Economy It pisses me off that Liberals do not want to cut the budget AT ALL

[Cid]

That's even besides the argument that government should acquire 90% of what someone earns.

No need to worry then as the vast majority of billionaires earn under 200k per year.

earn
verb
to receive money as payment for work that you do:
I earn $80,000 a year.

to get something that you deserve:
It's been a tough six months and I feel I've earned a few weeks off

Can't do much taxing earnings.

 

[deviake]

No need to worry then as the vast majority of billionaires earn under 200k per year.

earn
verb
to receive money as payment for work that you do:
I earn $80,000 a year.

to get something that you deserve:
It's been a tough six months and I feel I've earned a few weeks off

Can't do much taxing earnings.

Yep, gotta go after their assets somehow

 

[Loiosh]

But even thats kind of vague. I dont know what fill it before other programs are cut means. Like, fill it how much? Or should we cut programs that arent operating very efficiently before taking more money from citizens? How much should a billionaire pay before you say "Ok, thats enough"?

Put it another way. I constantly hear that the rich need to pay their fair share, but no one really seems to have a concrete idea of what that is. You dont even have to be super wealthy to get hit brutally hard come tax time.

How about we try and address the many tax loopholes that are being exploited?

Democrats tried to buff up the IRS and conservatives fought against it tooth and nail, going as far as saying Biden was "arming and militarizing" them. Conservative media also claimed Biden was vastly inflating the IRS, ignoring the fact that a large part of new hire funding was replacement hiring for those aging out.

I wish there were people on this forum willing to discuss these issues reasonably, but everything seems to boil down to a partisan, zero-sum game. Democrats are also mostly about the money class, when Mark Cuban nixed some of Kamala's taxation of the rich ideas, she obeyed without hesitation.

Slightly off topic: My favorite TV show growing up was The West Wing, which conservatives call The Left Wing. While the main protagonists were liberal, it was never a left wing show and I could spend hours explaining why, but in politics "everyone not in my exact tribe is my blood enemy".

Here's a clip that I feel probably espouses how you feel about American taxation.

 

[Bob Gray]

How about we try and address the many tax loopholes that are being exploited?

Democrats tried to buff up the IRS and conservatives fought against it tooth and nail, going as far as saying Biden was "arming and militarizing" them. Conservative media also claimed Biden was vastly inflating the IRS, ignoring the fact that a large part of new hire funding was replacement hiring for those aging out.

I wish there were people on this forum willing to discuss these issues reasonably, but everything seems to boil down to a partisan, zero-sum game. Democrats are also mostly about the money class, when Mark Cuban nixed some of Kamala's taxation of the rich ideas, she obeyed without hesitation.

Slightly off topic: My favorite TV show growing up was The West Wing, which conservatives call The Left Wing. While the main protagonists were liberal, it was never a left wing show and I could spend hours explaining why, but in politics "everyone not in my exact tribe is my blood enemy".

Here's a clip that I feel probably espouses how you feel about American taxation.

Sure, we can try to do something about loopholes. Sometimes they aren't actually loopholes, though. Like "so and so didn't pay taxes" when they technically had little to no income while their corporation paid taxes on the income it made. Thats not every case, obviously, but sometimes theres very legitimate reasons for these things. Thats even beside the point that I wouldn't even try to argue to being knowledgeable about the absolute labyrinthine maze that the corporate tax code is.

 

[tastaylvr]

This is why forums are great. It’s a place where people that don’t know a thousand millions equals a billion can argue with everyone about how they would reduce government spend by 50 percent by finding “waste”. Just lmao

 

[BFoe]

Reality is that Trump has few years left in this life while most in congress has many. They aren't risking their short term gains for long term fallout.

I hope that’s the reality.

Liberals now are defending the IRS because DOGE is looking at it lt. Democrats are going to screw themselves in the midterms by trying to protect the IRS.

It’s a win-win strategy for Trump. They go around doing horrible, illegal shit claiming that they’re “eliminating waste in government,” so if anyone tries to stop the horrible, illegal shit they are viewed as being in favor of government waste. The IRS is a great target, everyone hates the IRS. Trump/DOGE will make sure it’s harder to after billionaires who aren’t paying tax, and they’ll probably unfairly fire a bunch of federal workers. If Dems do nothing, bad and illegal shit happens plus we look weak. If we do something, we’re viewed as defending an agency the middle class hates.

 

[Cajun]

Some may be thinking it will be the new normal going forward. With a 6-3 SCOTUS I would say it's an even bet, sadly.

There are a lot of panic attacks over this stuff. But I don't think Trump wants to be king, I don't think even if he wanted to that congress, legislature and military would all follow him to destroy our system. It's the same panic as the first time just different things being pushed.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

I don't understand you.

I get that you're conservative but you're willing to given President Trump and Elon Musk the benefit of the doubt on every single thing they do, even the blatantly unconstitutional things.

