Opinion I've been saying it starts at home.

[gspieler]

Let's say you have two groups that commit crimes at relatively similar rates, which is what most studies indicate.

You police one group less, so you reveal less crime within that group, and the people within that group is proven to be treated less severely by the system so in the end it returns less incarcerations.

The other group is policed far more aggressively and while police actions return similar per capita instances of crime in the the end crime is found far more often in that group. That group is also prosecuted more aggressively and is less likely to be able to afford as good a defense so in the end it returns more incarcerations.

The numbers returned by these actions indicate there is more crime in one of the groups and so that policing of that group escalates. It's a feedback loop.

And a perfect example of systemic racism.

It's why stop and frisk was hated so much. If you stopped white people as often as you stopped black people you would have revealed just as much crime, although you would have been a lot less likely to prosecute, because they're white.

If you want to discuss homicide specifically, here's my position.

Prosecute the symptoms to the fullest extent of the law but don't ignore the root disease. Address WHY it's a problem and maybe, just maybe, listen to what sociologists have to say about it.

I'm saying absolutely lock up murderers but don't just do that and call it a day.

So...a subset of the overall population is responsible for a disproportionate amount of homicides. But that same subset also commits non-homicdal crimes at similar rates to other subsets of the population? I haven't reviewed statistics on this, but that's a pretty big leap of faith to make, IMHO. Conventional wisdom would argue those two statements aren't compatible, in the absence of extraordinary circumstances.

 

[salamander]

Me: "In order to prevent children like that from becoming the next George Floyd we as a people need adjust our efforts from performative tribalized advocacy based on tired paradigms, to more concrete evidence informed advocacy that makes black youth the center-piece of that initiative. By the time your in your 40's it generally too late, or takes to much energy. More efficient to mould them when their young.""

@So Fresh: "I don't care if you're black and have had lifetime of activism as it pertains to Black/African people you talk about George Floyd too much and need to seek mental health! Only white people may talk about George Floyd because LeftWingGUD/RightwingBaaadaaaBaaaabaad. As a European who is obsessively fixated on his moral superiority in every single queefpost, your cultural dynamic doesn't matter unless it curated by me. Me! MEEEE!"

@So Fresh ain't had pussy since pussy had him, yet his trying dickmeasure a Nigerian about black Aspirations. This the shape of a racist paternalistic progressive paradigm drunk it own self-important bigotry

Let me say this to you leftwing racists in this likkle sub: You can't even touch me when it comes to African/Black concerns. But you will in turn get touched because this an argument you can't ever win.

 

[giusti825]

That or using protection.

Wherever that remains legal. Some states are talking about banning contraception altogether. Other states are discussing only allowing contraception for married couples. The Texas Attorney General has openly stated he intends to start enforcing ancient laws outlawing oral and anal sex, even among married couples.

So....protection illegal, abortion illegal, all sex but vaginal sex illegal. You dont kinda get the impression government is starting to fuck with shit thats none of their business? The government should focus on governing, not micromanaging family planning and bedroom conduct of individual citizens.

 

[panamaican]

Pretty on point IMO and the funny thing is that there are more than few 'basic' lefty 'Doggers as well, who are still trying to overcomplicate the fix for the issue.
It doesn't get much more simple than Family, Work and Education and only in that particular order.
Of course, it's much more comforting to talk big, seek culprits everywhere else, cry again for more funds etc.
Things work better when they're not complicated and honestly, the poor and the uneducated do not need some shit-talking social scientist to put these mascots on a pedestal to be catered by the system that doesn't fix the status quo and only makes them clients for the welfare state with the same gloomy outcomes that were always there.
But yeah, reality is a hard pill to swallow for the many.

Reality is a hard pill to swallow. For example -- if someone points out that people have been fighting for quality schools and quality teachers since the 1900s, some people struggle with the reality that the schools and teachers aren't very good. If someone points out that the generations of poor schooling and learning opportunities negatively impacted the opportunities to get meaningful work and that affects the next generation, some people struggle with that reality too.

The reality is that if you take a child, deny him/her a quality education and equal access to the work force, they're going to have fewer tools to create a stronger environment for the next generation. And thus whatever progress you get will happen significantly slower than if the initial problem was resolved quickly and sincerely.

Why people struggle to accept that is beyond me because they grasp the concept just fine when it comes to themselves, their parents and their offspring. They only struggle with the concept when it's applied universally.

