It's insane how small Shaq makes "giant" UFC HWs look

[jeff7b9]

Hong Man Choi was a pretty impressive specimen in his day.

You ever stand next to him at a urinal?

 

[jeff7b9]

How about people that actually like fighting rather than throwing a ball around? How's that for a trip? And people who do things because they're passionate about them are usually better than otherwise. Someone phoning it in for cash isn't going to take a rock hard fist from a born and bred gladiator. It'll smash them to pieces. It's about glory for these people. They will die out there. It isn't a ball game.

Look at someone like Brock Lesnar. He was never going to be a team player. His options were entertainment or fighting

Crazy disrespect for martial arts around here sometimes

Fighting more so than anything else...

Athleticism HELPS

It is not even remotely close to enough to guarantee any sort of success. Some people can take a punch and keep coming and some ain't built for that.

 

[Mickf]

Imagine young Orlando Magic Shaq with a decade of MMA training. The speed, power, and athleticism would be unmatched.

Even young skinny Shaq would still have to cut to make HW lmao

I remember reading if you are over 7ft and born in america. There is a 1 in 7 chance you will play in the NBA. Now of those 7 most are probably unathletic, don't play or have back / knee issues etc.
So if you are over 7ft and reasonably athletic you are very likely gonna be a multi-millionaire. Why would you bother with mma?
With all the concussions, injuries, no pension, no health insurance after and low pay.

 

[TheNinja]

I remember reading if you are over 7ft and born in america. There is a 1 in 7 chance you will play in the NBA. Now of those 7 most are probably unathletic, don't play or have back / knee issues etc.
So if you are over 7ft and reasonably athletic you are very likely gonna be a multi-millionaire. Why would you bother with mma?
With all the concussions, injuries, no pension, no health insurance after and low pay.

Ya, it's pretty crazy. I can name at least 4 guys this year alone that were drafted into the NBA. They are fairly athletic of course.

No large and/or super athletitic people are going to pick MMA even if they have a passion and love for it. If they are good enough to play basketball, football, or baseball, they are going to do that for a living and then just train MMA as a hobby. College football players are making more money now than like 95% of the UFC roster.

 

[muaythaibeast]

For losing a fight? No. Lol at the Khalil logic. He has no wins of note and lost every time he fought someone decent.


Brock made 265.




Dude is a joke until proven otherwise. He's gotta do more than face off with a fat influencer. The fact you're naming him proves my point. There's no one.

Brock also had to cut to 265, as did Bigfoot Silva, who was a good heavyweight, if not elite. Heavyweights shouldn't be having to cut weight, it's a ridiculous premise.
Sapp lost the Nog fight, but he threw him around until he gassed.
Similar to Sonnen after losing to Silva, putting on a dominant performance in a loss brings your stock up.

I'm not claiming Ford is an elite fighter, I'm saying someone with his physical attributes, or someone like Pudzianowski, would be a huge threat if they had spent time developing the skills.
Rico Verhoeven, Semmy Schilt, Nikolai Valuev are all over the weight limit imposed by the UFC, and at one point all have been top guys in their sport.
Big guys exist. We shouldn't be excluding them from competing in the sport for some arbitrary, meaningless limit that serves no purpose.

 

[pick999]

I mean Joshua is 6'6", 250+ lbs himself, but Ngannou held up pretty well size wise.

I have a feeling if either of them grew up in the US they'd have been snapped up to play football before they ever got to fighting.

He held up well till the fight happened

 

[pick999]

They should get Shaq in the UFC Booth sometime, verbal spar with Dominic Cruise and Bispig
But his voice is so monotone I have trouble understanding him sometimes

Yeah unless shaq is yelling its hard to understand him

 

[Clark Rogers]

Shaq is an insanely big human being, and he may look a little soft now but in his prime he was an absolute monster.

If you were a kid when he got started and saw his Shaq Attack size 24 Pumps you didn't forget lol. Dude used to tear down backboards at will.

 

[Daniel Henry]

So Shaq makes mma fighters look undersized and Victor Wembanyama makes Shaq look like a hobbit

 

[moreorless87]

He was impressive but he didn't have the same kind of athleticisms to go with the height. He literally moved like molasses.