In the 2020 election Trump's campaign sent out deceptive requests for donations that were designed to be almost invisibly repeat transaction traps; they resulted in millions of dollars in chargebacks and are considered one of the most damaging cases of credit card fraud in American history. Just before his inauguration, Trump did a meme coin rug-pull and bilked his supporters of two billion dollars. That's no joke and it only hurt simple people who didn't see the obvious signs, it didn't hurt any investors who knew what they were doing and stayed away like it was radioactive. It only hurt true believers.

I see people posting Elon's claims without a shred of evidence, and you commenting on them like you believe them. Why? Did you learn nothing from the Twitter files? He's running the exact same playbook, making insane claims without proof, and the conservative machine leverages them as far as they can.

Checks and balances aren't going to be enough, and it's already too late. The damage his temporary freeze did is catastrophic, and more than forty thousand people all around the world have lost their jobs and are heading home. Organizations have shuttered, because they were operating on razor thin margins and couldn't survive the shock.

China is going to be happy to step in and fill the soft power vacuum this has created, and personally, I was happier with America building that international good will.

Trump has his hustles and blew the budget last time around, he will do no better this time.

A lot of people, myself included, are optimistically looking forward to Elon and Doge. Looks promising so far.

Bill Clinton did it by doing strategic cuts (deep cuts) in government spending while at the same time reducing the deficit. Being the only modern POTUS to achieve it.

Trump and Doge, are doing even deeper cuts, while also pushing for a 3 trillion dollar raise in the debt ceiling as they plan to push thru even bigger tax cuts for the rich and corporations that will balloon the deficit and debt to level only Trump 2016 matched prior.

Why you support that is beyond reason.

If your family was drowning in credit card debt would applaud a family member who called for deep cuts in family spending (good) while then running up massive spending and debt at the casino? Would you applaud simply focusing on the 'cuts'?

I do not support raising the debt ceiling, that is a terrible idea and should strongly be opposed. I support the aggressive doge cuts. I support a limited government and balanced budget.

I like the idea of cutting taxes, but the debt needs to be paid down before that can happen. To do it now, would be too early.

 

[Oeshon]

Rude.

Calling me a dummy while arguing people are upset over audits and not these particular auditors isn’t helping your case.

Just mirroring the word you used.

 

[Darkavius]

It’s a win-win strategy for Trump. They go around doing horrible, illegal shit claiming that they’re “eliminating waste in government,” so if anyone tries to stop the horrible, illegal shit they are viewed as being in favor of government waste. The IRS is a great target, everyone hates the IRS. Trump/DOGE will make sure it’s harder to after billionaires who aren’t paying tax, and they’ll probably unfairly fire a bunch of federal workers. If Dems do nothing, bad and illegal shit happens plus we look weak. If we do something, we’re viewed as defending an agency the middle class hates.

I don't agree with the last sentence. The thing is Dems can get out now and work within states and work towards 2026 to get ideas on what they can do better than the Repubs and things they will enact. They won't do it but that could do it. Things Dems could do to counteract Repub nonsense and these are things Repubs won't touch.

• Come up with an alternative plan for healthcare that is better than the ACA.
• Come up with a tax plan that isn't just cut taxes every 4 years. Repubs were heavy about this in the 2010's and was support by a few Repubs.
• Actually support cutting funding to Israel. Repub voters hate sending money to foreign countries, right? Well, Israel is a foreign country that is carried by the United States.

 

[sickc0d3r]

Trump has his hustles and blew the budget last time around, he will do no better this time.

A lot of people, myself included, are optimistically looking forward to Elon and Doge. Looks promising so far.

I do not support raising the debt ceiling, that is a terrible idea and should strongly be opposed. I support the aggressive doge cuts. I support a limited government and balanced budget.

I like the idea of cutting taxes, but the debt needs to be paid down before that can happen. To do it now, would be too early.

Edit: I just read the guy’s post you were responding to and got the context. My post doesn’t really apply to the convo, so never mind.

 

[Cajun]

And yours.

Come on bruh....

 

[Cajun]

How about we try and address the many tax loopholes that are being exploited?

Democrats tried to buff up the IRS and conservatives fought against it tooth and nail, going as far as saying Biden was "arming and militarizing" them. Conservative media also claimed Biden was vastly inflating the IRS, ignoring the fact that a large part of new hire funding was replacement hiring for those aging out.

I wish there were people on this forum willing to discuss these issues reasonably, but everything seems to boil down to a partisan, zero-sum game. Democrats are also mostly about the money class, when Mark Cuban nixed some of Kamala's taxation of the rich ideas, she obeyed without hesitation.

Slightly off topic: My favorite TV show growing up was The West Wing, which conservatives call The Left Wing. While the main protagonists were liberal, it was never a left wing show and I could spend hours explaining why, but in politics "everyone not in my exact tribe is my blood enemy".

Here's a clip that I feel probably espouses how you feel about American taxation.

