Jack Della Lost the Fight When He Jumped D'Arce

[NicholasJBasile]

Let's be real, R2 was close.

Bassil landed the bigger shots UNTIL Jack started working the body - at that point, Bassil was almost done.

But Bassil pressed forward, shot a takedown, and JDM (ridiculously) jumped D'Arce.

He threw away an entire 2 minutes of a close round, and we're expected to score that round for JDM?!

Come on...

Jack's corner absolutely knew he'd lost.

I don't feel it was a robbery, but I did show it for Bassil for the reasons you explain

 

[MigitAs]

Jack's stream of consciousness:
"Let me try for a guillotine for the 3rd consecutive time"
"Imma grapple a guy I'm piecing up on the feet"
"I may be down 2 rounds but let me slow down this fight in the 3rd instead of potentially finishing"

Can’t see him beating anyone in the top 10 atm.

 

[markys00]

If effective striking trumps all than jack clearly won 2 rounds

 

[Saint_of_Killers]

@Siver!

I didnt realize it was even a controversial decision until Weasel put out this video, breaking down the "controversial" round two. I thought it was clear as day that JDM won rounds 2 and 3, with 3 probably being a 10-8 round. Weasel puts those points to rest pretty clearly in his breakdown.

JDM landed the harder shots, had way more volume. He won the fight, despite his terrible fight IQ(couldn't believe he kept pulling guillotine and going to the ground with the guy, even though he could've easily finished him on the feet in rounds two and three).

 

[DanAndroid]

Let's get a rematch with full camp for both fighters, I wasn't upset at the decision as it was very close.

 

[maximus__]

I think if Colby attempted 20 takedowns and only got 3 ( by jdm attempting foolish submissions) it's similar to this outcome imo

Those 3 were also in the first round... Nobody is arguing about round 1. Except that weirdo saying 10-8 Hafez...

People out here getting DC'd. DC was the one saying Hafez was landing the bigger strikes. If he was landing strikes and blast doubles into those ground control periods it's a completely different fight. Instead he was getting touched up on the feet and went 0-17 on takedowns in round 2-3.

He didn't do enough offensively to overcome a 2-1 strike differential in round 2 and nearly 4x in round 3.

 

[Lost_Cause]

I had Bassil winning 1 and 2. Could see if they called it a draw(maybe a 10-8 3rd rnd for JDM). But I definitely thought JDM lost that fight. And you could tell from his body language, he did too.

They both need to work on their gas tanks if they wanna be relevant in the division.

 

[Safton]

Let's be real, R2 was close.

Bassil landed the bigger shots UNTIL Jack started working the body - at that point, Bassil was almost done.

But Bassil pressed forward, shot a takedown, and JDM (ridiculously) jumped D'Arce.

He threw away an entire 2 minutes of a close round, and we're expected to score that round for JDM?!

Come on...

Jack's corner absolutely knew he'd lost.

Nah. Round 2 was definitely close, but Hafez simply wasn't active enough on top for me. That was a half-assed arm-triangle attempt along with some... uninspired GnP. The striking exchanges beforehand weren't total one-way traffic for Jack, but he was absolutely getting the better of Hafez and I rate his impactful scoring more than anything Bassil was able to show me on top. And I'm a guy who tends to score submission attempts and GnP pretty highly and who has been accused of having a bias for such things!

Furthermore, I personally feel that this is all a moot point because even if you do score Round 2 for Hafez (a mistake IMO) then it's not a loss for JDM... but a Draw. Round 3 was 10-8 material. Hafez nearly suffered a standing TKO, zombie-ing around clutching Jack's shorts to survive while eating like ten-punch combinations. He looked like Vettori in Round 2 against Cannonier in there. Him managing to rack up some brief top control time later on doesn't magically knock it down to a 10-9.

 

[textwarrior]

How did Jack lose the 2nd when he outstruck he by double the amount of both sig and total strikes ?
All the other guy did was control him for a couple mins. He didn't even score a takedown or sig strike on the ground. He only landed control time that entire round.

