Jack Della Lost the Fight When He Jumped D'Arce

[fenway926]

Damage trumps control. Even tho Bassil won the striking the first minute of R2, Jack highlighted the round with his combinations up until the 3 minute mark. Bassil needed some GnP to take the round back. He coasted. 2 minutes of LnP was and should be valued less than 2 dominant minutes of standup where one fighter is visibly affected.

also R3 clear 10-8.

that said, Jack with poor IQ going the ground that did make this fight a lot closer than it could have been.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

No. You need to apply the scoring criteria and judge the fight from that.
Damage or impact is the highest scoring criteria with acute impact being scored higher than immediate.
Only one person in that fight actually caused any damage in round 2 and 3. JDM clearly lost round 1 because his offence wasn't enough to offset 3 takedowns and near even striking.

If we only had control and no stand up striking I agree. Or if there was some actual fight ending offence on the ground.
Good effort but 29-28 JDM was the right call.

What I'm saying is, in order to draw that conclusion, you have to say JDM's 30 seconds beat out the 4:30 that Hafez won.

If you want to do that and own it, I respect it.

If you want to pretend JDM somehow won 3 minutes, that's a lie.

I'm not telling you what's right or wrong, I'm telling you my opinion.

 

[textwarrior]

Let's be real, R2 was close.

Bassil landed the bigger shots UNTIL Jack started working the body - at that point, Bassil was almost done.

But Bassil pressed forward, shot a takedown, and JDM (ridiculously) jumped D'Arce.

He threw away an entire 2 minutes of a close round, and we're expected to score that round for JDM?!

Come on...

Jack's corner absolutely knew he'd lost.

Look, he is 26, he lost to a beast that took him down and played rounds 1 and 2 perfect...that guy has great potential as Jack does...Jack..will re group from this over his opponent...I mean Jack has more tools at 170...sad how Jack just could not implement off this guy...like He is not at Leon or Usman level......well..Usman has Jacks number IMO...Leon..not sure..Jack will grow from this..I think Hazmat is a problem too...Usman and Hazmat and Burns..Jack needs to have better TDD ..in a 5 round fight maybe Burns.....but Usman no right now...this guy has potential...give him 2 years to learn from this mistake...

But was really cool from this fight...Jack was exposed on his weaknesses...and lets see what he does when he returns.

OMG he lost that fight...wth...really

 

[maximus__]

What I'm saying is, in order to draw that conclusion, you have to say JDM's 30 seconds beat out the 4:30 that Hafez won.

If you want to do that and own it, I respect it.

If you want to pretend JDM somehow won 3 minutes, that's a lie.

I'm not telling you what's right or wrong, I'm telling you my opinion.

You have this mistaken belief that it matters how much time someone apparently won in a round.

I haven't said the above at all. I said that over round 2 JDMs striking scored more than Hafez lesser striking and ground control.
JDM caused more damage/impact, landed more total strikes and had Hafez visibly reacting to his offence. Hafez just controlled him for a bit and landed a couple good punches on the feet whilst getting outstruck the majority of the exchanges.

I can't give him the round because he would have won in a catch tournament via pin. If he threw a single sig strike it could be considered.

All your arguments so far have nothing to do with how MMA is scored.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Look, he is 26, he lost to a beast that took him down and played rounds 1 and 2 perfect...that guy has great potential as Jack does...Jack..will re group from this over his opponent...I mean Jack has more tools at 170...sad how Jack just could not implement off this guy...like He is not at Leon or Usman level......well..Usman has Jacks number IMO...Leon..not sure..Jack will grow from this..I think Hazmat is a problem too...Usman and Hazmat and Burns..Jack needs to have better TDD ..in a 5 round fight maybe Burns.....but Usman no right now...this guy has potential...give him 2 years to learn from this mistake...

But was really cool from this fight...Jack was exposed on his weaknesses...and lets see what he does when he returns.

Oh I'll give him time, don't worry, my concerns aren't that Jack is a bad fighter, I just want to score fights accurately and be fair to the lad.

Sometimes being fair is removing a tiny bit of hype and over expectation.

I don't knock Jack he's great.

I think he suffered multiple weight cuts that's all

 

[textwarrior]

Oh I'll give him time, don't worry, my concerns aren't that Jack is a bad fighter, I just want to score fights accurately and be fair to the lad.

Sometimes being fair is removing a tiny bit of hype and over expectation.

I don't knock Jack he's great.

I think he suffered multiple weight cuts that's all

I can not believe he won that...nah..that was bad...I think Jack has all the potential ..but he loss that fight..nah...first 2 rounds the other guy won...so stupid....I mean be F honest assholes...I want Jack to go far but that guy beat him......I dont give a crap or know about that guy but he beat Jack

QUESTION....WHO WON THE FIRST 2 rounds...the OTHER guy did...stfu judges...

