International Israel attacks Qatar

[cincymma79]

Quite a few retired mercenaries from the likes of Blackwater and other outfits, not to mention many veterans, would be considered terrorists or butchers by Afghans and Iraqis who suffered at their hands.

Every country has its bad people it shelters from other countries.

So no foreigners on our land by your own post. Cool story bro

 

[avenue94]

So no foreigners on our land by your own post. Cool story bro

There are a couple Cuban terrorists hanging around probably from the good ol days, but that's not really the point since I very clearly wrote Western countries, not the US.

 

[filthybliss]

I would like to say yes but as it turns out it seems it the only way to make sure Israel and the US doesn’t bomb the shit out of you when the mood strikes

Saudi will likely grab one at this rate. They signed a deal with Pakistan. It is hard to make a case against Iran nuclearizing anymore. Saudi is the exporter of Wahhabism, the interpretation of Islam that ISIS practices. Pakistan is the exporter of deobandism, the interpretation of Islam that the Taliban practices.

Pakistan committed a genocide in '71 and Saudi Arabia's actions in Yemen make anything that Iran has done childs play.

 

[cincymma79]

There are a couple Cuban terrorists hanging around probably from the good ol days, but that's not really the point since I very clearly wrote Western countries, not the US.

So not the same. Got it

 

[avenue94]

So not the same. Got it

Where did I argue the US was the same as Qatar?

 

[cincymma79]

Where did I argue the US was the same as Qatar?

you answered my question with this parallel and I’m pointing out it isn’t the same for an obvious reason

 

[kflo]

But is is concrete US law that we cannot give military aid to people that are not signatories to the non-nuclear proliferation agreement. Yet Israel gets billions every year.

That's the main reason Israel doesn't admit to their nukes even though everybody knows they have them.

We give aid and weapons to India and Pakistan as well.

 

[kflo]

Quite a few retired mercenaries from the likes of Blackwater and other outfits, not to mention many veterans, would be considered terrorists or butchers by Afghans and Iraqis who suffered at their hands.

Every country has its bad people it shelters from other countries.

Which are harboring terrorist leaders currently holding hostages and leading an active militia of terrorists?

 

[filthybliss]

Which are harboring terrorist leaders currently holding hostages and leading an active militia of terrorists?

Well shit, every leader since FDR could be classified as a terrorist or vulnerable for Hague convictions , there are certainly innocents in Guatamao as well....

 

[Hog-train]

We give aid and weapons to India and Pakistan as well.

1. The U.S. cut off all military aid to Pakistan after they acquired nuclear weapons.

2. We specifically made an exception for India in the U.S.-India Civil Nuclear Agreement Act which exempted them from a key nonproliferation requirement - allowing it to engage in nuclear trade with the U.S and be sold weapons.

3. Israel has no such exception or law made for them, so it is actually illegal for the US to give them military aid. Thus, Israel never publicly admits they have nukes.

 

[kflo]

1. The U.S. cut off all military aid to Pakistan after they acquired nuclear weapons.

2. We specifically made an exception for India in the U.S.-India Civil Nuclear Agreement Act which exempted them from a key nonproliferation requirement - allowing it to engage in nuclear trade with the U.S and be sold weapons.

3. Israel has no such exception or law made for them, so it is actually illegal for the US to give them military aid. Thus, Israel never publicly admits they have nukes.

We cut off aid to Pakistan in 2018, 20 years after they went nuclear.

Also….

Trump’s $397 Million Exception for Pakistan

Ten thinkers on the start of the U.S president’s second term.

foreignpolicy.com

Again you are transparent.

 

[Hog-train]

We cut off aid to Pakistan in 2018, 20 years after they went nuclear.

Also….

Trump’s $397 Million Exception for Pakistan

Ten thinkers on the start of the U.S president’s second term.

foreignpolicy.com

Again you are transparent.

You're an ignoramus that doesn't even know what this is dipshit. You just Googled a quick answer to "Did Pakistan got military aid from the US" and then just posted it without even reading.

That's not what this. This $397 million payment is for maintenance and monitoring of F-16's Pakistan bought from the US PRIOR to them getting nukes in 1998.

Before Pakistan got nuclear weapons, the US was a solid military ally and they bought 40 F-16's from us between 1983-1987.

Additional F-16's were supposed to be sold, but that got cancelled due to Pakistan' nuclear program.

U.S. to Repay Pakistan for Undelivered F-16s | Arms Control Association

www.armscontrol.org

 

[kflo]

You're an ignoramus that doesn't even know what this is dipshit. You just Googled a quick answer to "Did Pakistan got military aid from the US" and then just posted it without even reading.

That's not what this. This $397 million payment is for maintenance and monitoring of F-16's Pakistan bought from the US PRIOR to them getting nukes in 1998.

Before Pakistan got nuclear weapons, the US was a solid military ally and they bought 40 F-16's from us between 1983-1987.

Additional F-16's were supposed to be sold, but that got cancelled due to Pakistan' nuclear program.

U.S. to Repay Pakistan for Undelivered F-16s | Arms Control Association

www.armscontrol.org

Lol. You are such a shameless hater. It’s pathetic. It is military aid to pakistan. We’ve been providing some level of aid to Pakistan in 20 of the 27 years they’ve had nuclear arms. And counting.