How did Jack lose the 2nd when he outstruck he by double the amount of both sig and total strikes ?
All the other guy did was control him for a couple mins. He didn't even score a takedown or sig strike on the ground. He only landed control time that entire round.

You really, after watching the fight, thought he won the first two rounds...did you hear DC ? oh yeah who cares...but did you have any inkling in the 3rd round...that Jack needed to KO him?..
He loss bro..
Good for jack
Did you see his body language before the decision...or how he talked to him after the fight was done?
During the decision..head down ? ready to lose?
Dude he lost the first 2 rounds...watch the fight again..the guy had his number cause he did not strike with him but took him down.
Am I glad he won? Hell yeah...Jack is the new guy to beat everyone...that guy is the next champ for sure
But, am I glad he beat someone or won against someone that beat him? Hell no...I will respect him for beating Jack and what Jack needs to do if he grows to win that belt in this division!k
...I knows its sheepdog...guys even if you like Jack...type 1 if Jack won...or 2 if he loss

 

[maximus__]

You really, after watching the fight, thought he won the first two rounds...did you hear DC ? oh yeah who cares...but did you have any inkling in the 3rd round...that Jack needed to KO him?..
He loss bro..
Good for jack
Did you see his body language before the decision...or how he talked to him after the fight was done?
During the decision..head down ? ready to lose?
Dude he lost the first 2 rounds...watch the fight again..the guy had his number cause he did not strike with him but took him down.
Am I glad he won? Hell yeah...Jack is the new guy to beat everyone...that guy is the next champ for sure
But, am I glad he beat someone he beat him? Hell no...I will respect him for beating Jack

Nothing you have written above has any impact on how a fight is meant to be scored.
DC saying a person who had top control in a round is the winner is nothing new. He does it every single card and is regularly on the wrong side of these types of fights. He gives the round to anyone who wrestles, he has a bias towards wrestling.
HIs body language again isn;t a scoring criteria. He just came out against a debuting fighter and lost his finish streak.
Hafez didn't land a single takedown after the 1st round? You can't actually remember the fight.

JDM outstruck him 2-1 in round 2 and had him visibly retreating across the cage from multiple body shot flurrys before Hafez landed 2 mins of control time with not a single significant strike thrown. Hafez missed the majority of his strikes in this round, landed no takedowns and got visibly driven across the cage in the striking exchanges before ending up on top from a failed sub.
Round 3 was a 4-1 sig strike difference and was a borderline 10-8.

If Hafez had actually landed any ground and pound, let alone ground and pound causing damage in round 2, he could have taken that round. Instead he held him in side control and transitioned a couple times. None of that was enough to overcome those flurries from JDM prior to the gorund exchange under any MMA ruleset. Learn how a fight is scored.
http://www.ufcstats.com/fight-details/3352c65f3f6d9b2a

 

[Safton]

You really, after watching the fight, thought he won the first two rounds...did you hear DC ? oh yeah who cares...but did you have any inkling in the 3rd round...that Jack needed to KO him?..
He loss bro..
Good for jack
Did you see his body language before the decision...or how he talked to him after the fight was done?
During the decision..head down ? ready to lose?
Dude he lost the first 2 rounds...watch the fight again..the guy had his number cause he did not strike with him but took him down.
Am I glad he won? Hell yeah...Jack is the new guy to beat everyone...that guy is the next champ for sure
But, am I glad he beat someone or won against someone that beat him? Hell no...I will respect him for beating Jack and what Jack needs to do if he grows to win that belt in this division!k
...I knows its sheepdog...guys even if you like Jack...type 1 if Jack won...or 2 if he loss

Body language is not a prioritized scoring criteria and I don't think "Stupid shit DC says" shows up in the Unified Rules at all.

Maybe I missed it.

 

[White lightning 2]

Let's be real, R2 was close.

Bassil landed the bigger shots UNTIL Jack started working the body - at that point, Bassil was almost done.

