Economy It pisses me off that Liberals do not want to cut the budget AT ALL

[UberHere]

You idiots want to cut government spending without having a plan who will get this money. Will you be getting the tax breaks or will it be someone else?

It’s mind boggling how Americans want rich people to get richer while you get nothing in return. It’s so lost on where countries even like China have better infrastructure than America and yet the populace is so happy living in squalor as long as they don’t see a non white lol

Blithering

 

[UberHere]

The irony of that comment is so delicious I might skip breakfast.

You’d be better to skip the internet. That shit broke you

 

[Darkavius]

I just dropped a similar post in the thread. No one ever really responds to it or takes up the ideas there. For a group of people that allegedly doesn’t trust the government, they sure seem to trust them more than I do.

The way I read it from most conservatives post is they just want government to do something, and to their point I can kind of see where they are coming from to an extent. As you are aware anytime Dems become President when the left wants substantial changes (i.e. increase in the Federal Minimum Wage or cuts to support to Israel) the left usually gets a "I'm trying but there's not much I can do without the support of Congress." I mean look at the crap job Hakeem Jeffries is doing as a representative of the Dem Party going "What leverage do we have?"

One of my biggest issues with conservatives is why do they keep falling for the ploy that the richest people in the world are going to help them? Every time a Republican gets in office since Reagan, probably longer, they always cut taxes and then after they cut taxes and "eliminate waste" all of their 4 years or 8 years ends in a recession. I hear conservatives talk about cutting every 4 years but can at least one Republican run on improving an existing service without cutting?

We still have a massive healthcare issue in this country and in almost 10 years I have yet to see a single conservative representative come up with an idea to fix healthcare other than the "free market" which is back to square one.

 

[jk7707]

The government spending is bloated and liberals are really pushing people in the middle towards the right. Spending cuts is pretty much the only positive thing I was looking forward to in the Trump administration and liberals are fighting tooth and nail to prevent ANYTHING from getting cut. The one thing liberals are good at is pushing people away from their party.

What? There have been plenty of Democrats that initially expressed agreement about working with DOGE in good faith to look at places today make cuts to improve efficiency.

The reality is, what Musk and Trump have been doing has been blatantly ILLEGAL. Shuttering whole agencies themselves based on lies they came up, and trying to intimidate as many federal employees into quitting as possible, isn't legal and it's most definitely not acting in good faith.

 

[Andy Capp]

Look in a mirror and read these posts again.

I think its pretty clear most americans were not really aware of just what their money was being spent on. Most people trying to get by probably aren't looking for statistics on a government website.
I'd say the difference between GAO and Musk is that Musk is looking to identify waste.

Not sure why I expected a good faith answer. Lesson learned.

The point is the GAO already does what "DOGE" is purported to do and they do it legally. What Musk is doing is not legal. I don't think it's all that hard to understand.

And again, he's not exposing a fucking thing. He's pointing to certain government spending, misrepresenting it, and manufacturing outrage. The premise of the thread is dishonest. Plain and simple. Your expectation of good faith while eagerly supporting it cracks me right the fuck up.

You can go back to patting each other on the back now

 

[Andy Capp]

You’d be better to skip the internet. That shit broke you

See my post immediately above.

 

[Seano]

Look in a mirror and read these posts again.




The point is the GAO already does what "DOGE" is purported to do and they do it legally. What Musk is doing is not legal. I don't think it's all that hard to understand.

And again, he's not exposing a fucking thing. He's pointing to certain government spending, misrepresenting it, and manufacturing outrage. The premise of the thread is dishonest. Plain and simple. Your expectation of good faith while eagerly supporting it cracks me right the fuck up.

You can go back to patting each other on the back now

That may be their purpose but its not what they do, thus the outrage. I mean, the difference is pretty obvious. One is looking to eliminate waste, the other wants to document it.
What outcome we actually get remains to be seen, but as of now, the people are feeling empowered and like part of the process. That is brand new.

 

[Andy Capp]

What? There have been plenty of Democrats that initially expressed agreement about working with DOGE in good faith to look at places today make cuts to improve efficiency.

