Movies IT Movie v.2 (Dragonlord's Review)

[julmma]

Really liked it!

 

[bubbleboyjones]

Interesting @Dragonlordxxxxx , I respect your opinion but I gotta say, I've both read and viewed at least 10 different pre-screening reviews for this film and you said more negative stuff than all of them combined. Even so, you gave it a 7/10, so that means you liked it?

I think he was being pretty generous on the movie. It's horror genre so everyone seems to be grading on a curve.


The more I'm watching scenes with Pennywise on youtube the more I realize this movie is going to be dated badly in a few years. I have to say Skargard's voice cringeworthy in some of the scenes. Looking back very carefully on the marketing campaign its now very obvious to me now why they released a tiny bit of Pennywise's voice in the trailers. The voice that did make it in the trailers was very carefully done with effects or something to really thicken his voice up.

From this trailer Bill's voice is modified heavily being it was put into some kind of heavy reverb effect.



The only other dialogue from Pennywise that they released early i think was dialog from the sewer scene which was well done but if you carefully look at how that was shot it obvious Bill isn't standing in a sewer reading these lines. He's obviously on a set somewhere superimposed to be in a sewer and they probably have an ultra expensive condenser mic near him capturing his voice. I am sure they were working very carefully to thicken up his voice with some slight effects(there are slight reverb effects to emulate the sewer that is easily picked up if you listen with a decent paid of headphones). In fact it almost sounds overdubbed on how much presence his voice has in the scene. It's sort of like how Bane's voice in Dark Knight was overdubbed because the original cut wasn't clear enough and the overdubbed Bane voice didn't sound fit in the mix naturally because of how much presence it had in the mix. It's why overdubbing essentially always has a similar feel to it. Sometimes it works really well like Kylo Kens voice despite sounding fake.

This sewer scene is sort of similar in the mix but it works well despite sounding a bit unnatural. The only reason why I am attempting to dissect his voice and scenes is because I'm trying to tie together why his voice is so inconsistent in the movie.

 

[Bob Gray]

I think he was being pretty generous on the movie. It's horror genre so everyone seems to be grading on a curve.


The more I'm watching scenes with Pennywise on youtube the more I realize this movie is going to be dated badly in a few years. I have to say Skargard's voice cringeworthy in some of the scenes. Looking back very carefully on the marketing campaign its now very obvious to me now why they released a tiny bit of Pennywise's voice in the trailers. The voice that did make it in the trailers was very carefully done with effects or something to really thicken his voice up.

From this trailer Bill's voice is modified heavily being it was put into some kind of heavy reverb effect.



The only other dialogue from Pennywise that they released early i think was dialog from the sewer scene which was well done but if you carefully look at how that was shot it obvious Bill isn't standing in a sewer reading these lines. He's obviously on a set somewhere superimposed to be in a sewer and they probably have an ultra expensive condenser mic near him capturing his voice. I am sure they were working very carefully to thicken up his voice with some slight effects(there are slight reverb effects to emulate the sewer that is easily picked up if you listen with a decent paid of headphones). In fact it almost sounds overdubbed on how much presence his voice has in the scene. It's sort of like how Bane's voice in Dark Knight was overdubbed because the original cut wasn't clear enough and the overdubbed Bane voice didn't sound fit in the mix naturally because of how much presence it had in the mix. It's why overdubbing essentially always has a similar feel to it. Sometimes it works really well like Kylo Kens voice despite sounding fake.

This sewer scene is sort of similar in the mix but it works well despite sounding a bit unnatural. The only reason why I am attempting to dissect his voice and scenes is because I'm trying to tie together why his voice is so inconsistent in the movie.

You know, this reminds me. When I was watching it....I really dont think Skarsgard actually has fangs, either.

 

[bubbleboyjones]

You know, this reminds me. When I was watching it....I really dont think Skarsgard actually has fangs, either.

I'm shocked this coming from Derry Maine resident like yourself.

 

[the ambush]

I give it a 9/10. I thought it was excellent. It felt like I was watching something really epic, which I don't feel as often as I did when I was younger. The scares were very good, the It performance was great, and the child actors were all very impressive. I loved the cinematography and I watched it in IMAX with great sound, which was really important. The AMC I watched it at accidentally started playing Inhumans instead of It, which was annoying.