 

[So Fresh]

Me: "In order to prevent children like that from becoming the next George Floyd we as a people need adjust our efforts from performative tribalized advocacy based on tired paradigms, to more concrete evidence informed advocacy that makes black youth the center-piece of that initiative. By the time your in your 40's it generally too late, or takes to much energy. More efficient to mould them when their young.""

@So Fresh: "I don't care if you're black and have had lifetime of activism as it pertains to Black/African people you talk about George Floyd too much and need to seek mental health! Only white people may talk about George Floyd because LeftWingGUD/RightwingBaaadaaaBaaaabaad. As a European who is obsessively fixated on his moral superiority in every single queefpost, your cultural dynamic doesn't matter unless it curated by me. Me! MEEEE!"

@So Fresh ain't had pussy since pussy had him, yet his trying dickmeasure a Nigerian about black Aspirations. This the shape of a racist paternalistic progressive paradigm drunk it own self-important bigotry

Let me say this to you leftwing racists in this likkle sub: You can't even touch me when it comes to African/Black concerns. But you will in turn get touched because this an argument you can't ever win.

Typical conservative victim mentality. I thought screaming racism was a left wing woke thing? You brought your ethnicity into it not me.

 

[SanchoMF]

Reality is a hard pill to swallow. For example -- if someone points out that people have been fighting for quality schools and quality teachers since the 1900s, some people struggle with the reality that the schools and teachers aren't very good. If someone points out that the generations of poor schooling and learning opportunities negatively impacted the opportunities to get meaningful work and that affects the next generation, some people struggle with that reality too.

The reality is that if you take a child, deny him/her a quality education and equal access to the work force, they're going to have fewer tools to create a stronger environment for the next generation. And thus whatever progress you get will happen significantly slower than if the initial problem was resolved quickly and sincerely.

Why people struggle to accept that is beyond me because they grasp the concept just fine when it comes to themselves, their parents and their offspring. They only struggle with the concept when it's applied universally.

I can totally agree that the level of schooling in the Western world isn't always top notch, it's a fight of most caring parents even in the Nordics to guarantee the best possible school for their kids. And yes, I'm talking about the countries with some of the highest level of public education that the world has to offer. (And another topic would be then, why we are we in a situation where kids get bused and why some schools get worse and worse..)
Anyway, fixing the educational situation might take generations and focusing solely on education won't actually take away the problem that there currently is : the baseline lack of understanding of family values and towards a caring family in so many other ways, the direct clientelism of being supported by the government rather than earning more from working and I'd say that then comes the improved education, specifically in that particular order.
One has to be much more than an average kid to break out from the clutches of poisonous surroundings through education. Kudos to those who can, but the most unfortunately can't and aren't equipped to do that either.
I think of this problem as fixing the baseline, moving to step two and then to step three.
There can be no harm for improving a bad family life for the parents and the kids, there can't be any harm for people improving their lives by earning wages and there's definitely no harm done by pursuing better education.
I just believe that the education itself is wasted, if the rest of the setup isn't supportive..

 

[JonnyBonesPharmacist]

We should really send a few more billion to Ukraine instead of helping our own people......That's the answer

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Expand social programs / after school programs
Raise minimum wage
Paid parental leave
Ease of access to childcare
Getting rid of red lining


Or the GOP solution:

Thoughts and prayers
Blame unrelated shit

We have after school programs, but that kid doesn't appear old enough to be going to school.

Will higher min wage and parental leave (I assume you mean maternity/paternity leave) help this child learn how to behave?

Redlining isn't a thing any longer.

Or we could try the Dem solution that liberal cities have been using for years without success.

 

[salamander]

Hey guys, c'mere for a sec.

Ethnicity isn't a pertinent touchstone in this topic, it's foundational. I'm using ideas and concepts as it relates to personal experience, my bias, my viewpoints to produce an argument to the OP.

Notice how So Fresh isn't addressing anything I have been writing in terms of solutions as it pertains to the topic? Not once in this back and forth has he even tried to make any.

Lets see what he's been doing here:

Why are you always bringing up George Floyd and BLM. It’s kinda strange bruh.

Well first of all I didn’t know you were black and don’t really see how that’s important. Second you seem emotionally invested, which may explain why you keep bringing it up, cause you’re likely traumatized by these events, which may make it less strange. Third, being emotionally invested often clouds your judgement (which is very clear from bringing up BLM at every instance). This may also explain why you believe in these CT’s about BLM, as them doing pogroms.

