Israel Adesanya Lean Back/Pull Back Technique

I don't think you understand MMA - you can't just "walk right through" someone that has length/reach/speed/technical footwork/better striking tools/etc.

What type of fighter is Izzy? He's a technical out-fighter, he wants to sit at range and snipe off opponents that either sit at distance or counter opponents that aren't able to effectively pressure (not technical enough with closing footwork/feints/etc. and can't match him in length/reach/speed so he has edges).

What type of fighter is Costa? He's a technical brawler that likes to pressure but does so pretty recklessly at times (Achilles heel of the brawler, complete faith in their chin as the last line of defense); he's willing to eat 2 to land 1 because he knows he takes damage better than his opponents (tougher than almost anyone), so he wants to walk opponents into the fence and then unload hell on their body.

You seem to have this idea that Costa is an unstoppable badass that can just absorb damage like it's nothing; as noted, he got dropped by a Uriah Hall jab and looked slightly hurt, so he is not some unstoppable god that can't be touched. He has a lot of defensive holes and the advantages are going to be significant - 4 inches of height, 8 inches of reach, going against someone that has the best linear striking in the division and most technical defensive footwork; that's not a recipe for success, that's a hell of a mountain to overcome.

Not saying Costa can't do it because the dude is an absolute beast and if can hurt or trap Izzy can certainly stun and finish him; if it's a smaller cage then I think his chances go up considerably, but in the 30-foot cage there is so much room to work with that it's almost impossible to trap opponents like Izzy (they will always stay on their bike to stay off the cage). I don't know why you think Izzy is going to just let himself get walked back into the cage and sit there when he's literally never done that in his entire MMA career.

Hagler vs. Hearns, while one of the greatest match-ups/short fights of all-time, was a boxing match - this isn't boxing though, there are more target areas then the head and body, more weapons then 4 types of punches, and there are a lot more strategies/tactics to employ so you aren't in non-stop fire-fight where you can't avoid getting hit. The reason Izzy is champ is because he's avoided brawling and forced opponents to fight him technically; maybe Costa can be the guy to change that and create a more Gastelum-like brawl in there where there are prolonged exchanges.

Also if we learned anything from that fight it was that Hearns employed a terrible strategy as he tried to brawl a brawler when he was a far superior technical boxer (remember that concept about brawling a boxer and brawling a boxer?). Strategy matters, it's not just about being a physical specimen - Hagler didn't force Hearns to brawl, that was a decision Hearns made in the first and it was a fatal mistake.

Since you are so confident please do share your bet-slip with us.

I understand MMA (and plenty of other forms of combat) better than you.

Aside from Hagler/Hearns, also watch Barkley/Hearns I ... Barkley was getting murdered by Hearns, trying to "box him," and then his corner told him to "fight the MFer" ... and Barkley turned it into a street brawl, and KO'd Hearns, who was 1000x times better boxer and puncher than Izzy. And Barkley wasn't half the specimen Costa is.

You write all of this stuff that is self-explanatory. I understand Izzy is technically-sound. I understand he's the better counter-striker. Same as Hearns was better (on every possible level) than Barkley, from speed to timing, to punch.

What you need to understand is the role of physical superiority. Barkley had two things on Hearns and those were a better chin and a tougher constitution.

Izzy really doesn't have a whole lot going for him over Costa, not as much as Hearns had over Barkley—and yet Barkley got the win by making a street brawl out of it. (Juan Roldan almost got a similar KO of Hearns, but Hearns got him first.)

That is the way to beat Izzy, not trying to "outpoint him," or "catch him" from the outside (or by jumping in from the outside) ... the way to beat him is by making an absolute street brawl out of it, where Costa's advantage in strength, power, physical durability will wear Izzy down.

All of the effort, the physical contact, of interacting with Costa, will tax Izzy's body, and especially legs, more than it will ever affect Costa.

As I said, Costa may get caught cold. I know he has suffered flash knockdowns before, you've not telling me anything I don't already know.

The point you need to recognize about Costa is 1) he gets right back up, and (more importantly) and 2) it doesn't faze him in the least. He is still after your ass trying to knock you TF out.

Also, Romero and Hall are extremely powerful men, unlike Izzy, and they could not hold Costa off of them.

I think Costa's relentless, non-stop brutal pace, brutal power, and just sheer physical superiority will wear Izzy down.

The only way Costa loses is 1) if he disappoints and comes out tentatively, which I doubt, or 2) he gets caught cold early.

If Costa fights his typical relentless, pummeling, non-stop pressure style—and doesn't get caught—then he will batter and wilt Izzy into a KO or quit.
 