To be fair people tend to judge him by his latter years but as with Bigfoot I think when he got the brain op in 2008 he really dropped off physically very quickly.

Prior to that he was reasonably agile for a guy his size, afterwards Mirko could just circle him lowkicking at will.

 

[Wilmer Digreux]

I know this doesn't go over well with sports fans, but basketball is not fighting, and great overall athleticism (the mythical and imaginary A-level athlete) does not mean they can fight. There are a lot of examples to support that.

Yeah but in a combat sport with a ground element like mma the kind of size Shaq has alone is enough to win lots of fights.

Look at what Bob Sapp did to Big Nog. I know Nog won, but imagine someone as big and athletic as Shaq, with a fantastic gas tank....imagine what he would've done to Nog.

 

[roganisonly5foot3]

I love Brock but the picture of him with Shaq trying to flex and look as big as possible is hilarious. He clearly doesn’t like it when he’s not the big guy in the room

 

[PeterGriffin]

I have know from some trusted source that while Shaq may be a big dude his dick is only six and a half inches so he ain't making many men look that small.

Shaq's dick is named Demetrious.

the problem is, i didn't see Wilt. i saw Shaq. all i did was HEAR about Wilt. i'm not saying he wasn't a beast, but he's damn near a Paul Bunyan level myth at this point.

all i hear is bullshit stories about how he slept with 20,000 different women? yeah the fuck right. do i believe he was swimming in pussy? sure. but half of America must be descended from him if that's supposed to be believed. then i hear he bench pressed 550lbs?! that is not believable AT ALL. 550lbs? with those spaghetti arms? and as long as they are? Shaq is like twice his size and Shaq probably can't even bench press 400lbs.

there's just too much bullshit surrounding Wilt, while i got to see with my own 2 eyes what Shaq can do.

dude, Wilt Chamberlain has NEVER been as big as Shaq, period. but hey whatever, he'd definitely beat up Shaq and everyone else at HW, 6 months training. jumping high and fucking 20,0000 women proves that i guess....

you keep acting like what i say is crazy, but you're over here trying to convince me a super athletic praying mantis is as big as a guy who would literally block out the sun if he stood in front of him. i don't know what to say buddy. Shaq is a way bigger man. look at his fucking arms, his legs, how long his torso is compared to Wilt.... how much he weighs is a moot point when you can JUST LOOK AT THEM BOTH and see Shaq is fucking huge.

i don't give a shit that "if he grew up today he'd be way bigger" sure he would, because there wasn't anyone way bigger than Wilt Chamberlain back then right? even though i just posted a picture with Andre the Giant looking like he weighed at least 200lbs more than Wilt.

So, because you didn't see it for yourself, that automatically discounts what everyone else saw?

Dude literally slept with thousands of women (I always thought the number was closer to 10k, not 20k but whatever). And Wilt didn't just run track, he did long jump, high jump and shot put too. Played volleyball later in life.

The pic of Wilt, Arnold and Andre? Wilt looks around 330 there. Andre's probably 440-450lbs. Yes, the pics are authentic, and yes, Andre and Wilt picked Arnold up when leaving the restaurant and they sat him down on top of his car. Just like a child. Andre got pissed off because Arnold paid the restaurant tab behind his back and just picked him from the table, and then Wilt helped out taking him outside, lol.

Wilt was freakishly athletic and very strong. Shaq might be a few pounds heavier, but Wilt would have made for a much better fighter. Better coordination and agility, faster, leaner, excellent cardio.

 

[blaseblase]

Brock also had to cut to 265, as did Bigfoot Silva, who was a good heavyweight, if not elite.

Like literally everyone everyone else does?

Heavyweights shouldn't be having to cut weight, it's a ridiculous premise.

Literally every other other weight class involves weight cutting.

Sapp lost the Nog fight, but he threw him around until he gassed.
Similar to Sonnen after losing to Silva, putting on a dominant performance in a loss brings your stock up.

