Jack Dempsey-Championship Fighting: Explosive Punching & Aggressive defense Book

[goldennboy]

Watchmedome

I don't mean to disrespect, but you don't know how to box. Don't talk about how no much should be thrown vertically. Every punch could be thrown vertically.

Show different styles, I throw my jab vertically when I want to put more speed behind it for example.

Even the uppercut, when I want speed and a solid hit, I'll throw the vertical uppercut in between the gloves. A horizontal one just won't go through.

I'm sorry if I offended you, but you just don't know what you're saying. If you're ever in Orlando, FL. I invite you to come down to the boxing gym.

 

[Spirit Breaker]

Because it is. I mean most of my own left hooks land vertically fisted. You can't always get a perfect punch in. But given the oppertunity to throw with perfect technique, the punch should land with your fore arm parallel to the floor and your fist horizontal. Then you, using your shoulder muscles, strap your elbow up, which rotates the fist outward

You're being very dismissive and I don't understand why. "Perfect" technique or not, the vertical position of a left hook is functional and I seriously doubt turning your hand over will vary the effectiveness of a punch.

 

[nastyleft]

Guys relax..... It's whatever is functional for the boxer himself. Its preference laced. Turned over fist brings more power because of the shoulder and torso turn being behind the fist. You power guys that like to hurt your opponent prefer to throw everything with as they say "something behind it". I can see you thinking "that's the ONLY way to throw a punch". But that's not entirely true. Turned over fist is not necessarily a quicker punch either. Sometimes you want to just get something in there to disrupt what the other guy is thinking or about to do; score some points, get his attention on something else you want him to think about...A jab from a natural body position or a slapping hook when he's not looking from a vertical fist position works fine for that. A lil snap-snap in a guys face a few times gets frustrating and he wants to start to avoid it sometimes more than a power punch. It's quick and unseen most of the time.

BOTH is the right answer here...LOL

 

[BluntTrauma21]

Seems like you would lose some impact that way. Don't you get more of a slapping impact than you would with the fist turned?

I always had a problem slapping with it when I didn't keep my elbow up. If my elbow was on line with my fist, I wouldn't slap. It always felt weird to throw it vertically for me, feels more natural with the palm down, but the thought process behind throwing vertically is that there's less surface area so you can fit it around the guy's glove when he's guarding his face.

 

[BluntTrauma21]

This is what I'm talking about with the vertical hook. Now that doesn't mean that guys don't turn their punches over after contact, but I'm referring to the position they have up until contact.

sorry Ricky.

 

[WatchMeDoMe**]

Watchmedome

I don't mean to disrespect, but you don't know how to box. Don't talk about how no much should be thrown vertically. Every punch could be thrown vertically.

Show different styles, I throw my jab vertically when I want to put more speed behind it for example.

Even the uppercut, when I want speed and a solid hit, I'll throw the vertical uppercut in between the gloves. A horizontal one just won't go through.

I'm sorry if I offended you, but you just don't know what you're saying. If you're ever in Orlando, FL. I invite you to come down to the boxing gym.

This is s joke. OK well I'll come to Orlando and you throw all your punches with a vertical fist and I'll throw them with a horizontal fist and well see what happens.

A decent trainer would yell at you for throwing that flicking, vertical jab. Would you honestly ever throw a straight right with a vertical fist? Maybe you just have shitty trainers, brah.

I know you love to tell everyone how much you know about "what's actually going on as far as the actual boxing", but I think you say that to compensate for the fact that you sound like your actually clueless when actually discussing the sports fighters and fights.

Sorry dude you're not the only boxer here. My guess is most of us have trained and competed.

 

[Sunfish]

It's getting a little pissy in many threads fellas. Let's not do this.

 

[WatchMeDoMe**]

It's getting a little pissy in many threads fellas. Let's not do this.

The dude gets called out because he's totally clueless about the pro scene and makes up for it by thinking he's special because he's had a couple ammy bouts and thinks he's Manny Steward.

 

[nastyleft]

A slapping vertical left hook around his guard is magical for the turned over right hand lead down the pipe!!!

 

[Sunfish]

I'm just saying I don't want the regulars slapped down here. Is all.

 

[BluntTrauma21]

A slapping vertical left hook around his guard is magical for the turned over right hand lead down the pipe!!!

super sexy combo, braddah.

 

[Seano]

It's getting a little pissy in many threads fellas. Let's not do this.

Get bent.

 

[Sunfish]

Get bent.

How's the family?

 

[mozfonky]

No punch should be landed with a vertical fist

do not argue with the genius of dempsey, listen to him first. He explains the vertical/horizontal fist if you take the time to read the book. Strange, dempsey was so ahead of his time and such a genius that people still don't get him all these years later. Anyway, what dempsey called the power line or what have you, the chinese called the center line in wing chun. Of course, landing a jab with a vertical fist would technically be called "slapping" in the amateurs. I've seen Hagler land some thunderous jabs with the vertical fist, watch the sugar ray leonard fight. both deliveries have advantages/disadvantages, i'm of the belief that you should have a full arsenal at your disposal as much as possible to choose from.

 

[mozfonky]

and insofar as hooks are concerned, great, great hookers have done it either way, tyson could demolish guys with the vertical fisted hooks, Joe frazier dropped ali with a long hook with a horizontal fist, kid mckoy I believe invented a wonderful hook where you turn it on impact, the "corkscrew" hook. I find for myself that if you're in close, the hooks they teach beginners, the proper hook with you're fist horizontal is perfect, further away you get, the less it works at least for me. the vertical hook does have way, way more snap for me but the horizontal hook seems to have more force behind it, different type of punches. there really is no "right" way great fighters have already done all the variations, horizontal/vertical and in the middle.

 

[WatchMeDoMe**]

This is what I'm talking about with the vertical hook. Now that doesn't mean that guys don't turn their punches over after contact, but I'm referring to the position they have up until contact.

sorry Ricky.

Like I said, its difficult to get in range to throw an optimal hook. Manny and Floyd are both outside fighters, so their hooks are going to be reaching. If someone put them in front if a heavy bag and asked them to throw a left hook with as much impact force as possible, you can bet they (or st least Floyd) would land with a horizontal fist, horizontal forearm, sitting down on the punch, left shoulder aligned with the bag, point of impact at the line created from their right shoulder, to the left shoulder, to the bag.

 

[Sunfish]

great, great hookers have done it either way

Go on...

 

[BluntTrauma21]

Like I said, its difficult to get in range to throw an optimal hook. Manny and Floyd are both outside fighters, so their hooks are going to be reaching. If someone put them in front if a heavy bag and asked them to throw a left hook with as much impact force as possible, you can bet they (or st least Floyd) would land with a horizontal fist, horizontal forearm, sitting down on the punch, left shoulder aligned with the bag, point of impact at the line created from their right shoulder, to the left shoulder, to the bag.

yeah that makes sense. I've heard what Moz said, if you're inside horizontal is better, outside vertical. Whatever works best for the person in question, I guess, when all is said and done.

 

[BluntTrauma21]

You know they say don't hook with a hooker, guys. Apparently the moral of the story is to hook alone. Pay attention ladies.

 

[opie]

Seems like you would lose some impact that way. Don't you get more of a slapping impact than you would with the fist turned?

no, it's less about the fist and more about keeping your elbows down

i dont have an explanation for it besides bro-science, but when you throw your left hook with your fist vertical and your elbow down (awkward looking and uncomfortable.. your wrist has to be conditioned to it.. it hurts at first), you get a LOT more power

not something i made up. my old boxing coach taught me that way. take it for what it is. i have above average power