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Izzy favored since Costa will need to take more risks to score. Costa chin could help him get inside and neutralize Izzy reach. I am hoping for more action but Izzy moves well and frustrates his opponents so they take bigger risks opening themselves up. Pinning Izzy on the fence and dirty boxing like Randy might offer another way to score some points and minimize getting pieced up. Maybe get a TD. Just guesses. At least Costa brings another different challenge to Izzy but hope his camp brings a smart plan.
 
I understand MMA (and plenty of other forms of combat) better than you.

Aside from Hagler/Hearns, also watch Barkley/Hearns I ... Barkley was getting murdered by Hearns, trying to "box him," and then his corner told him to "fight the MFer" ... and Barkley turned it into a street brawl, and KO'd Hearns, who was 1000x times better boxer and puncher than Izzy. And Barkley wasn't half the specimen Costa is.

You write all of this stuff that is self-explanatory. I understand Izzy is technically-sound. I understand he's the better counter-striker. Same as Hearns was better (on every possible level) than Barkley, from speed to timing, to punch.

What you need to understand is the role of physical superiority. Barkley had two things on Hearns and those were a better chin and a tougher constitution.

Izzy really doesn't have a whole lot going for him over Costa, not as much as Hearns had over Barkley—and yet Barkley got the win by making a street brawl out of it. (Juan Roldan almost got a similar KO of Hearns, but Hearns got him first.)

That is the way to beat Izzy, not trying to "outpoint him," or "catch him" from the outside (or by jumping in from the outside) ... the way to beat him is by making an absolute street brawl out of it, where Costa's advantage in strength, power, physical durability will wear Izzy down.

All of the effort, the physical contact, of interacting with Costa, will tax Izzy's body, and especially legs, more than it will ever affect Costa.

As I said, Costa may get caught cold. I know he has suffered flash knockdowns before, you've not telling me anything I don't already know.

The point you need to recognize about Costa is 1) he gets right back up, and (more importantly) and 2) it doesn't faze him in the least. He is still after your ass trying to knock you TF out.

Also, Romero and Hall are extremely powerful men, unlike Izzy, and they could not hold Costa off of them.

I think Costa's relentless, non-stop brutal pace, brutal power, and just sheer physical superiority will wear Izzy down.

The only way Costa loses is 1) if he disappoints and comes out tentatively, which I doubt, or 2) he gets caught cold early.

If Costa fights his typical relentless, pummeling, non-stop pressure style—and doesn't get caught—then he will batter and wilt Izzy into a KO or quit.

"I understand MMA & Combat Sports Better than You"

:rolleyes:

Since you typed it we know it's true yeah? Seems if you were confident in your opinions you would just share them and let whomever reads it make that judgement - seems like a pretty insecure statement to make (whether factually true or not). Appreciate you letting me know your opinions are superior to mine, really strong way to lead an argument!

I actually can tell from your posts that you know a lot about combat sports and that's why I was wiling to intelligently engage you and try to see if you could help me understand something I was missing based on my own analysis. I understand your points about physicality and imposing your will on someone, but it's my overall perspective that at the elite levels the best-of-the-best are typically incredibly defensively sound (in all combat sports) and use that edge to exploit their opponents. Physicality only means so much if you have the technicality to impose it (or if your opponent chooses the wrong strategy that allows you to exploit it). Being bull-strong doesn't help you that much against someone that is quicker/better footwork and matador-fast; they snipe you and then aren't there when you attack. It's incredibly annoying as the shorter/stockier fighter to eat jabs/low-kicks as you try to close distance only to have your opponent continually escape laterally (or even worse pivot you at times).

Costa is far less defensively sound throughout fights, he comes in on a straight line and is willing to trade, always looking to load up on power, rarely feinting/jabbing to close distance. That works against a variety of opponents that aren't the-best-of-the-best but even they will have success on you; if you are getting flash knocked down from Uriah Hall's jab then you are going to be in a world of hurt from Izzy whether you believe it or not.

If you know about punching/damage from punches (as a far superior expert in all forms of combat sports you obviously do :D) then you know it's the punches you don't see that can hurt you/knock you down or out, not necessarily the hardest thrown punch. Uriah's jab was by no means a power punch and it stunned the shit out of and dropped Costa; he's going to be fighting a guy with far better footwork, far better jab, far better volume (more stuff you already know!) that strategically will not allow himself to get backed into the cage without escaping laterally every single time.

