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Damn, that guy has been here for 22 years, defending every single garbage TMA in every possible thread. 22 years....
I don't defend 'every TMA' noob. Stick to talking about pads and stay away from talking about martial weapons arts.Damn, that guy has been here for 22 years, defending every single garbage TMA in every possible thread. 22 years....
These are both extremely dumb takes, filled with self serving conceit typical of people who only train MMA. So dry humping in spandex on a mat or gloved swinging in a ring became the standard for whats real in all martial arts? Really?
Yes, we know about kickboxing with sparring. We know about grappling. This is all well and good and effective within its domain. It doesn't qualify you to form an opinion though about realistic martial arts training with weapons. And Filipino Martial Arts are primarily about weapons, used and trained to this day by civilians, police and military there and in many parts of the world.
You fight these guys with a knife which they commonly carry in Filipines, even if you got one yourself, you will end up cut to ribbons and skinned and disposed of. Simple.
Your arguments are equivalent to "why don't I challenge Mike Tyson to a game of footsie. You see, he got no skills its all bs".
These guys will straight up kill you for disrespecting them and their arts, which is why there aint no "Mcdojo police" visiting like they do for Mall Karate.
I await the hurt ego tool responses, which are irrelevant.
This is Rafael Kayanan, a Kali instructor who choreographed the fight scenes in the epic move The Hunted.
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Sayoc Kali – A Historical Reference
Sayoc Kali - The official historical reference and timeline of the Founder and Creator of Sayoc Kali and Sayoc Fighting System, Pamana Tuhon Chris Sayocsayoc.com
You cant realistically put on mitts and 'spar' for everything in martial arts, and some things can only be done in real life or represented in film.
Here's some more silat BS for you. Guy ran a gym a very long time ago, teaching boxing, Muay Thai, MMA, Kickboxing, savate, BJJ, basically everything, although his primary skills and background are JKD, escrima and silat. If I remember correctly he was Bruce Lee's daughters long time boyfriend and trained under Bruce Lee and Dan Inosanto. Great stuff back in the hay day of American martial arts, but as we can see here, IMO the majority of these moves, techniques, are not practical.
I trained Muay Thai under this guy for like 6 months 20 plus years ago is this was the state of Muay Thai in America 20 years ago and the only people available "teaching it". Dude can't even kick correctly, it really was the blind leading the blind.
Filipino martial arts / silat stuff are still selling out seminars and gathering large youtube followings with their very intricate sophisticated moves that have never ever been reproduced under any type of pressure.
I wonder why nobody seems to be picking up on this
I've searched extensively for silat fighters in action. There are a number of recorded mma fights with silat fighters and they are just kick boxing. None of their other techniques work so dont even try to use them
I wish youtube was a thing back then, I would have realized the best thing to do was join a judo gym. Fancy moves that actually work.
- Hollyweird would ruin. Look Buster Reeves and how they ruined him on Nolan Batman!Dude would make a great Hollywood stunt fight coordinator
- I think that awesome actually!Damn, that guy has been here for 22 years, defending every single garbage TMA in every possible thread. 22 years....
- I do remember a show with that. think was Spike? Back in 2007, they showed that before Battle-Domme!There are people that spare w/ padded sticks and padded knifes. It gives the student some awareness that learning a million fancy techniques is not necessarily better than getting good at basics. There are some people that fight w/ real sticks and some armor. There are people that spar w/ heavy armor but I think padded sticks is better than that.
Inosanto blend got alot of people mixing Silat and FMA. Honestly, if you are good at double sticks, you will pick up Silat faster than most.
- I do remember a show with that. think was Spike? Back in 2007, they showed that before Battle-Domme!
I don't know anything about that. I'm just talking about people who spar at the end of class.
example
Dan Sullivan is an okay guy. He has a lot of snakes around him though. I have his Dirty Boxing videos and I attended a couple of the seminars. I did not like some of the techniques, but I thought there was some good stuff in it. The good stuff in it is really basic MMA clinch and some of the good stuff in Silat is in wrestling and catch wrestling already..which I found out when I did a deeper dive into Catch.
This sounds like some of the more fervent tma defenders on the forumThis is how I feel about people like Dan Inosanto: "a man who has no talent can be taught certain scientific tricks, but the process is just as lifeless and as uninspired as teaching a dog to jump through a hoop. It is even possible by using a certain intellectual hammer to pound above average knowledge into an average person, but it still remains lifeless and unproductive knowledge. The result of such knowledge cramming is a man who may be a walking encyclopedia, but who still fails miserably in every situation and at every crucial moment in life when he needs to apply that knowledge."
Here's some more silat BS for you. Guy ran a gym a very long time ago, teaching boxing, Muay Thai, MMA, Kickboxing, savate, BJJ, basically everything, although his primary skills and background are JKD, escrima and silat. If I remember correctly he was Bruce Lee's daughters long time boyfriend and trained under Bruce Lee and Dan Inosanto. Great stuff back in the hay day of American martial arts, but as we can see here, IMO the majority of these moves, techniques, are not practical.
I trained Muay Thai under this guy for like 6 months 20 plus years ago is this was the state of Muay Thai in America 20 years ago and the only people available "teaching it". Dude can't even kick correctly, it really was the blind leading the blind.
These are both extremely dumb takes, filled with self serving conceit typical of people who only train MMA. So dry humping in spandex on a mat or gloved swinging in a ring became the standard for whats real in all martial arts? Really?
Yes, we know about kickboxing with sparring. We know about grappling. This is all well and good and effective within its domain. It doesn't qualify you to form an opinion though about realistic martial arts training with weapons. And Filipino Martial Arts are primarily about weapons, used and trained to this day by civilians, police and military there and in many parts of the world.
You fight these guys with a knife which they commonly carry in Filipines, even if you got one yourself, you will end up cut to ribbons and skinned and disposed of. Simple.
Your arguments are equivalent to "why don't I challenge Mike Tyson to a game of footsie. You see, he got no skills its all bs".
These guys will straight up kill you for disrespecting them and their arts, which is why there aint no "Mcdojo police" visiting like they do for Mall Karate.
I await the hurt ego tool responses, which are irrelevant.
This is Rafael Kayanan, a Kali instructor who choreographed the fight scenes in the epic move The Hunted.
View attachment 1051639
Sayoc Kali – A Historical Reference
Sayoc Kali - The official historical reference and timeline of the Founder and Creator of Sayoc Kali and Sayoc Fighting System, Pamana Tuhon Chris Sayocsayoc.com
You cant realistically put on mitts and 'spar' for everything in martial arts, and some things can only be done in real life or represented in film.
I doubt he trained under Bruce Lee
Inosanto doesn't teach JKD, he teaches something he invented... Bruce didn't even like Kali\Escrima, he was a Fencer
Silat is not popular out of his country, thats why is not criticized, those people believe in magical powers