But Bassil pressed forward, shot a takedown, and JDM (ridiculously) jumped D'Arce.

He threw away an entire 2 minutes of a close round, and we're expected to score that round for JDM?!

Come on...

Jack's corner absolutely knew he'd lost.

I thought he won. Second round was close but he did more damage, not just lay on top of someone

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Have to be honest, I had no idea what DC had said.

If you'd asked me, I would have guessed he shilled for Jack. Interesting that he plumped for Hafez.

Not that it matters.

 

[NationWideNinja]

Just rewatched round 2 a bunch of times.

- First 2,5 minutes: close striking where both men land pretty big shots, Hafez even lands a pretty big hook that has Jack stumbling back briefly. Saying that either man won this first 2,5 minutes is nonsensical imo, as close as it can get, and if you were to give it to someone it would be a matter of 2/3 punches.

- 30 seconds: Jack pressures Hafez to the cage and lands a monster 5/6 punch combo to the body, then lands another big hook to the body, Hafez shoots for the takedown, gets stuffed, kneed to the body, Hafez gets up throws a 1-2 that misses, throws another 1-2 that decently connects. Hafez again engages the wrestling and gets Jack down for the final

- 2 minutes: where Hafez mainly lies on top and tries for a sloppy choke.

So yeah, 2,5 minutes of even striking until Jack secures the advantage with the big combo until he gets taken down and remains on bottom for 2 minutes. So def not a convincing round for either man honestly, personally I would score the second round a draw. I have a hard time scoring a big 5 punch combo over 2 minutes of control time, or vice versa. If I had to pick I would go with Jack because the combo was more significant than the control time.

My personal scoring was 29-28 for Jack. 10-9 Hafez, 10-10, 10-8 Jack. Not too confident on the 10-8 tho, havent rewatched the third round yet.

 

[gracie_barra_samurai]

Hafez might not have had enough time to get in shape for his high energy style, hence gassing out in round 2.

He would have probably won if he had a full camp, as it was clear that his takedowns weren't getting finished due to the gas tank

 

[Bradillac]

R3 was a clear 10-8 for Jack. Judges are trash.

 

[sonhow]

He fought like idiot but clearly won the fight. He pretty much beat the shit out of him on the feet and the newcommer only managed to get top position through reversals. Does that sound like effective fighting to you? Be a punching bag and just survive untill opponent does something foolish and ends up on bottom. Then you just lay in there for a minute or two not doing anything.

To make the point even clearer imagine the roles reversed. The new guy top 15 ranked guy fighting down on upcomming Jack. You think this guy looked good? I dont really think so. I wouldnt be shocked if this guy went 0-3 and to cut list. Meanwhile Jack gained some valuable experience before fighting the good guys. He cant do the same mistakes if he wants to do good. Up to him if he actually learned something.

 

[Mmmmmmma1234]

Like I just said in PBP, if Hafez was a renowned wrestler like Colby, everybody suddenly overlooks Jack's bodywork in favour of a pretty dominant round for Hafez.

Jack didn't lose to this fight. It would be a robbery to give Hafez the win. He was absolutely destroyed in the 3rd round it was some terrible judging to not award a 10-8 when you're hitting someone like a heavy bag that's in pure survival mode for five whole minutes stats have it 43-7 he was -900 in the live odds because should have been a cannot lose bet towards the end if it was correctly awarded a 10-8 at worst that close second only cost him a 28-28 draw.

 

[Mmmmmmma1234]

Hafez might not have had enough time to get in shape for his high energy style, hence gassing out in round 2.

He would have probably won if he had a full camp, as it was clear that his takedowns weren't getting finished due to the gas tank

I do kind of think full camp Hafez wins this and it might even be easy. Interested to see him next time.

 

[HeffDoesWant]

It was fucking brutal and doesn’t fill me with a lot of confidence about his future in the UFC.

Hopefully he uses it as a lesson. Could be a great help to him, because he is certainly going to hear alot about it in training.