Spoiler

i'm not sure I am completely satisfied with the ending though. they kind of just jumped him in the end. I think the idea of It not having as much power when the kids aren't afraid of him could have been driven home more to sell that scene and the believability of them being able to defeat him in the way that they did. If I remember correctly, in the old It, there was the weakness to silver or something which made It's defeat more convincing to me at the time, but it has been a long time since I watched it. A review I read did say that the ending was a bit too happy and neat, which I am leaning towards agreeing with right now. I didn't necessarily walk away thinking about how this experience was going to haunt them for the rest of their lives, it was just kind of a happy ending.

I don't know how much longer the movie could have realistically been because of its already long runtime, but I did feel that the time it took from them to go to from broken up and vulnerable to back together and strong felt a little rushed. Aside from that I did like the pacing.

Spoiler

It has been a while since I viewed the miniseries version. Wasn't it the kids having a sling shot and battery acid that stopped "IT"?

In the new movie the only unique weapon the kids have is the captive bolt gun. What's done is done yet I would have liked to seen a little more creativity in the final battle.

Spoiler

@Dragonlordxxxxx I forgot to read your spoiler and now i have.
I remember none of the kids dying in the first 1, but remember, i hated it. I do remember one of them killing himself as an adult. Dont know which one. The jew ir the fat kid. Maybe Bill.. Ultimately, this had a shocking little kid kill. This was UNHEARD of in the 80s-90s. For clarity, Maximum Overdrive used to edit out the little leaguer getting ran over by the steam roller when played on tv and there was no gore. Here, theres gore, a death, and on a younger, cuter kid. Lest never forget, this one is for a different generation. They wont know who dies. Shit, i thought the jewish kid was a goner.

Spoiler

Yes the opening scene is a bit too much to handle. I still remember that brutal pool scene in Alligator (1980).

 

[MacDuffle]

I think he was being pretty generous on the movie. It's horror genre so everyone seems to be grading on a curve.


The more I'm watching scenes with Pennywise on youtube the more I realize this movie is going to be dated badly in a few years. I have to say Skargard's voice cringeworthy in some of the scenes. Looking back very carefully on the marketing campaign its now very obvious to me now why they released a tiny bit of Pennywise's voice in the trailers. The voice that did make it in the trailers was very carefully done with effects or something to really thicken his voice up.

From this trailer Bill's voice is modified heavily being it was put into some kind of heavy reverb effect.



The only other dialogue from Pennywise that they released early i think was dialog from the sewer scene which was well done but if you carefully look at how that was shot it obvious Bill isn't standing in a sewer reading these lines. He's obviously on a set somewhere superimposed to be in a sewer and they probably have an ultra expensive condenser mic near him capturing his voice. I am sure they were working very carefully to thicken up his voice with some slight effects(there are slight reverb effects to emulate the sewer that is easily picked up if you listen with a decent paid of headphones). In fact it almost sounds overdubbed on how much presence his voice has in the scene. It's sort of like how Bane's voice in Dark Knight was overdubbed because the original cut wasn't clear enough and the overdubbed Bane voice didn't sound fit in the mix naturally because of how much presence it had in the mix. It's why overdubbing essentially always has a similar feel to it. Sometimes it works really well like Kylo Kens voice despite sounding fake.

This sewer scene is sort of similar in the mix but it works well despite sounding a bit unnatural. The only reason why I am attempting to dissect his voice and scenes is because I'm trying to tie together why his voice is so inconsistent in the movie.

You have no idea what the value of sound mixing is, if you legitimately wanted a voice recorded in an actual sewer on a rainy day

It would not be scary.

 

[MacDuffle]

It would sound exactly like a man in his shower pretending to be a horror movie character while being recorded by his vhs camcorder wielding nephew

 

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

Update: September 22, 2017

Andy Muschietti's IT Becomes Highest-Grossing Horror Movie of All Time

It, the blockbuster adaptation of Stephen King’s novel about a child-eating clown, has pushed past The Exorcist to become the highest-grossing horror film on a domestic basis.

The crown comes with some caveats. The Exorcist is still the top-grossing horror film on an international basis, having netted $441.3 million globally to It’s $404.3 million. The horror classic also made its money in 1973, so this record doesn’t take inflation into account.

It’s still a stunning result for the King adaptation, and a reason to celebrate at Warner Bros. and New Line, the studios responsible for bringing Pennywise to the big screen. It has earned $236.3 million stateside. In contrast, The Exorcist has grossed $232.9 million domestically. In addition to terrorizing ’70s theatergoers, The Exorcist got two director’s cut re-releases.