So my advice is to maybe find someone to talk to about these trauma’s cause it’s clear you didn’t really process these events very well. Anyway good luck with that.

Typical conservative victim mentality. I thought screaming racism was a left wing woke thing? You brought your ethnicity into it not me.

So he addressed my points by asking why I would think to comment on pertinent elements that pertain to the topic. And labeled it strange.

Then he followed up by dismissing any good faith motives behind my rational, made fact-free projections, dosed me with a bit of white-paternalism and then immediately closed out with the patent LeftWingGud/RightwingBaad paradigm, which I strongly suspect was the point all along.

I've long argued that hamfisting the LeftWingGud/RightwingBaad paradigm is toxic and oppositional to whatever it pretends to empower, and this is my proof. A European who claims left-wing tribal designation is telling me that my viewpoints as it relates to my experience is irrelevant to this topic. To have a keen interest and strong opinion is a product of pitable, unsettled mind.

What is relevant is "This may also explain why you believe in these CT’s about BLM, as them doing pogroms."

Now when you consider the deadpan autism of the threads he makes, and the troll angles he takes for the fights he wants to pick (invariably going back to LeftwingGud/RightwingBaad), how would you rate this rubbish?

Myself, I think exchanges like these actually do have value because it's shows the measure of my posts in terms of how rightly or wrongly I'm arguing or offering commentary about the OP.

With him, lacking any substantive rebuttal to my views as it pertains to the OP, his posts can only be a definitive measure of who and what he is as a man.

And that makes me smile.

Yo, leftwing Sherderati come get boi.

 

[So Fresh]

Hey guys, c'mere for a sec.

Ethnicity isn't a pertinent touchstone in this topic, it's foundational. I'm using ideas and concepts as it relates to personal experience, my bias, my viewpoints to produce an argument to the OP.

Notice how So Fresh isn't addressing anything I have been writing in terms of solutions as it pertains to the topic? Not once in this back and forth has he even tried to make any.

Lets see what he's been doing here:





So he addressed my points by asking why I would think to comment on pertinent elements that pertain to the topic. And labeled it strange.

Then he followed up by dismissing any good faith motives behind my rational, made fact-free projections, dosed me with a bit of white-paternalism and then immediately closed out with the patent LeftWingGud/RightwingBaad paradigm, which I strongly suspect was the point all along.

I've long argued that hamfisting the LeftWingGud/RightwingBaad paradigm is toxic and oppositional to whatever it pretends to empower, and this is my proof. A European who claims left-wing tribal dsignation is telling me that my viewpoints as it relates to my experience is irrelevant to this topic.

What is relevant is "This may also explain why you believe in these CT’s about BLM, as them doing pogroms."

Now when you consider the deadpan autism of his the threads he makes, and the troll angles he takes for the fights he wants to pick, how would you rate this rubbish?

Myself, I think exchanges like these actually do have value because it's shows the measure of my posts in terms of how rightly or wrongly I'm arguing or offering commentary about the OP.

With him, lacking any substantive rebuttal to my views as it pertains to the OP, his posts can only be a definitive measure of who and what he is as a man.

And that makes me smile.

Smile? Seems to me you’re almost crying. Like I said, I thought screaming racism was for left wing nutty’s

 

[SanchoMF]

Hey guys, c'mere for a sec.

Ethnicity isn't a pertinent touchstone in this topic, it's foundational. I'm using ideas and concepts as it relates to personal experience, my bias, my viewpoints to produce an argument to the OP.

Notice how So Fresh isn't addressing anything I have been writing in terms of solutions as it pertains to the topic? Not once in this back and forth has he even tried to make any.

Lets see what he's been doing here:





So he addressed my points by asking why I would think to comment on pertinent elements that pertain to the topic. And labeled it strange.

Then he followed up by dismissing any good faith motives behind my rational, made fact-free projections, dosed me with a bit of white-paternalism and then immediately closed out with the patent LeftWingGud/RightwingBaad paradigm, which I strongly suspect was the point all along.

I've long argued that hamfisting the LeftWingGud/RightwingBaad paradigm is toxic and oppositional to whatever it pretends to empower, and this is my proof. A European who claims left-wing tribal dsignation is telling me that my viewpoints as it relates to my experience is irrelevant to this topic.

What is relevant is "This may also explain why you believe in these CT’s about BLM, as them doing pogroms."

Now when you consider the deadpan autism of his the threads he makes, and the troll angles he takes for the fights he wants to pick, how would you rate this rubbish?