No it doesn't because he has he didn't beat anyone. His greatest accomplishment is taking a smaller fighter down and holding him there for a while before getting subbed. Big whoop. He was not an elite MMA fighter and never was. If he were he would beaten someone worth a damn at least once.

I'm not claiming Ford is an elite fighter, I'm saying someone with his physical attributes, or someone like Pudzianowski, would be a huge threat if they had spent time developing the skills.

They don't exist. If they ever do we can talk about them and revisit this discussion. Until then it's a fantasy.

Rico Verhoeven, Semmy Schilt, Nikolai Valuev are all over the weight limit imposed by the UFC, and at one point all have been top guys in their sport.
Big guys exist. We shouldn't be excluding them from competing in the sport for some arbitrary, meaningless limit that serves no purpose.

"In their sport". None of them ever accomplished anything worthwhile in MMA, the fact these are the only fighters you can reference proves my point. Lol just stop my guy. Super heavyweight sucks and always has. It's the equivalent of women's featherweight if Cyborg and Kayla Harrison didn't exist. Until a fighter of that caliber emerges it simply isn't worth investing any thought into.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

Shaq's dick is named Demetrious.





So, because you didn't see it for yourself, that automatically discounts what everyone else saw?

Dude literally slept with thousands of women (I always thought the number was closer to 10k, not 20k but whatever). And Wilt didn't just run track, he did long jump, high jump and shot put too. Played volleyball later in life.

The pic of Wilt, Arnold and Andre? Wilt looks around 330 there. Andre's probably 440-450lbs. Yes, the pics are authentic, and yes, Andre and Wilt picked Arnold up when leaving the restaurant and they sat him down on top of his car. Just like a child. Andre got pissed off because Arnold paid the restaurant tab behind his back and just picked him from the table, and then Wilt helped out taking him outside, lol.

Wilt was freakishly athletic and very strong. Shaq might be a few pounds heavier, but Wilt would have made for a much better fighter. Better coordination and agility, faster, leaner, excellent cardio.

you damn right i gotta see it, unlike you i can't just take random people's unfounded claims as truth and like i've already said a million times i've seen him. i've seen him jump over a pole, play basketball, and lift a little dude in a tuxedo up. that's the extent of what i've seen. i have NOT seen him bench press 550lbs, fuck 20,000 women, leap over a building, and run faster than a speeding bullet.

him being a better fighter because he's agile faster and leaner? has MMA taught you nothing? if he doesn't have a chin, especially at HW, it doesn't matter how athletic he is he's leaving the arena in a box. i guess you missed the last 20 years of MMA where all kinds of pro athletes were getting absolutely chin checked by nobodies and fat slobs like Tai Tuivasa.

 

[LostMyBlackBelt]

Shaq will never be mentioned in the Kobe, Jordan, Lebron goat talk. He should be but he won’t be. Dude was a specimen. Having said that, Jordan s

”guy like Dennis Rodman” is crazy. He was a problem and would’ve been a problem for anyone but fair enough on everything else.

Dennis was a great rebounder, but I am just saying Wilt would not let a 6-6" guy win the rounding title, like Shaq did.
Hell, Wilt decided to lead the league in ASSISTS one year and did!

 

[wh4tttt]

 

[PeterGriffin]

you damn right i gotta see it, unlike you i can't just take random people's unfounded claims as truth and like i've already said a million times i've seen him. i've seen him jump over a pole, play basketball, and lift a little dude in a tuxedo up. that's the extent of what i've seen. i have NOT seen him bench press 550lbs, fuck 20,000 women, leap over a building, and run faster than a speeding bullet.

him being a better fighter because he's agile faster and leaner? has MMA taught you nothing? if he doesn't have a chin, especially at HW, it doesn't matter how athletic he is he's leaving the arena in a box. i guess you missed the last 20 years of MMA where all kinds of pro athletes were getting absolutely chin checked by nobodies and fat slobs like Tai Tuivasa.

Why do you assume Shaq has a chin and Wilt doesn't?

Shaq would be a better fighter than Wilt because he broke backboards? That's just fucking physics. Shaq's better because he benched 450lbs and Wilt can't bench 550lbs? If Arnold and Andre the Giant say Wilt is very strong, I think I can take them at their word.