The film cost an economical $35 million to produce and pushed past “The Exorcist” after just two weeks of release. Given its monster grosses, it’s no surprise that the studio is moving forward on a follow-up to It.

It should shatter more records as it continues its torrid pace at the box office. The film is now the ninth highest-grossing R-rated release in history and the highest-grossing September release.

Box Office: ‘It’ Becomes Highest-Grossing Horror Film of All Time/

 

[Kardashians]

Not sure if I already mentioned this but I actually got to see the movie not long ago. Reading the book now. Think I might watch the original film one of these nights. Maybe as part of my Halloween countdown list lol

 

[LATEXXX COMMANDO]

Wow!

That's pretty cool. Can't believe all the love and draw its getting, not because its undeserved, but just the overall hype.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

I thought it was fantastic but I don't really think IT is a pure horror movie (neither was the original).

It's a mixture of suspense, mystery, coming of age....

Like if The Goonies had a baby with Nightmare on Elm Street.

I thought everything about it w as fantastic

 

[PolishHeadlock]

Not sure if I already mentioned this but I actually got to see the movie not long ago. Reading the book now. Think I might watch the original film one of these nights. Maybe as part of my Halloween countdown list lol

Just to be clear the original was a mini series on TV.... so take it for what it is.

I personally loved it but TV miniseries in 1990 aren't like what are made today or like movies.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

Spoiler

It has been a while since I viewed the miniseries version. Wasn't it the kids having a sling shot and battery acid that stopped "IT"?

In the new movie the only unique weapon the kids have is the captive bolt gun. What's done is done yet I would have liked to seen a little more creativity in the final battle.

Spoiler

Yes the opening scene is a bit too much to handle. I still remember that brutal pool scene in Alligator (1980).

Spoiler

The Battery acid is just in the kids imagination.... a placebo if you willl....


And we haven't seen the final battle....

 

[Kardashians]

Just to be clear the original was a mini series on TV.... so take it for what it is.

I personally loved it but TV miniseries in 1990 aren't like what are made today or like movies.

Oh I thought there was an actual movie o:

 

[GODZILLA213]

Seen this tonight and was completely underwhelmed.

 

[the ambush]

Spoiler

The Battery acid is just in the kids imagination.... a placebo if you willl....


And we haven't seen the final battle....

Spoiler

The first makes sense now.

On the second I just agree to disagree. There was a final act in vol. 1, maybe it was purposefully a segway into vol. 2 yet that was still a conclusion. It would not be very effective filmmaking to just show a random scene then cutting to a "to be continued" text. There really had to be a confrontation of some nature.

 

[minute bull]

 

[Tamriel Terror]

I thought it was fantastic. I'd give it a 9/10.

My gf lovesss King so she has already seen it 3 times lol and she got me the book for my B-Day last week, so I've been reading it over the past few days.

 

[djacobox372]

Spoiler

The Battery acid is just in the kids imagination.... a placebo if you willl....

And we haven't seen the final battle....

My big problem with the new movie is that the did away with the rituals, the visions, and everything else that explained why the kids were a danger to "IT."

What we were left with was a weak villain who couldn't muster up enough strength to take out a few wimpy kids. We sort of get the impression that the whole reason he attacks kids is that he's to beta to go after adults.

 

[Bob Gray]

My big problem with the new movie is that the did away with the rituals, the visions, and everything else that explained why the kids were a danger to "IT."

What we were left with was a weak villain who couldn't muster up enough strength to take out a few wimpy kids. We sort of get the impression that the whole reason he attacks kids is that he's to beta to go after adults.

But how can you do that on the screen? On the page its one thing, but so much of the final confrontation is inside the characters heads. Until you're floating through the deadlights and shit. And even then, they have 35 million dollar budget.

If we're being honest, the whole macroverse explanation is King with Q-tips up his nose to sop up all the coke filled blood dripping out of his nasal passages and writing up whatever shit enters his head. These explanations of a macroverse, IT assuming the weaknesses of whatever form he takes, and a turtle with galaxies for toe nails that for some reason takes a liking to 7 kids is not only unfilmable, its honestly nonsensical. The ritual is a pure plot device summed up out of thin air to make IT vulnerable. I mean, so is them being unified and everything, but theyre essentially the same narrative tool. One is actually coherent and the other requires reading several other books before it even begins to make a lick of sense. And even then, it really doesnt make much. Them being together and unafraid is essentially the filtered version of the number 7 and it's "mystic power" in the novel.