Never saw that show but any popular show is likely a good one. Loopholes are closed with tax code changes. I hated some of the ones they rolled out like removing tax breaks for mortgage interest etc. I'm cool with closing any loopholes. Doubling of the irs workers and 80B more in funding not so much. Replacing aging workers shouldn't take that much. I'm willing to discuss bud.

 

[BFoe]

I don't agree with the last sentence. The thing is Dems can get out now and work within states and work towards 2026 to get ideas on what they can do better than the Repubs and things they will enact. They won't do it but that could do it. Things Dems could do to counteract Repub nonsense and these are things Repubs won't touch.

• Come up with an alternative plan for healthcare that is better than the ACA.
• Come up with a tax plan that isn't just cut taxes every 4 years. Repubs were heavy about this in the 2010's and was support by a few Repubs.
• Actually support cutting funding to Israel. Repub voters hate sending money to foreign countries, right? Well, Israel is a foreign country that is carried by the United States.

In regards to the 3 bullet points:

—I feel we’ve done that. I think we had something potentially great with Pete’s “Medicare For All Who Want It” plan. Obviously that wasn’t enough to make Pete the nominee, and Biden had other healthcare ideas. I think we need to find a viable candidate, and revisit that plan.

—This goes hand in hand with the first one. I don’t think there’s a viable way to make the ACA better (red states will refuse to implement certain things yet again and we’ll be in this same position).

—GOP will never support this. The Republicans Party is too closely tied to Christian nationalists and Christian Zionists. In fact, we saw many conservatives who had decried the foreign aid to Ukraine, who said it was an “over there” problem, immediately ch aged their tune once Hamas attacked Israel.

 

[lowlife]

I'm in the middle and if you think this clown show is pushing me right you are sadly mistaken. If anything, it's pushing me left and I hate those mfers too. I don't recognize either party anymore, fucking heathens the lot of you.

 

[ChosenOne]

Trump has his hustles and blew the budget last time around, he will do no better this time.

A lot of people, myself included, are optimistically looking forward to Elon and Doge. Looks promising so far.

I do not support raising the debt ceiling, that is a terrible idea and should strongly be opposed. I support the aggressive doge cuts. I support a limited government and balanced budget.

I like the idea of cutting taxes, but the debt needs to be paid down before that can happen. To do it now, would be too early.

You will be greatly disappointed as this push by Doge to cut government spending is being done solely to cut spending so the Tea Party republicans who STILL vote against any new debt (requiring Dems to constantly give votes for Contuing Resolutions) so they will then vote for the tax cuts for the rich and increase the debt ceiling.

THis is not about Clinton like fiscal responsibility and if you think so you will be very disappointed.

 

[I Am Legion]

I don't agree with the last sentence. The thing is Dems can get out now and work within states and work towards 2026 to get ideas on what they can do better than the Repubs and things they will enact. They won't do it but that could do it. Things Dems could do to counteract Repub nonsense and these are things Repubs won't touch.

• Come up with an alternative plan for healthcare that is better than the ACA.
• Come up with a tax plan that isn't just cut taxes every 4 years. Repubs were heavy about this in the 2010's and was support by a few Repubs.
• Actually support cutting funding to Israel. Repub voters hate sending money to foreign countries, right? Well, Israel is a foreign country that is carried by the United States.

The Dems are also facing being on the wrong side of immigration in sanctuary cities. People like AOC and Chicago Mayor blocking ICE and hiding illegals including criminals, goes against what the people want. The Bronx residents protested illegals from the start. They already have their own issues with poverty and lack of resources. Chicago Mayor has a 15% approval rating. They are also still hung up on DEI. The Majority have shown they don't give a shit about it. The Dems have to be a voice of the people, not progressives. This is a huge uphill battle at this point.

 

[BFoe]

I came across this today and wanted to share it, especially with the right wing posters.

This video feature Republican David Schweikert of AZ, who is the Vice Chair of the US Congess Joint Economic Committee and is also on the Ways and Means Committee.
The only video I could find that was condensed and covered the major points came from someone else’s YouTube channel, so apologies for that.

Schweikert begins at about :25 seconds into this video, explaining how minuscule and inconsequential these supposed cuts are on the scale of our debt.

What DOGE is doing hurts people, and it’s not doing jack shit to eliminate waste.

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

Come on bruh....

come on what? show me USAID payouts going to Elon or Trump from the open source data, or I'll STFU. until then, it's fraud, corruption, and liberals can keep losing for as long as they want. MAGA country bitch.

 

[Crazy Source]

There are a lot of panic attacks over this stuff. But I don't think Trump wants to be king, I don't think even if he wanted to that congress, legislature and military would all follow him to destroy our system. It's the same panic as the first time just different things being pushed.

I think you are very, very wrong. Trump is, right now, bypassing congress. He is, in essence, acting like a King, with the executive branch holding absolute power.