoemaker said:
On the contrary, mostly vertical:




Moz hit it on the head earlier, and it's about variation. Most specifically, where your fist is positioned should really have more to do with where in the motion the punch is landing. Given that your elbow is connected to your hip until the last possible moment, if you land the punch before it crosses your center line it's likely to land with the palm facing in - connecting with the center knuckle. If it ventures past the center-line, however, and then connects it's likely to be palm down - but still connecting with the center knuckle. But regardless, people have thrown them both ways for a long time. Someone isn't "wrong" or "lazy" just because they don't subscribe to your line of thinking. Many ways to skin a cat my friend.
I especially like the second video because it illustrates the dreaded vertical jab! Just taking the piss :)
Hopkins also throws a vertical jab. You can see it against Pavlik; he uses it to get between guard.
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He's obviously not loading up and hitting as hard as he can. Just because he's hitting a heavy bag doesn't make that footage relevant at all...
 
I remember this argument going on in the Bruce Lee hits a heavybag thread. Everyone was shitting on Lee because he was landing his straight punches with a vertical fist.

Archie Moore used to stab people with a stiff vertical jab. A real nose breaker. I mean you'd see the guy's head blow back from the force. Archie Moore is the master. So i guess what i'm saying is a vertical jab can definitely be used



But as far as the E-fights in here. Please continue for my entertainment.
 
ya, bruce was heavy into dempsey, heavy. it was a natural fit with wing chun. as a bruce disciple i will say to my dying day that he never will get his proper due.
 
WatchMeDoMe said:
He's obviously not loading up and hitting as hard as he can. Just because he's hitting a heavy bag doesn't make that footage relevant at all...
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7/10. You had me going for a post.
 
I'm pretty sure Floyd threw several vertical jabs at Canelo. Also, the left hooks that Floyd threw to drop Corrales were all vertical hooks. Vertical jabs and hooks are alright in my book. Totally biased though. I throw them vertical all the time. Seems to work. Again though totally biased.
 
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