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That's fine, but I need a realistic plan, to not only stop runaway health care inflation, but start to reverse it.

Singapore has a private system, with heavy handed government price controls.

There are other realistic options, but none of them are tweaks to the system. It requires a massive restructuring.

Improvements to the ACA is MUCH more realistic then medicare for all.

I don't think that coming from you at all man. I do think that many politicians who oppose these ideas are bought and paid for or else so massively successful in the system as is that they don't want to see it differently. There is an investment in not seeing it.

I also think that playing life safely and being a part of the system as it without thinking deeply about what life is really about and about what kind of life it is worth fighting hard for and laboring hard for is a problem for a large number of people and it is a bit frustrating because it's easy to say this change will be too hard and too much work when your not the one who worked full time and had health insurance but went bankrupt because your wife got cancer......

I don't need these policies. I want them for the leste among us.

All good man.

I just think to myself that I agree with their concerns and I want them to work through them and come up with smart policy. But my concerns make me a neoliberal shill? Sure, sign me up!
 
also, people are delusional if they don't think he'd get destroyed by Trump and his cronies w/ simple namecalling

'bread lines are a good thing!' is literally all they need. Vacations to Moscow, numerous homes owned, etc..... Shit, Jeb was 'low energy' then what's Bernie?
 
Improvements to the ACA is MUCH more realistic then medicare for all.



All good man.

I just think to myself that I agree with their concerns and I want them to work through them and come up with smart policy. But my concerns make me a neoliberal shill? Sure, sign me up!

If heavy handed price controls were so easy to pass with the state of lobbying and campaign finance in this country, it would have been in Obamacare.

Without those price controls, the ACA is not a viable path to reverse health care inflation.
 
Improvements to the ACA is MUCH more realistic then medicare for all.



All good man.

I just think to myself that I agree with their concerns and I want them to work through them and come up with smart policy. But my concerns make me a neoliberal shill? Sure, sign me up!


I think you could benefit from hearing commentary on a regular basis from some other perspectives is all man.


I am quite sure of one thing. Corporate owned media is biased towards the establishment and it is often unconscious-not a conspiracy. The bias is there. When I started to listen to both I found for myself that the bullshit is pretty easy to see in corporate media.

Establishment dems are the same IMO. When I started looking into who they get their money from and what positions they hold I started to smell a rat-- often. They are lying mother fu$#ers for the most part and are not even trying to present the issues that people want. Instead they are trying to sell issues that big business wants to the people.

The people want progressive issues by a large majority. It is interesting to me that few politicians fight for those issues.....
 
also, people are delusional if they don't think he'd get destroyed by Trump and his cronies w/ simple namecalling

'bread lines are a good thing!' is literally all they need. Vacations to Moscow, numerous homes owned, etc..... Shit, Jeb was 'low energy' then what's Bernie?


Trumps crap won't stick to Bernie IMO. He is too true and is NOT corrupt. Throwing all that at him is going to backfire. That is my take at least. Shit slinging works when both candidates are mired in shit. It wont work on Bernie.
 
I think you coudl benefitt from heaing comentary on a regualr basis from some otgher perspectives is all man.


I am quite sure of one thing. Corporate owned media is biased towards the establishment and it is often unconscious-not a conspiracy. The bias is there. When I started to listen to both I found for myself that the bullshit is pretty easy to see in corporate media.

Establishment dems are the same IMO. When I started looking into who they get their money from and what positions they hold I started to smell a rat-- often. They are lying mother fu$#ers for the most part and are not even trying to present the issues that people want. Instead they are trying to sell issues that big business wants to the people.

The people want progressive issues by a large majority. It is interesting to me that few politicians fight for those issues.....
I really try to do that. I follow conservatives and liberals on social media and try to read various news sources.

I'm just saying it's ok to be skeptical about a huge overhaul of a massive and complex industry!
 
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I really try to do that. I follow conservatives and liberals on social media and try to read various news sources.

I'm just saying it's ok to be skeptical about a huge overhaul of a massive and complex industry!


If you are informed and that's how you feel then vote your conscience. I support our democracy and you as a citizen.

I challenge you to listen to "Secular Talk" for six months and see if your mind has not changed though. It changed mine drastically and I never stopped taking in other sources the whole time. The contrast was quite eye opening.
 