When you start measuring the men (or women) you've banged by the "thousands", it pretty much doesn't fucking matter if it's 2000 or 20k. Bro had serious "of-all-time" game.

Most of the highly regarded "best HW's of all-time" aren't jacked skyskrapers. Seems like the most successful HW's are the ones who can hit hard enough and were smart enough to focus on technique and cardio rather than brute strength. Fedor, Randy, Mirko, Stipe, Nog. It is not a sport that endears itself to massive people.

Stefan Struve, 7'0" ( 13-11 in the UFC, hasn't fought in 4 years and still has fought more current top 10 UFC HW's than Jon Jones has)
Semmy Schilt, 6'11", (1-1 in the UFC, would have liked to see him tested further)
Gan McGee, 6'10", (2-2 in the UFC, meh)
Hong Man Choi, 7'2" (Never in the UFC, 4-5 in MMA, but he does have a win over A-level Jose Canseco)

MMA honestly just isn't the sport for money-hungry or A-level athletes, bodybuilders, or gargantuan-sized GSP's. If it ever does get to that point, it sure asf won't be in my lifetime.

It's heavyweight for crying out loud, almost all of those fighters have the power to put another person's lights out, except for maybe the UFC"s current champ. If you don't think being faster, leaner and more agile in a MMA fight makes you a better caliber fighter than your opponent... you have either never been in a fight, never been punched by a real HW, or you just don't even understand what you are watching.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

Why do you assume Shaq has a chin and Wilt doesn't?

Shaq would be a better fighter than Wilt because he broke backboards? That's just fucking physics. Shaq's better because he benched 450lbs and Wilt can't bench 550lbs? If Arnold and Andre the Giant say Wilt is very strong, I think I can take them at their word.

When you start measuring the men (or women) you've banged by the "thousands", it pretty much doesn't fucking matter if it's 2000 or 20k. Bro had serious "of-all-time" game.

Most of the highly regarded "best HW's of all-time" aren't jacked skyskrapers. Seems like the most successful HW's are the ones who can hit hard enough and were smart enough to focus on technique and cardio rather than brute strength. Fedor, Randy, Mirko, Stipe, Nog. It is not a sport that endears itself to massive people.

Stefan Struve, 7'0" ( 13-11 in the UFC, hasn't fought in 4 years and still has fought more current top 10 UFC HW's than Jon Jones has)
Semmy Schilt, 6'11", (1-1 in the UFC, would have liked to see him tested further)
Gan McGee, 6'10", (2-2 in the UFC, meh)
Hong Man Choi, 7'2" (Never in the UFC, 4-5 in MMA, but he does have a win over A-level Jose Canseco)

MMA honestly just isn't the sport for money-hungry or A-level athletes, bodybuilders, or gargantuan-sized GSP's. If it ever does get to that point, it sure asf won't be in my lifetime.

It's heavyweight for crying out loud, almost all of those fighters have the power to put another person's lights out, except for maybe the UFC"s current champ. If you don't think being faster, leaner and more agile in a MMA fight makes you a better caliber fighter than your opponent... you have either never been in a fight, never been punched by a real HW, or you just don't even understand what you are watching.

I know right. Thinking Shaq is so much better for fighting because he posted people up and dunked more is so dumb. Physicality in basketball isn't related to any fighting attributes at all.

At their size, speed, reach, and coordination is way more important. Chamberlain was better at all those things than Shaq.

This guy is unironically talking about Wilt Chamberlain being a myth but is basically talking like O'Neal is 400 pounds of muscle. Someone basically implied Shaq was 40 pounds heavier while he was "skinny" (in college?) than Chamberlain, which anyone can look up in a few seconds and see how ridiculous that statement is.

Chamberlain and O'Neal were alive at the SAME TIME. There are pictures and videos of them standing next to each other. Shaq did not make Wilt look small at all.

Chamberlain as an old person was playing ball with 80/90s MVPs in pick up games and still busting their ass. He is just as much as a physical specimen as O'Neal.

In before someone says "yeah, but hes wearing slacks, that makes him look huge!"