I've been on these forums for 20 years. I've never seen hatred quite like people have towards Jon Jones

[Rio Ferdinand]

People either love or hate Jon.

But the one thing is for certain, they will ALL tune in to watch him fight.

Same with Conor.

 

[Domitian]

I get your point, I just really disagree. The way you phrased it just now underlines it, in my view.

"Make the situation seem worse" - by accurately describing what happened? That's not making things seem worse, it's just telling it like it is. Not mentioning the pregnant lady would be making it seem better than it is. Mentioning it is just neutral.

If people were suggesting that Jones indeed TRIED to hit the pregnantist lady he could find, then you'd have a point. But nobody is making that claim, we're just repeating things that did happen.

If I threw a rock over the roof of my house just for fun and it happened to hit my neighbour in the head, I couldn't complain that you were "making it worse than it is" when you described the situation as "stump threw a rock over his roof and hit his neighbour in the head." Inwouldnt insist that ylu drop the nwighbour part because all I REALLY did was just throw a rock. Consequences of actions matter and we are responsible for them.

Also, you're right. I was confusing Jon's vehicular crime spree with rampages vehicular crime spree. He also hit a pregnant lady and she had a miscarriage, though his lawyers successfully argued that rampage wasn't the cause of the miscarriage - none of this is mentioned to make rampage sound worse than he is, by the way

Fair enough take I suppose. It just seems extra to me and adds an inflammation with a negative intent to paint a worse picture and go further to attack a persons character. Not that Jon has great character, obviously.

 

[Stump]

Fair enough take I suppose. It just seems extra to me and adds an inflammation with a negative intent to paint a worse picture and go further to attack a persons character. Not that Jon has great character, obviously.

Yes, agreed. I see your point, and recognize that it does indeed add more gravity to the wrongs he did, but as the old saying goes, "if you don't want people on sherdog throwing around negativity-generating comments about your behavior, a great way to avoid this is to not drive around drunk and presumably flying on stimulants." Or something like that, I can't remember the exact wording.

 

[spinup]

I honestly can't think of any other UFC fighter that can compete with him:

Connor, Colby, Sean Strickland, Izzy, Ronda Rousey: All these people had hate, but it had more to do with their personality or social media antics, or it had more to do with their fanbase and their somewhat outrageous delusional and combative takes on here.

But Jon Jones I really see it tonight. People with deep rooted emotion want to see him lose and get hurt BADLY, and they will take any fighter who can do that to him.

I find Connor, Colby and Ronda all quite unlikeable.
But Jones brings it to another level with all the pompeous fake virtue and christianity BS. At least Colby and Connor assume their troll/bad guy persona and make it entertaining.

The undefeated aspect amplifies it . Jones having never lost despite some mediocre showings, and having blatantly ducked some tough competition makes me root against him more.

 

[TheBulge]

You are correct and let me explain to you why.

Most MMA fans have some sort of issue emotionally, usually connecting to daddy issues. So they latch on to cage fighters too much, it goes from fandom to obsession pretty quickly.

In other words they start to worship the ones they like and absolutely hate the ones they don't like so there is already way too much emotional involvement for a mere sport. The hate often comes from their favorites getting beat up by the ones they didn't like btw.

Which brings us to Jon Jones. He started out beating several Pride FC legends so he's had a target on his back from day one. He's not the first one.

The difference is, almost all of the Pride FC killers usually have their own downfall and bad losses eventually(Mir, Bigfoot, Cain etc.) so their hurt feelings have a process of some sort of sick healing.

With Jon Jones obviously this has never happened. He hasn't lost, and in the meantime he has only done stupid shit that gave these people more ammo to justify their demented behavior.

With Jones it has been a 15 year mental torture for them, that's why it's so bad online. And it's still not over. Tom Aspinall? HW belt being legit? Sports integrity? Please. It's all about finally seeing Jones lose. That's what it's about.

I am ashamed to say I'm an MMA fan because of this.

 

[Stagliano]

Yes I hate drug cheats who hurt women and children.

Children ? Are you talking about the pregnant woman who was in the car ? He wasn't even born. It's already bad enough without to have to hyperbole it lol.

 

[hymn]

I honestly can't think of any other UFC fighter that can compete with him:

Connor, Colby, Sean Strickland, Izzy, Ronda Rousey: All these people had hate, but it had more to do with their personality or social media antics, or it had more to do with their fanbase and their somewhat outrageous delusional and combative takes on here.

You don't think it's exactly that with Jones??
His scumbaggery spills over into the cage too with his flagrant cheating and now ducking and holding up the division so you can't separate the art from the artist, plus his nuthuggers are as delulu as anyone's, eg in the insinuation that people just dislike him for winning or in the bullshit justifications of him ducking the interim champ

He's the only thing that stopped himself from being celebrated as a GSP type figure, and just as you start to warm up to him for something like stepping up to HW he'll shit on the achievement himself with the Stipe/Tom cherrypicking

 

[JPOMMA]

For me, it's basically boiled down to: What if I did what [insert infamous person's name here] did? Could I just go about and continue to live my best life? If I abused women, did drugs, talked shit about people on camera, etc -- what would happen? Well, the answer is, my life would be ruined. So when I see people do those things, and they make more money, obtain more power, their supporters love them more -- it pisses me off.

But would you actually want to do these things you listed? You know they come back in the person’s face with a vengeance right? You’re seeing Conor’s physical and mental demise? Money just makes it just a bigger and harder downfall.

Is it that it’s difficult to imagine that the little bit of life we see from famous people is not the entire reality, it’s just a little piece, and they get all the same consequences that we get and worse? Like Jon’s kids don’t think he is a POS for hitting their moms? Connor doesn’t have a massive drug habit that will take him to the grave?

I think that’s why some of us can appreciate their skills and not be jealous or angry about the rest. However you live life is what you’ll get, that much is true on this earth. I can recognize McG’s skill at his peak, Ronda’s dominance and JBJ’s longevity. And I can also see how their personal lives are sh!t based on personal (yet public) choices. Two different things.