There are different strategies to beating Izzy as there are all fighters; not every opponent has the same tools to exploit the same holes, so some fighters will have better chances. Whittaker tried to "pressure" Izzy and that played right into Izzy's hands - the closest fights he's had are against guys who stall him out for long periods (Romero distance staring contest where he respects the power+counter ability) or guys that can counter him with power by looking to slip inside (Gastelum).

You already know all this though, so nothing to be gained from posting with me further I guess ;)
 
I’m thinking Izzy wins this because he’s a more technical striker. But either way, I’m super psyched for this matchup. That being said, who knows? It might be end up being dull.
 
I love how it's always things like "Izzy struggled with ______, imagine what Costa will do!" while completely ignoring that the only times Israel struggled in fights in his MMA career were against southpaws, in the case of Romero and Gastelum, very fast southpaws with an additional wrestling threat.
I'm not saying this to downplay Costa as a fighter, but matchup-wise, i don't think he has the tools that made Izzy struggle in past fights in MMA.
He's orthodox,
he's got no real wrestling-threat,
he's quite hittable,
he's not as fast as Gastelum or Romero
...and he doesn't have the timing (accuracy) of Gastelum or Romero either.

Now again, don't get me wrong, Costa is a very good fighter, obviously deserves this title shot and with his physicality, is always a big threat too, but i think Israel should be the rightful favorite here and as for those talking about Costa just walking through Israel's strikes, i just want to remind people that a well placed punch right on the button does not need to have tons of power to make you crumble.
 
Costa is far too slow for Izzy, look at the damage Romero put on him, Izzy is much faster. After that punch in the face that Romero gave him in the first round, I don't think Izzy is going to be very easy to get a hold of in his next fight.
 
"I understand MMA & Combat Sports Better than You"

:rolleyes:

Since you typed it we know it's true yeah? Seems if you were confident in your opinions you would just share them and let whomever reads it make that judgement - seems like a pretty insecure statement to make (whether factually true or not). Appreciate you letting me know your opinions are superior to mine, really strong way to lead an argument!

Really?

Wasn't it you who said, to me, "I don't think you understand MMA"?

This is why I said, "I understand MMA & Combat Sports better than you."

You seem to fancy yourself as the determiner of who knows what.

I think you're the one who led this into an argument by saying, "I don't think you understand MMA" ;)

Try approaching me different and will see what happens.


I actually can tell from your posts that you know a lot about combat sports and that's why I was wiling to intelligently engage you and try to see if you could help me understand something I was missing based on my own analysis.

LOL, now your admitting "(you)can tell from (my) posts that (I) know a lot about combat sports." <45>

In point of fact, I did help you understand something you're missing: physicality + constitution.

Some fighters have these things but don't use them to their uttermost. Paulo Costa appears to know he is a superior specimen to anyone he's ever faced, and imposes himself on them accordingly.


I understand your points about physicality and imposing your will on someone, but it's my overall perspective that at the elite levels the best-of-the-best are typically incredibly defensively sound (in all combat sports) and use that edge to exploit their opponents. Physicality only means so much if you have the technicality to impose it (or if your opponent chooses the wrong strategy that allows you to exploit it). Being bull-strong doesn't help you that much against someone that is quicker/better footwork and matador-fast; they snipe you and then aren't there when you attack. It's incredibly annoying as the shorter/stockier fighter to eat jabs/low-kicks as you try to close distance only to have your opponent continually escape laterally (or even worse pivot you at times).

Depends on who were talking about. I gave 3 examples where 3 men imposed their will on Thomas Hearns, 2 of whom knocked him out, the other one came close, but got knocked out. (This may happen to Costa too, but I doubt it.)

Marvin Hagler was better all the way around than Thomas Hearns, and steam-rolled him ... but both Barclay and Roldan were inferior athletes.

Yet both of them (especially Barclay) were physically tougher than Hearns.

You said imposing yourself on someone "can't be done in MMA," but I beg to differ.

Why do you think Khabib and Usman are so absolutely dominant? They have superior physicality to their opponents, and they know it, and they apply relentless pressure against opponents ... who may be technically faster, superior .. but are ultimately physically weaker, and not made of the same mettle. Khabib and Usman both completely dominate their opponents with their physical superiority, and break them, time-and-time again.

If you pay attention, Paulo Costa is exactly like this, but is more striking-based than grappler-based. Costa has repeatedly backed every single person he's ever faced all over the cage, wearing them out physically and mentally, basically knocking everyone TF out, save the one another physical specimen he faced in Yoel Romero.

Everything you say may or may not prove to be true, except I disagree with you regarding Costa's technical soundness. He is better than you're giving him credit for.