Myself, I think exchanges like these actually do have value because it's shows the measure of my posts in terms of how rightly or wrongly I'm arguing or offering commentary about the OP.

With him, lacking any substantive rebuttal to my views as it pertains to the OP, his posts can only be a definitive measure of who and what he is as a man.

And that makes me smile.

He's nothing new, just another pampered, cookie-cutter borderline anarchist troll and we have plenty of them around here.
I honestly think his brain fried a bit when he realised that you're black and wouldn't sit in his cartoonish vision of how a black person should act and think.
Keep up the good work.

 

[salamander]

Smile? Seems to me you’re almost crying. Like I said, I thought screaming racism was for left wing nutty’s

Hey guys, just a quick follow up on how the dialogue has been going between me an this dude who really wants me to knoe that LeftwingGud/RightwingBaaad.

-Once again, none of the points I have made the regards to the OP has been addressed. Just angry queefing followed by the reek of pure unadulterated impotence.

-Once again this Leftwing paragon of social justice been focusing on projection and LeftwingGud/RightwingBaad trope that's apparently the gravy on his potatoes.

Leftwing Sherderati, come get your boi. lol

 

[SKYNET]

Thats how you do it: Size fifteens yall!

His schick is officially over and it pleases me immensely.

thank you for your fine work here. It's voices like yours that will help us all get through these rough times

 

[salamander]

He's nothing new, just another pampered, cookie-cutter borderline anarchist troll and we have plenty of them around here.
I honestly think his brain fried a bit when he realised that you're black and wouldn't sit in his cartoonish vision of how a black person should act and think.
Keep up the good work.

It's always a pleasure.

When the world puts a Clown in your path, make Clown Soup.

 

[So Fresh]

Hey guys, just a quick follow up on how the dialogue has been going between me an this dude who really wants me to knoe that LeftwingGud/RightwingBaaad.

-Once again, none of the points I have made the regards to the OP has been addressed. Just angry queefing followed by the reek of pure unadulterated impotence.

-Once again this Leftwing paragon of social justice been focusing on projection and LeftwingGud/RightwingBaad trope that's apparently the gravy on his potatoes.

Leftwing Sherderati, come get your boi. lol

Yeah I thought it was already clear I wasn’t interested in further discussing this with you after my “pogrom” comment. But you kept on going somehow thinking you reached some kind of gotcha by calling someone a racist (what you guys always cry about lol).

 

[HereticBD]

Yeah I thought it was already clear I wasn’t interested in further discussing this with you

...after you found out that he was black, which made all of your ignorant white Liberal posturing...uncomfortable...

 

[So Fresh]

...after you found out that he was black, which made all of your ignorant white Liberal posturing...uncomfortable...

If you wanna join the convo, don’t start with bullshit statements. I’m not a liberal, dork.

Funny that you’re the guy commenting on this. The example of anti-woke “stop calling me racist” whiner.

 

[salamander]

Yeah I thought it was already clear I wasn’t interested in further discussing this with you after my “pogrom” comment. But you kept on going somehow thinking you reached some kind of gotcha by calling someone a racist (what you guys always cry about lol).

Hey guys, another update:

-He's still queefposting, while lacking the interpersonal competence and intellectual acuity to meaningfully address any of the pertinent points I've ever said in this thread.

-His incel-lation seems to be rapidly increasing along with diversionary Can-Tier face-saving. Once he reaches critical mass the resulting blast wave of ionized estrogen just might kill us all. Be warned

-Uppity black folk are making his anus-pussy all bleedy and his florid likkle pebble-nuts all achy. Give this boi some scotch tap, a sippy cup, and a coil of baling wire.

Leftwing Sherderati, come get your boi.

 

[salamander]

...after you found out that he was black, which made all of your ignorant white Liberal posturing...uncomfortable...

The thing is, it's not even my birthday.

 

[So Fresh]

Hey guys, another update:

-He's still queefposting, while lacking the interpersonal competence and intellectual acuity to meaningfully address any of the pertinent points I've ever said in this thread.

-His incel-lation seems to be rapidly increasing along with diversionary Can-Tier face-saving. Once he reaches critical mass the resulting blast wave of ionized estrogen just might kill us all. Be warned

-Uppity black folk are making his anus-pussy all bleedy and his florid likkle pebble-nuts all achy. Give this boi some scotch tap, a sippy cup, and a coil of baling wire.

Leftwing Sherderati, come get your boi.