Israel seems less prepared than Alex

[Dim1]

he won striking the last 2x

Its like you shertards have erased from your memory he only got to land his bombs the last 2x fights because he got 2nd chances

Even his boy Gilbert Burns knows this, said this, and picked Izzy to win.

Well hell if Gilbert Burns his stable mate said it then it must be true. My opinion is based on watching Alex's training menu compared to Izzy. He's been training crazy striking with a large variety of sparring partners. I expect he comes in with heavier shots. If Izzy goes with grappling he played it smart he might even win it if he gets some take downs and wins scrambles.

 

[matrixremaster]

lmao retard give it a rest, you realise we're talking in a thread where you think fighters are seriously training in fight week.

The burden of proof is stacked against me? lmao you clueless moron. Izzy is the favourite, that means most of the money on the fight is going on Izzy.

Figthers are picking Izzy to win.

Like I said before, and like you keep proving, your understanding of the history is limited to "0-3". Any detail beyond that is too much for you peanut brain.

No wonder you got 1k posts in a month, tieing your shoelaces and navigating the block probably a mental overload for you.

Here you go grasping on to pick em fight odds and writing paragraphs because you have nothing else to grasp onto being down 0-3.


The only reason he's up with the bookies is because they think he'll bring his singlet.

Since you want to make this fairytale up about Israel being the better striker, if you want to go by fight odds, which fighter has the better odds of knocking the other out?

I'll let you brainstorm a way to dodge this question.

 

[AmonTobin]

I know there is a cliche about Shedogger's reading into things and I could be wrong, but this is what I get looking at this from an outside point of view.

Israel seems less prepared mentally and physically.

There is a quiet, somber attitude coming from his training camp. Alex is training with all-time great fighters and kickboxers, finely honing techniques and growing his abilities and Israel has stayed close to his camp and is doing a lot of media and public appearances with fans, Alex's attitude is that it's his destiny to beat Israel and Israel is saying "what if" when he talks about beating Alex.

Of course, we don't know exactly what goes on behind the scenes but this is what it looks like from an outside perspective.

Don’t underestimate Adesanya’s ability to make adjustments. He’s a smart fighter.

 

[Shilajit]

lol, no wonder you got 1k posts in over a month, you probably never breath fresh air or experience stuff in real life, your whole knowledge base is probably off this echo chamber of stupidity called sherdog.

Look if you can't understand the dynamics at play when you watch a fight, the very simple detail Izzy had Alex all by TKO'd twice, and he was saved by the bell and the ref - which to translate for you, means Izzy has demonstrated he can do, he does it first, and Alex can't take it. Its minor detail which unless you're next to brain dead you will pick up. Everyone betting knows it - thats why Izzy is the favourite

Maybe you're one of those hard learning cases and need someone special to explain it to you - well you're in luck!



This video has UFC fighters (including Gilbert Burns) explaining why they pick Izzy to win - and its exactly the same reasons I have outlined above.

Odds are pretty much pickem.

I'd expect them to be close to dead even as the fight gets closer.

I'm going with Izzy but this one is very hard to predict.

They're both special fighters. That cannot be denied, it's silly to underestimate either of them.

They could fight 10 times and it's always gonna be a game of inches.

Like Teddy Atlas says, a fighter becomes 30% better when they get the belt. There's a lot of potential we haven't seen out of Pereira as well.

 

[Raptors2019]

There never has been a scenario where fighter who was up 3-0 was the underdog going into fourth fight. Some people on sherdog are losing their mind over this fight. I can't wait to see what happens.

 

[AmonTobin]

He didn't have the takedowns to do anything last time out. It would be very surprising to me if he could improve his wrestling this fast especially with how little time there is between fights. Alex may well be the superior wrestler and striker at this point. His game looks like it's growing faster than Israel.

Israel has shown less evolution than Alex.

Don’t forget the astonishing wrestling from Alex Gustafsson in the first Jones fight. People can show up with surprises.

 

[matrixremaster]

Don’t forget the astonishing wrestling from Alex Gustafsson in the first Jones fight. People can show up with surprises.

Anything can happen, it may be true that Israel's plan is to panic wrestle but generally it takes a lot more than one camp to change the outcome of grappling exchanges, much less for Israel to finish Alex in this way like he's Khabib. It could backfire on him as well and he'll be more gassed as the fight progresses and be susceptible to getting knocked out. Most of the fight will probably be standing again as all rounds start standing and the takedown/takedown defence ratio between the two will probably be close to the last fight, which was pretty much a stalemate.

 

[Banana Tree's Nemesis]

Israel is coming in with a wrestle-heavy game plan, which will be very new for him, and a metric shit ton of pressure on his shoulders. He's not unprepared. He's just a bit nervous, and that'll go away come fight time.

I don't even know about the latter.
He seemed as calm on media day as any fighter I've ever seen.
The way he phrased things, he might've legitimately spun his thougths around in a way to see himself in a "I've got nothing to lose at this point" way that lifts all his pressure and creates the idea of an opportunity.

 

[matrixremaster]

I don't even know about the latter.
He seemed as calm on media day as any fighter I've ever seen.
The way he phrased things, he might've legitimately spun his thougths around in a way to see himself in a "I've got nothing to lose at this point" way that lifts all his pressure and creates the idea of an opportunity.

Being calm on media doesn't amount to much.

Saying he has nothing to lose is not true either. He shouldn't base his mantra for this fight on a lie because at the back of his mind he knows he has everything to lose. Alex will end this rivalry for good and always have gotten the best of him if Israel loses, and single handedly taken away Israel's aspirations for a GOAT legacy.

Izzy knows this no matter how deep he tries to bury it.

 

[Kb7]

I don't think taking Alex down is a good plan. Izzy isn't a wrestler and isn't built like a wrestler. Alex is also better in the clinch.