The reality is, what Musk and Trump have been doing has been blatantly ILLEGAL. Shuttering whole agencies themselves based on lies they came up, and trying to intimidate as many federal employees into quitting as possible, isn't legal and it's most definitely not acting in good faith.

Yeah, it's funny how hard it is to get people here to understand/admit that they're condoning it.

 

[SalvadorAllende]

It seems people have short memories. How many trillions of dollars did Trump add to the total debt the first time around? How much did he increase deficit spending? It is disingenuous to pretend Republicans want a smaller government when that has not been the case.

"The growth in the annual deficit under Trump ranks as the third-biggest increase, relative to the size of the economy, of any U.S. presidential administration, according to a calculation by a leading Washington budget maven, Eugene Steuerle, co-founder of the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center. And unlike George W. Bush and Abraham Lincoln, who oversaw the larger relative increases in deficits, Trump did not launch two foreign conflicts or have to pay for a civil war."

.....
"Trump had the third-biggest primary deficit growth, 5.2% of GDP, behind only George W. Bush (11.7%) and Abraham Lincoln (9.4%). Bush, of course, not only passed a big tax cut, as Trump has, but also launched two wars, which greatly inflated the defense budget. Lincoln had to pay for the Civil War. By contrast, Trump’s wars have been almost entirely of the political variety."

Donald Trump Built a National Debt So Big (Even Before the Pandemic) That It’ll Weigh Down the Economy for Years

The “King of Debt” promised to reduce the national debt — then his tax cuts made it surge. Add in the pandemic, and he oversaw the third-biggest deficit increase of any president.

www.propublica.org

Fiscal Data Explains the National Deficit

Check out @FiscalService Fiscal Data’s new national deficit page! #NationalDeficit

fiscaldata.treasury.gov

On a political aspect.. trumps kinds of reminds me of Peron here
He can swift around his policies from a mandate to another and folks will still support hi.

Hopefully he cuts expenses tho. I think some cleaning has to happen there

 

[BFoe]

That may be their purpose but its not what they do, thus the outrage. I mean, the difference is pretty obvious. One is looking to eliminate waste, the other wants to document it.
What outcome we actually get remains to be seen, but as of now, the people are feeling empowered and like part of the process. That is brand new.

It isn’t brand new though. Clinton and Gore did this really effectively. Reagan’s Grace Commission did it really ineffectively.

Presidential Reform Commissions: Be Gore, Not Grace | The Foundation for American Innovation

The Foundation for American Innovation.

www.thefai.org

What seems to be new is that rather than making recommendations to Congress—they’re the ones with the power of the purse according to the Constitution, after all—they are making recommendations to POTUS, who is unilaterally trying to bypass Congress—and breaking other laws along the way.
That’s quite an innovation, and one that we shouldn’t tolerate.

 

[Andy Capp]

That may be their purpose but its not what they do, thus the outrage. I mean, the difference is pretty obvious. One is looking to eliminate waste, the other wants to document it.
What outcome we actually get remains to be seen, but as of now, the people are feeling empowered and like part of the process. That is brand new.

Of course it's what they do. I already posted information about what they have been doing in the original DOGE thread. Your response was "...people don't go to websites..." It's meaningless. The issue is opposition to this illegal activity being misrepresented as bad faith obstruction and disloyalty. I have made this clear more than once.

You keep shifting goal posts because you support government corruption as long as it's your team and then call other people hypocrites.

ITT we've gone from liberals don't want to make the government less wasteful to 'well it's ok that DOGE is redundant because they're actually getting things done' to 'it's fine that what they're doing is illegal because reasons'. This is not about what the people feel. This is about the rule of law, which Trump and DOGE are trampling all over. Why do you keep ignoring that?

 

[Seano]

It isn’t brand new though. Clinton and Gore did this really effectively. Reagan’s a Grace Commission did it really ineffectively.

Presidential Reform Commissions: Be Gore, Not Grace | The Foundation for American Innovation

The Foundation for American Innovation.

www.thefai.org

What seems to be new is that rather than making recommendations to Congress—they’re the ones with the power of the purse according to the Constitution, after all—they are making recommendations to POTUS, who is unilaterally trying to bypass Congress—and breaking other laws along the way.
That’s quite an innovation, and one that we shouldn’t tolerate.