Costa throws extremely-hard, leveraged left hooks to the liver, as well as right hooks to the spleen and ribs, also adding heavy kicks to both sides of the abdomen as well. I mean super heavy. And he continues to do this round-after-round. If you watch, Costa's body shots have earned him as many or more wins as his head shots. (His body shots have set up almost all of his head shots also.)

Where Whittaker and Gastelum head-hunted, Costa will not do this. Costa's destroying Adessanya's body will prove to be the difference. It will also prove to be why Adessanya gets knocked out.

This brings us back to the subject title of this thread, Adessanya leaning back. Izzy is going to have his ribs murdered, and that's going to affect his leaning-back style. After he takes a few devastating body shots, he is going to lean forward and start covering up more, and that's when Paulo Costa is going to knock him out.

Of course I may be wrong, but this is how I envision the fight.


Costa is far less defensively sound throughout fights, he comes in on a straight line and is willing to trade, always looking to load up on power, rarely feinting/jabbing to close distance. That works against a variety of opponents that aren't the-best-of-the-best but even they will have success on you; if you are getting flash knocked down from Uriah Hall's jab then you are going to be in a world of hurt from Izzy whether you believe it or not.

Paulo Costa is a walking, talking definition of the adage, "Your best offense is your best defense."

When you fight someone in the center of the ring, especially a taller fighter, and you rush -in (like Whittaker did) that's the hardest you can possibly be hit—if the taller fighter has his feet planted and times you right.

But that's not how Costa fights. He doesn't jump in there, he walks you down (at a very fast pace) walks right through your punches, blocking most—and never stops coming after you—which means Adessanya is going to be backpedaling. The moment a tall fighter starts backpedaling, especially if he's not allowed to set himself, all the leverage on his punches is gone. The more physical Costa is with Adessanya , the better his chances of winning.

And, BTW, Costa did not get dropped from a Uriah Hall's jab, but from an inside hook, elbow-in.



If you know about punching/damage from punches (as a far superior expert in all forms of combat sports you obviously do :D) then you know it's the punches you don't see that can hurt you/knock you down or out, not necessarily the hardest thrown punch. Uriah's jab was by no means a power punch and it stunned the shit out of and dropped Costa; he's going to be fighting a guy with far better footwork, far better jab, far better volume (more stuff you already know!) that strategically will not allow himself to get backed into the cage without escaping laterally every single time.

For someone who claims to want to "intelligently discuss" the topic, your sarcastic insertions belie your true intent.

Again, Uriah Hall did not drop Costa with a jab but with a short hook.
2nd, Hall is a much stronger, more devastating puncher than Izzy.
3rd, you're right, it's absolutely possible that Izzy will catch Costa coming in, just like he caught Whittaker.

However, I don't think it's the same story.

For starters, I think Whittaker is chinney. He's been dropped many times, even knocked-out before, with one punch KOs. 2nd, Whittaker flies in there recklessly, hands down, chin up. Costa doesn't do this.

Paulo Costa is a stronger man than Whittaker, has a thicker skull than Whittaker, has a thicker neck than Whittaker, and I think is just a tougher man than Robert Whittaker. He also hits harder and is physically more imposing. If Izzy clips Costa, and drops him, it will not be devastating to Costa. I think Costa will get right back up and be hunting Izzy's ass, with renewed vigor, precisely as he's done in the past. He's a completely different animal than Robert Whittaker.


There are different strategies to beating Izzy as there are all fighters; not every opponent has the same tools to exploit the same holes, so some fighters will have better chances. Whittaker tried to "pressure" Izzy and that played right into Izzy's hands - the closest fights he's had are against guys who stall him out for long periods (Romero distance staring contest where he respects the power+counter ability) or guys that can counter him with power by looking to slip inside (Gastelum).

Completely disagree. Whittaker fought a lame fight against Adessanya, a stupid fight. He didn't pressure Izzy at all (I thought I covered this back in the beginning).

Whittaker stayed on the outside, then rushed-in blindly with haymakers, rather than walking Adessanya down in the style befitting Costa. He had no sustained body attack, and appeared to be going for the KO with every shot, rather than looking to wear Izzy out.

Again, Whittaker also does not have the physicality of Costa. Whittaker has a skinny neck and a somewhat small chin and facial structure. This is why he has been KO'd, and will likely be KO'd again in the future. Paulo Costa is simply a better specimen than Whittaker.

Robert Whittaker has never fought anyone with the same ferocity, and relentless pursuit, backing them up all over the cage like Costa has. He fought Yoel Romero sporadically, and carefully; were as Paulo Costa backed Romero up all over the ring.