Izzy was one punch away from winning last fight. He needs to protect his chin better.

And then Israel had 20 more minutes to replicate what he did in the end of the first, he couldn't. It's not about protecting his chin, Israel has been fighting to not lose for a while a now and he's been stuck with that fighting style. Other fighters would have tried to finish with killer instinct and at least try to finish what they started had they been in Israel's gloves, but Israel lacks aggressiveness and that was ultimately his downfall. He's a point fighter by heart, that is his only way of winning at point.

 

[Banana Tree's Nemesis]

Being calm on media doesn't amount to much.

Okay? It unarguably amounts to NOT being excited though, which is all I said...

Saying he has nothing to lose is not true either.

There are very few universal truths in this universe. Belief and doubt will always be contradictory forces.
Believing and letting go of the doubt is a crucial quality of an athlete when it's time for competition. There doesn't need to be any truth to it whatsoever. He just needs to believe.

Izzy knows this no matter how deep he tries to bury it.

Disagree. He doesn't need to bury it if he manages to change his perspective entirely. He doesn't need to think about being a GOAT to win this fight. He just needs to think about losing 3 times and knowing exactly how he can't act if he wants to win against Alex. He has that knowledge of being able to hurt Alex as well.
If he stays calm and sticks to the two things that seem to work somewhat against Pereira, wrestling and pressure, this fight can still go either way.

 

[BruhBruh]

Israel is coming in with a wrestle-heavy game plan, which will be very new for him, and a metric shit ton of pressure on his shoulders. He's not unprepared. He's just a bit nervous, and that'll go away come fight time.

Are you sure that's gonna be the game plan? I honestly think Izzy's ego would only allow him to strike to prove a point. I'd go as far as to say Izzy has no chance at wrestling Alex for 5 rounds.

No doubt Alex is sparring Glover multiple times per week. Can you imagine the takedowns, pressure and Ground n Pound he's dealing with on a regular basis? Much worse than anything Israel can give out on the ground anyway.

 

[matrixremaster]

Okay? It unarguably amounts to NOT being excited though, which is all I said...

There are very few universal truths in this universe. Belief and doubt will always be contradictory forces.
Believing and letting go of the doubt is a crucial quality of an athlete when it's time for competition. There doesn't need to be any truth to it whatsoever. He just needs to believe.

Disagree. He doesn't need to bury it if he manages to change his perspective entirely. He doesn't need to think about being a GOAT to win this fight. He just needs to think about losing 3 times and knowing exactly how he can't act if he wants to win against Alex. He has that knowledge of being able to hurt Alex as well.
If he stays calm and sticks to the two things that seem to work somewhat against Pereira, wrestling and pressure, this fight can still go either way.

I'm sure he has a lot of built up expectations in his head, but if he gets his take downs stuffed like last time and is forced to stand again, panic will set in. Panic will make a fighter who lies themselves become honest very quickly.

 

[matrixremaster]

Are you sure that's gonna be the game plan? I honestly think Izzy's ego would only allow him to strike to prove a point. I'd go as far as to say Izzy has no chance at wrestling Alex for 5 rounds.

No doubt Alex is sparring Glover multiple times per week. Can you imagine the takedowns, pressure and Ground n Pound he's dealing with on a regular basis? Much worse than anything Israel can give out on the ground anyway.

Israel has posted a ton of grappling footage for this camp. It's not the worst strategy but if it doesn't work he's in big trouble.

 

[Banana Tree's Nemesis]

but if he gets his take downs stuffed like last time and is forced to stand again, panic will set in.

I don't understand what you're basing that assumption on tbh.

 

[matrixremaster]

I don't understand what you're basing that assumption on tbh.

His pre fight footage shows a camp that has been very certralized on wrestling and getting that takedown. I think his strategy will go out the window if he can't implement it.

 

[BruhBruh]

Israel has posted a ton of grappling footage for this camp. It's not the worst strategy but if it doesn't work he's in big trouble.

Of course he has, he's trying to play mind games as in "i've been doing this longer than you, i'm better than you on the ground and i'll show it this time, hope you're ready Alex". When it comes down to it, his ego will keep him standing and I really believe Alex will have dealt with worse in training with Glover on top of him. Glover has some of the best top pressure and GnP the sport has seen.

It's 50/50 on the feet IMO but I just don't like Israel at all so I hope he gets ko'd again.

 

[stacrafty]

Here you go grasping on to pick em fight odds and writing paragraphs because you have nothing else to grasp onto being down 0-3.


The only reason he's up with the bookies is because they think he'll bring his singlet.

Since you want to make this fairytale up about Israel being the better striker, if you want to go by fight odds, which fighter has the better odds of knocking the other out?

I'll let you brainstorm a way to dodge this question.

Post a pic of you with proof you've made a bet on Alex (ie you holding up a bit of paper with your sherdog name written on it), since your'e so confident, and I'll make the same bet on Izzy, but for 20x the value.

How bout that?

 

[stacrafty]

His pre fight footage shows a camp that has been very certralized on wrestling and getting that takedown. I think his strategy will go out the window if he can't implement it.

Pre fight footage means nothing. When they have the cameras in the gym, they train, then they do the camera bits.
They show what they want to be seen, the only time the camera's have free reign is if its generic inconsequential stuff

 

[matrixremaster]

Post a pic of you with proof you've made a bet on Alex (ie you holding up a bit of paper with your sherdog name written on it), since your'e so confident, and I'll make the same bet on Izzy, but for 20x the value.

How bout that?

You first since you're the one who wants to do this.

Also, lol @ writing a full paragraph and ducking the question.

Which fighter is more likely to knock out the other according to those Vegas odds you like to cite so much?