No way the Dem’s allow this old white straight male to get the nomination. He’s wasting his time oh he’s bad s**t crazy too
 
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He's got a slim chance in the primary due to the younger candidates but he'll at least push them all to stick to progressive platforms.
Nobody will be forced to stick to progressive platforms, they'll just be forced to lie about a progressive platform to the public while they reassure they're donors that they're going full neoliberal if/when they get elected. You know like "private and public positions".
 
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it is also morally corrupt and damaging for the super wealthy to have the kind of money they do and the power it can buy.
I disagree. Job in the Old Testament was incredibly wealthy. He was not morally corrupt either.

Job's wealth in the Old Testament. God described Job as "blameless, upright" and "fearing God, and turning away from evil. There is no one like him on the earth."

Job owned " seven thousand sheep, three thousand camels, five hundred yoke of oxen and five hundred donkeys, and had a large number of servants. He was the greatest man among all the people of the East."

An online source said Job would be worth 56 million dollars today.
 
I disagree. Job in the Old Testament was incredibly wealthy. He was not morally corrupt either.

Job's wealth in the Old Testament. God described Job as "blameless, upright" and "fearing God, and turning away from evil. There is no one like him on the earth."

Job owned " seven thousand sheep, three thousand camels, five hundred yoke of oxen and five hundred donkeys, and had a large number of servants. He was the greatest man among all the people of the East."

An online source said Job would be worth 56 million dollars today.


So you are quoting the outliers from the old testament. Why not mention Solomon too? You haven't posted anything new to me RIP as usuall.

How many quotes from Jesus-- the master and saviour and God incarnate shall we bring up about wealth and the dangers of wealth though?

Also in defense of himself against his friends and counselors while trying to figure out why such calamity had befallen him Job said that he never once allowed someone in need to go without. I believe him. HIs friends seemed sure he had turned his back on at least some.... they seemed to think that would be quite greviouse. How do you think Job would fair in the internet age when he discovered that millions were starving to death? I think just as well-- but he would not be as rich either.
 
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All jokes aside, putting all your faith in a specific politician instead of simply policies you believe will improve the country can be quite dangerous. We have to be objective and honest about each politicians strengths and faults or we all will become disappointed in the results.
The problem is that all other politicians have proven to be absolute charlatans who stand for nothing.
Sanders has a lengthy record of integrity and being on the right side of issues to back him up.
Not only that, but he has clearly identified the major issues facing this country (wish he was better on FP, but he's still better than most, if not all, other candidates).
 
So the answer is to destroy people’s savings again?
Rob, I think you're mistaking Bernie's Democratic Socialism for the USSR's. You should really think more Scandinavia than Communist Block when regarding his positions.
 
Respectfully, I disagree with this characterization. Leaving partisanship aside there are serious concerns about Bernie's proposals. $15 MW is probably too high for most of the country and would do damage, breaking up the big banks would be disastrous, there are legitimate questions about universal healthcare, free college may actually be very problematic, etc..

I don't think it's fair to classify good faith disagreement as "corporate dems" or something. It's a form of the True Scotsman fallacy which leads people to vote for Trump out of spite when Bernie lost, for example. Is Klobachar a "corporate dem" or not a real Democrat because she's worried about what a single payer/medicare for all plan would do to our system? Or the practicality of implementing and sustaining it?
Why would breaking up the big banks be disastrous? Please be specific.
 
Rob, I think you're mistaking Bernie's Democratic Socialism for the USSR's. You should really think more Scandinavia than Communist Block when regarding his positions.

I don’t think he’s trying to go completely Red State, but there is little doubt his goal is to radically transform the US Economy. His stated goals would have a direct and drastic impact on banking regulations and thereby ordinary Americans savings.

I don’t disagree with saying banking needs to be regulated. However, because of the impact on real people, incrementalism is the best way here. Also, I firmly believe socialism has no place in America and disagree with Bern on nearly all points.
 
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With no clue how to pass the necessary legislation...
Yes, the man who pretty much single handedly forced Amazon to raise their minimum wage last year, by creating the Stop BEZOS Act, doesn't know how to pass necessary legislation... He has a decades old voting record and has introduced more bills than most in the Senate.
 
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