 

[Hog-train]

Lol. You are such a shameless hater. It’s pathetic. It is military aid to pakistan. We’ve been providing some level of aid to Pakistan in 20 of the 27 years they’ve had nuclear arms. And counting.

The US law prohibits military aid in the form of weapons to non-NPT countries.

This isn't sending weapons. This is a refund for undelivered jets because we canceled additional delivery due to their nuke program and maintenance aid for fighter jets we already sold them.

Nice try though. Why don't you try reading the article first.

Completely different than giving Israel weapons EVERY SINGLE YEAR even though they're a non-NPT country with nukes.

 

[kflo]

The US law prohibits military aid in the form of weapons to non-NPT countries.

This isn't sending weapons. This is a refund for undelivered jets because we canceled additional delivery due to their nuke program and maintenance aid for fighter jets we already sold them.

Nice try though. Why don't you try reading the article first.

Completely different than giving Israel weapons EVERY SINGLE YEAR even though they're a non-NPT country with nukes.

It IS military aid to Pakistan.

Israel technically buys the military equipment.

And again, for 20 years we were giving significant aid to a nuclear Pakistan and has consistently supported nuclear India. It’s just that you despise Israel.

 

[Hog-train]

It IS military aid to Pakistan.

It's not sending new weapons. Huge difference. It's a partial refund for money already sent to the US for undelivered jets and some aid for already bought F-16's.

Israel technically buys the military equipment.

Israel buys the equipment with OUR money we give them for free. Same fucking shit as giving them weapons.

It's how almost all our US military weapons aid is like. You already know this.

And again, for 20 years we were giving significant aid to a nuclear Pakistan and has consistently supported nuclear India.

We weren't sending weapons though. And no we didn't consistently support India. We actually put sanctions on them after they nuked up in 1998.

We only started resuming weapons sales to India after we made a specific law that allowed it to them only.

It’s just that you despise Israel.

It's pretty normal to despise a government that's killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians and engaging in forced starvation.

And the whole world agrees with me.

 

[kflo]

It's not sending new weapons. Huge difference. It's a partial refund for money already sent to the US for undelivered jets and some aid for already bought F-16's.



Israel buys the equipment with OUR money we give them for free. Same fucking shit as giving them weapons.

It's how almost all our US military weapons aid is like. You already know this.



We weren't sending weapons though. And no we didn't consistently support India. We actually put sanctions on them after they nuked up in 1998.

We only started resuming weapons sales to India after we made a specific law that allowed it to them only.



It's pretty normal to despise a government that's killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians and engaging in forced starvation.

And the whole world agrees with me.

$400m to Pakistan to reinforce their Air Force, and billions to India including significant arms. So, yes, the us provides arms and defense aid to nuclear nations not part of the NPT. You only care about one though.

 

[Hog-train]

$400m to Pakistan to reinforce their Air Force, and billions to India including significant arms. So, yes, the us provides arms and defense aid to nuclear nations not part of the NPT. You only care about one though.

You know how to read? Partial refund for Pakistan, plus we're not sending new weapons - just aid to maintain existing F-16's we sold them. India was made a specific exception by Congressional Law.

No such law was passed for Israel where we're allowed to send them WEAPONS. So it is technically illegal to give Israel weapons.

 

[kflo]

You know how to read? Partial refund for Pakistan, plus we're not sending new weapons - just aid to maintain existing F-16's we sold them. India was made a specific exception by Congressional Law.

No such law was passed for Israel where we're allowed to send them WEAPONS. So it is technically illegal to give Israel weapons.

So maintaining their fleet of F-16 doesn’t count as military aid for Pakistan? FFS, F-16’s can be armed with nuclear weapons.

India’s “exemption” was only related to civilian nuclear power, not nuclear arms. It had NO implication for military aid or arms.

Again, you’re twisting yourself in a pretzel to try to insist not signing the NPT prevents any ability to provide military aid, which was obviously a lie.

 

[Hog-train]

So maintaining their fleet of F-16 doesn’t count as military aid for Pakistan? FFS, F-16’s can be armed with nuclear weapons.

Money to maintain their fleet is completely different than giving them new weapon systems.

India’s “exemption” was only related to civilian nuclear power, not nuclear arms. It had NO implication for military aid or arms.

Bullshit. The U.S. successfully lobbied the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) to grant India a special waiver for not signing the NPT. India now has a comprehensive safeguards agreement with the IAEA and is a special status designated member.

That and the passing of the 2008 US-India Act is only when we started selling weapons to them (after having completely stopped and sanctioning them for getting nukes in the 90's.)

As opposed to Israel who we NEVER sanctioned for getting nukes and not signing the NPT. And also NEVER stopped sending them weapons.

Again, you’re twisting yourself in a pretzel to try to insist not signing the NPT prevents any ability to provide military aid, which was obviously a lie.

U.S. law, specifically the Arms Export Control Act prohibits sending military weapons to countries developing nuclear weapons outside international frameworks (IAEA), as well as those that detonate nuclear explosions.

India abides by IAEA. Israel doesn't. It's key nuclear facilities are not subject to the IAEA's comprehensive safeguards and inspections designed to prevent the diversion of nuclear material for weapons.

Nice try making excuses for Israel though.