Your link says the Grace commission was not effective at all BECAUSE of congress.

.....Unfortunately, these recommendations were largely ignored; as the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library admits, "Most of the recommendations, especially those requiring legislation from Congress, were never implemented."

That said, I doubt we were funding transgender dance parties in Yemen back then either.

 

[Seano]

Of course it's what they do. I already posted information about what they have been doing in the original DOGE thread. Your response was "...people don't go to websites..." It's meaningless. The issue is opposition to this illegal activity being misrepresented as bad faith obstruction and disloyalty. I have made this clear more than once.

You keep shifting goal posts because you support government corruption as long as it's your team and then call other people hypocrites.

ITT we've gone from liberals don't want to make the government less wasteful to 'well it's ok that DOGE is redundant because they're actually getting things done' to 'it's fine that what they're doing is illegal because reasons'. This is not about what the people feel. This is about the rule of law, which Trump and DOGE are trampling all over. Why do you keep ignoring that?

Its not what they do or else we wouldn't be funding so much nonsense. You see the difference as clear as I do, you're just being obtuse.

 

[GrantB13]

They don't want DOGE checking records because they will discover all the money laundering they have done.

Do you believe that the Republican party has never ever wasted money on anything and they can crawl through shit and come out sparkly clean? How long has this problem been going on? How many times has the government changed hands. And only NOW because Trump riled everyone up they just assume they are innocent and the Democrats are the only ones breaking the rules?

 

[Seano]

Do you believe that the Republican party has never ever wasted money on anything and they can crawl through shit and come out sparkly clean? How long has this problem been going on? How many times has the government changed hands. And only NOW because Trump riled everyone up they just assume they are innocent and the Democrats are the only ones breaking the rules?

You really need to stop looking at it as us vs them. This is my money and yours being wasted. Who cares what party has also done it before? If it doesn't benefit Americans, ax it.

 

[BFoe]

Your link says the Grace commission was not effective at all BECAUSE of congress.



That said, I doubt we were funding transgender dance parties in Yemen back then either.

I haven’t seen any proof that we’re funding it now. All I see them doing is pointing out random things that are already public from like, USAspending.gov, and then telling us what it supposedly is being spent on, and presenting it like they uncovered waste.

I keep asking to see where exactly in the federal budget these things are, where are the paperwork/recepits, where are the spending bills that authorize it—but DOGE never shows us.

 

[BFoe]

You really need to stop looking at it as us vs them. This is my money and yours being wasted. Who cares what party has also done it before? If it doesn't benefit Americans, ax it.

No, we all need to start looking at it like Us (the 99%) vs Them (the 1%).
These billionaires have you and I arguing with each other while they fleece the shit out of us both.

 

[GrantB13]

You really need to stop looking at it as us vs them. This is my money and yours being wasted. Who cares what party has also done it before? If it doesn't benefit Americans, ax it.

I agree. But unfortunately when you comes to politics nobody can talk about the topic without speaking ill of the other side. Particularly now with Trump in office. It's always "the libs". It just gets very old. I was around people when some school shooting news broke and the first thing I hear someone say is "I bet it was a libtard". I don't want to try to claim superiority of anything like that, but I try to curb myself of that type of rhetoric by talking about the problem itself and not about the party behind it. If Biden says he wants to lower taxes or Trump says he wants to lower taxes it doesn't matter where it comes from if it makes sense.

I just can't help myself but try to call out posts when it's "the other side" always to blame. I wish others could be the same.

 

[GrantB13]

No, we all need to start looking at it like Us (the 99%) vs Them (the 1%).
These billionaires have you and I arguing with each other while they fleece the shit out of us both.

This is true too. We're divided against the government which in turn divides us against each other.

 

[BFoe]

This is true too. We're divided against the government which in turn divides us against each other.

It’s absolute insanity that half the country is willing to stand by while they gut consumer financial protection, OSHA, Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security…meanwhile all the government waste resides with them and their tax loopholes, government subsidies, and tax cuts.