Whatever...I am excited about Jack ...but so stupid.

 

[Anewt]

I think he suffered multiple weight cuts that's al

I really really hope he doesn't try back up in Sydney. Too much abuse on the body and mind from the weight cuts imo

 

[Big Tuppy Hole]

The rules literally say damage over control?
You just argued for why Jack won...
Jack doubled his sig strike count and nearly got him out of there. 10-9 JDM based on Damage over control

http://www.ufcstats.com/fight-details/3352c65f3f6d9b2a

I honestly think alot of fans (myself included) forget the change in scoring criteria as we've become so accustom to old model.

But as it should damage Trump's control

 

[Spath]

Some of the worst fight IQ and grappling instincts Ive ever seen in a UFC fight

Shades of Poirier with that takedown defense. Always fishing for that guillotine and never getting it. Oooph

It was a draw (if you think 10-8 for the 3rd) or 29-28 for Hafez. Surprising, but that’s what happened.

Hespect for Hafez leaving it ALL in there. He was done halfway through the fight and still hung on. He has potential and looks the part

 

[omawho402]

100% 2-1

JDM could have got a 10-8 round two if he didn’t jump the kimura and get reversed like a fuckin idiot
JDM also lucky he has a chin. He wasn’t rolling with punches and took flush counter hooks all night.

he straight up looked bad everywhere
He absolutely lost that fight. Straight rigged

Refreshing to get an opinion that I 100% to agree with

 

[maximus__]

I honestly think alot of fans (myself included) forget the change in scoring criteria as we've become so accustom to old model.

But as it should damage Trump's control

Now damage whilst controlling...

Old matey should try that next time and he would be a top 15 WW on debut.

 

[maximus__]

I can not believe he won that...nah..that was bad...I think Jack has all the potential ..but he loss that fight..nah...first 2 rounds the other guy won...so stupid....I mean be F honest assholes...I want Jack to go far but that guy beat him......I dont give a crap or know about that guy but he beat Jack

QUESTION....WHO WON THE FIRST 2 rounds...the OTHER guy did...stfu judges...

Whatever...I am excited about Jack ...but so stupid.

How did Jack lose the 2nd when he outstruck he by double the amount of both sig and total strikes ?
All the other guy did was control him for a couple mins. He didn't even score a takedown or sig strike on the ground. He only landed control time that entire round.

 

[Fire Belly]

Are we still arguing about this? I thought the second round was clearly Jack's but I guess others beg to differ. Hefaz missed most of his shots while Jack landed



I'm pretty surprised that round 3 wasn't a 10-8

 

[Big Tuppy Hole]

Now damage whilst controlling...

Old matey should try that next time and he would be a top 15 WW on debut.

I agree, what's the point of having a dominant position if you do nothing with it

 

[usernamee]

JDM was wincing on the ground when he had that arm triangle locked up like it was the first time he's been put in that position

maybe he went into the fight with a rib injury or something...

or maybe he's just not what we hoped to be

 

[Anewt]

@Siver!

 

[ChimRichalds]

Like I just said in PBP, if Hafez was a renowned wrestler like Colby, everybody suddenly overlooks Jack's bodywork in favour of a pretty dominant round for Hafez.

I'm not positive that I agree with a Hafez win, but that's actually an interesting point.

 

[Anewt]

I'm not positive that I agree with a Hafez win, but that's actually an interesting point.

I think if Colby attempted 20 takedowns and only got 3 ( by jdm attempting foolish submissions) it's similar to this outcome imo

 

[kflo]

What I'm saying is, in order to draw that conclusion, you have to say JDM's 30 seconds beat out the 4:30 that Hafez won.

If you want to do that and own it, I respect it.

If you want to pretend JDM somehow won 3 minutes, that's a lie.

I'm not telling you what's right or wrong, I'm telling you my opinion.

My view is that JDM won the striking before the takedown by a sizable margin. It doesn’t matter what % of the standup in time was. It matters that it was clear who won the striking because there was much more damage and significance to the strikes by JDM. Did the ground control to end the round overcome the striking advantage? Again, not by the judging criteria, since nothing of significance was done to overcome the striking advantage.

My 2c…..

 

[ChimRichalds]

I think if Colby attempted 20 takedowns and only got 3 ( by jdm attempting foolish submissions) it's similar to this outcome imo

I agree with the outcome as well, I thought JDM did enough to win. It's just an interesting thought that @Siver! had. It's very possible that if it was a well known wrestler instead of Hafez, the opinion of people watching may have been very different. Who knows, it's just a thought.