You already know all this though, so nothing to be gained from posting with me further I guess ;)

You have an extremely high opinion of yourself and think you're the only person who analyzes fights properly. Newsflash pal, you're not always right, and other people can and will see things you won't.

We both fancy ourselves as "analysts," you in your name directly, me in my title. Next month we will know who is who.
 
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Lean back/pull-back technique can be countered by targeting the mid-section.


Costa Rutten by vicious 1st round liver KO. You heard it here first.
Costa goes to the body a lot. Could pay off here
 
i do not think it's something Adesanya will continually do if Costa makes him pay for doing it. he has lots of different methods to defend strikes, it's not like he relies on leaning back.

Costa can go to the body and low kick him when he does it, but then i expect Adesanya to make adjustments and use his footwork to move around on angles and make Costa reach. i expect this will be a hard fight for both and an intriguing game of violent chess for us fans.
 
Adesanya's striking is so much better than Yoel Romero it's fucking comical.

Agreed, but it is telling that Israel didn't trust himself enough to take the offensive against Romero. They were both extremely tentative. I won't used the word scared because there is a level of ignorance to that label that can be attributed to a forum poster who makes that claim but they were darn close. Meanwhile Costa had zero fear when facing Yoel. None. He trusts himself in the heat of the moment against tough competition more than Israel does.
 
Agreed, but it is telling that Israel didn't trust himself enough to take the offensive against Romero. They were both extremely tentative. I won't used the word scared because there is a level of ignorance to that label but they were darn close. Meanwhile Costa had zero fear when facing Yoel. None. He trusts himself in the heat of the moment against tough competition more than Israel does.
Whittaker fought Romero hard for 50 minutes....He tried the same with Adesanya and got destroyed.

Styles make fights. Adesanya wants fighters to come after him. Anderson Silva fought the same and whenever any fighter didn't choose to engage him, he didn't do much either.
 
If somone leans youre strike dont stay in youre pocket swinging..

1.) Step a side then throw (trying to finish youre combination or catch will get you countered hence whittakers loss)

2.) Simply push youre oppenant when he leans (get him off balance.

3.) Strike to the body

4.) After you youre punch is leaned cover play defence or step back. So hes back at square one.

Usually a good fighter will see youre strike coming and then lean while countering...but the only guy ive seen do this was anderson the spider silva..

It took a few strikes that all missed for him to counter robert after he leaned he also relied heavily on his length and height to connect..

I was more dissapointed in robert than impressed with izzy.

Silva messed up with weidmen yea due to age and time it caught up with him.. But he took a step back and planted instead of moving back or bringing it back forward after that lean..

Because weidmen changed his footing once he missed he was able to stale mate him once silva messed up.

Costa is going to ko izzy in round 1..
 
Whittaker fought Romero hard for 50 minutes....He tried the same with Adesanya and got destroyed.

Styles make fights. Adesanya wants fighters to come after him. Anderson Silva fought the same and whenever any fighter didn't choose to engage him, he didn't do much either.

Correct assessment, but should the fight turn ugly I know who I like and who I don't which is unfair to Israel but I like the grit I saw in Costa against Yoel. I like it a lot. I'm hoping Costa can lay some hands, or feet, on him. I remember watching Anderson sub Chael and thinking to myself Anderson really was one of the greatest ever. I'm hoping that Costa can at the very least provide Israel the fight he deserves. The kind of fight that builds legends.
 
Correct assessment, but should the fight turn ugly I know who I like and who I don't which is unfair to Israel but I like the grit I saw in Costa against Yoel. I like it a lot. I'm hoping Costa can lay some hands, or feet, on him. I remember watching Anderson sub Chael and thinking to myself Anderson really was one of the greatest ever. I'm hoping that Costa can at the very least provide Israel the fight he deserves. The kind of fight that builds legends.
But didn't Adesanya prove that same grit, heart, toughness and will to win against Gastelum?

No one has finished Gastelum via strikes and Adesanya damn near killed him in that 5th, after being badly hurt himself.
 
This becomes a speed/response factor, not sure Costa is fast enough. Power and pressure are his keys to victory imo if he can avoid or eat the counters...
 
Lean back/pull-back technique can be countered by targeting the mid-section.


Costa Rutten by vicious 1st round liver KO. You heard it here first.
people act like he will only use this technique against Costa without realising he has a lot of tools in his arsenal and is very experienced, meaning he has faced many styles similar to Costa. Izzy can just easily just another strategy and if youre going to go to the body against a counter striker that skilled like Izy you leave your head right open for a moment which can be very dangerous
 
Douglas Lima would capitalise on that for sure. he punishes ppl for leaning forward. backward leaners would be 10x easier
 
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