Jack and Weili both did the same thing

[Aluminati]

Yeah, I can understand there being some disappointment resulting from the two title fights being one-sided decisions that were grappling-heavy, especially when we expected that both would be more competitive...but there were some pretty sweet KO's last night and half (7/14) of the fights ended via stoppage. Can't really complain about that.

Absolutely. Card was fire. Only boring fight I caught was Rodrigues vs Kopylov. I found some interesting things in the largely non-competitive fights. I was amazed how wrong I was on Islam's style would translate after moving up. I was completely wrong on Zhang's grappling. I thought she would be able to escape to her feet by the way she was brute forcing her way through all the hand fighting, but Val just kept regaining control. I also thought she would try to shoot more.

 

[ThaiSexPills]

No way, standups should be earned not given. It's enough that there are free standups at the end of every round.

Good point. Let them lay on top and do nothing for the entire fight off of one takedown. Brilliant strategy. I’d love to watch a guy cuddle another man for 25 minutes and do nothing. damn round ends…

 

[Aluminati]

Good point. Let them lay on top and do nothing for the entire fight off of one takedown. Brilliant strategy. I’d love to watch a guy cuddle another man for 25 minutes and do nothing. damn round ends…

I mean, have they tried just getting up? I think there might be a pill for that...

 

[Luthien]

To be fair no one would notice if belal was cut and never fought again.

Guess who is coming to a card near you, next weekend

 

[JKS]

I watch MMA because I wanna know who's the best, strongest, most complete fighter in the world.

Last night I saw who those fighters are:
Val easily beat the 2nd best SW of all time.
Makhachev beat streaking JDM in every area of that fight.

Makhachev and Val are the 2 most dominant and complete fighters in the world.


Also, I wouldn't call Val's performance blanketing. Val was beating up Weili in the striking as well. It's actually better for Weili that Val went for takedowns a lot beacause she would have gotten battered otherwise.

LOL Valentina is not even close being among the most dominant and complete fighters in the world. I can name 30 off the top of my head that are more complete.

 

[ThaiSexPills]

I mean, have they tried just getting up? I think there might be a pill for that...

This seems to be a more recent thing because in the past, it wasn’t nearly as bad. Khabib pushed the pace and tried to advance positions and do damage. But they realize refs won’t stand it up and they can coast and take zero damage now with no risks and coast to victory. It’s garbage and needs a rule change.

 

[MotorCityCobra]

Agreed…

No one is helping you in a street fight or a fight to the death.

If you can’t get up, that’s on you.

Rules of the game

noone has ever lay and prayed in the history of street fighting. everyone in islams crew has been in multiple real fights on video, they barely ever even attempt to wrestle anyone.

its sport specific, but me personally i dont mind it at all.

 

[Dionysian]

They lost to better fighters. They didn't really have much of a choice in the matter, so no need to hate on them for something they had no control over.

This seems to be a more recent thing because in the past, it wasn’t nearly as bad. Khabib pushed the pace and tried to advance positions and do damage. But they realize refs won’t stand it up and they can coast and take zero damage now with no risks and coast to victory. It’s garbage and needs a rule change.

Give credit to JDM for drilling brabo choke defense for 1000 hours as that is likely the only reason the fight went to a decision.

 

[Hog-train]

What do you expect them to do? You don't seem to understand what you're talking about.

Demian Maia said he doesn't think any BJJ fighter could possibly submit a guy like Khabib in MMA. That these fighters have perfected their top control to such a level that there's nothing you can do. If they choose to lay on you and go for pure control with a couple rabbit punches, you will do nothing because you can do nothing. If you try to force standing up, you will get your back taken.

This is why we need mandatory standups unless fighters open up with punches, submissions, or take mount/back control. That way we get exciting MMA grappling which creates opportunities for scrambles, which then allows for standups or even reversals of positions.

Khabib never relied on controlling an opponent from top control. He instead just beat the shit out of you with vicious ground and pound.

Khabib is not a lay 'n' prayer.

 

[Alpha_T83]

Khabib never relied on controlling an opponent from top control. He instead just beat the shit out of you with vicious ground and pound.

Khabib is not a lay 'n' prayer.

Yes you are correct. Sorry, I mentioned that in other posts.

I just meant to use that as an example that when you're dealing with Khabib, Islam, Khamzat, etc., typical BJJ tricks just don't work. You can't submit them, and you can't just scramble out from underneath them. You need to wait for them to open up and make a mistake, and then scramble to your feet. If they never make a mistake and never mount any offense, and just hold you there, there's nothing you can do.

But yes, Khabib especially towards the end of his career was just smashing people.

 

[chiefwiggum]

Only challenge for Islam will come from another caucus fighter.

If you haven’t trained wrestling since you were 5 years old - very high probability you’ll never win against him.

Volk almost beat him and he’s been knocked out.
He’s been fortunate with matchups as well

Having said that I’d take him over everyome but shavkat and Garry (unfortunately )

 

[Mind Mine]

What do you expect them to do? You don't seem to understand what you're talking about.

Demian Maia said he doesn't think any BJJ fighter could possibly submit a guy like Khabib in MMA. That these fighters have perfected their top control to such a level that there's nothing you can do. If they choose to lay on you and go for pure control with a couple rabbit punches, you will do nothing because you can do nothing. If you try to force standing up, you will get your back taken.

This is why we need mandatory standups unless fighters open up with punches, submissions, or take mount/back control. That way we get exciting MMA grappling which creates opportunities for scrambles, which then allows for standups or even reversals of positions.

The truth is we kinda sorta had that for many years until the refs mysteriously started allowing that dogshit to occur for certain people while mysteriously separating fighters grinding their opponent on the cage quickly depending on marketability of course

 

[AL-Tappo McSnappo]

JDM was broken


Weili was broken too

 

[BigTruck]

Guess who is coming to a card near you, next weekend

I wish I was coming this weekend

 

[TrueBias]

Sports entertainment. That shit was boring. It's pretty obvious that the majority of people thought it was boring.

Time will tell. But if this approach becomes more and more common, with champions just pulling Islam/Val/Almeida/Khamzat style blanketing, I fucking guarantee you we will see rule changes to prevent top control point fighting. It's not healthy for the sport and this isn't amateur sport. If you want pure amateur sport, go get olympic MMA or watch BJJ.

I sure as shit agree.

I suppose I can use the word here finally....
CASUALS that pretend to love the rules seem to forget fighters like Charles oliveria. He takes someone to the ground, its entertaining. Some fighters actually MIX it up to achieve finishes.

 

[linvillegorge]

I respect the skill it takes to completely neutralize and control a world class opponent but I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that there's any entertainment value in it.

 

[BlackNathan]

UFC is a business. They NEED to entertain to make money. What do you think the ad revenue is from the average Causus regions household is?

 

[CatchnShoot]

JDM got blanketed for 25 minutes in an absolutely shitty ME reminiscent of early Dan Severn.

Weili was just too small, and Shevchenko outstruck her pretty dramatically as well. Shev did damage.

The woman's fight was shitty, but a lot better than the ME. If you paid for that shitshow, I really hope you tuned in early 'cause that's where the real fights were.

 

[swarrrm]

I'm pretty sure their goal was to win, they just didn't.

 

[Alpha_T83]

UFC is a business. They NEED to entertain to make money. What do you think the ad revenue is from the average Causus regions household is?

Exactly. That's the problem with people claiming Islam is the most popular UFC fighter.

Maybe in terms of internet searches from muslim/russian fans. But how much of them actually buy PPVs, or will buy paramount+? How many of them will watch the UFC on CBS and contribute to ad revenue? The economic impact of these fans is ultimately pretty tiny.