Media Islam, Usman and Umur (64-2) make me realize how special Khabib is

[AfroBanana]

Islam is a b-rated Khabib with some decent (but risky) striking and Umar and Usman are like Wonderboy if he had high level grappling, which still probably makes them champs/future champs, but they are not the same fighters at all. Very different stylistically. Not nearly as offensive with forward pressure and grappling dominance.

It’s not even close on the feet Islam is better.

Islam has a more diverse submission game.

Calling him b-rated is weird.

Khabib always does the same thing to win where Islam is confident everywhere and wins in a variety of ways. As if Khabib would ever have the balls to have a kickboxing match with Dustin or Charles.

I’m not trying to shit on Khabib here, I have more confidence in Islam if one thing isn’t working out than I would Khabib.

Also I think Islam is good enough that if he faced Khabib it would just end up a striking match and Islam would win.

I get Khabib can get the best of him on the mat, in an mma fight I think Islam is good enough to neutralize him and the majority of the fight is on the feet.

Again not talking about tussling in practice on the mats but a sanctioned mma fight. I believe Islam is good enough at grappling and knows Khabib well enough to keep it on the feet.

I don’t believe Khabib could overcome the striking discrepancy the way Islam can the grappling.

Either way b-rated is kind of harsh since Islam is proven to be better in areas.

 

[AfroBanana]

Khabib doesn't need to come out of retirement to fight his friend who he mauls in the gym every day.

What does you still being obsessed with Khabib because he smashed your boy say about you? The projection and cope is off the wall.

29-0 now and forever

Show the videos of this. Because any video I’ve seen of training in that camp Khabib is an overweight whistle blowing onlooker who appears old. I hear about this Khabib that’s still training hard af but never seen him do a single conditioning cycle or doing anything other than being a pot bellied coach in every video that emerges. Yet he’s “beating the shit” out of his champions. I’m not talking anicdotes of anyone glazing him either. Even prime Khabib has never been on video mauling Islam. I’ve only seen Khabib doing like 10 partial tension pushups.

 

[MarioLemieux]

Show the videos of this. Because any video I’ve seen of training in that camp Khabib is an overweight whistle blowing onlooker who appears old. I hear about this Khabib that’s still training hard af but never seen him do a single conditioning cycle or doing anything other than being a pot bellied coach in every video that emerges. Yet he’s “beating the shit” out of his champions. I’m not talking anicdotes of anyone glazing him either. Even prime Khabib has never been on video mauling Islam. I’ve only seen Khabib doing like 10 partial tension pushups.

He's by no means pot bellied lol. Khabib is yolked, muscular but not juicing. He just stores a ton of fat in his face.

There really is very little sparring/heavy grappling footage from inside their gym. This is the only most recent footage of them grappling with any intention.



"pot bellied" lol Khabib is a fucking tank.

I saw another video of Khabib and Umar going at it that I'll try to find. Khabib literally suplexed him.

 

[MarioLemieux]

It’s not even close on the feet Islam is better.

Islam has a more diverse submission game.

Calling him b-rated is weird.

Khabib always does the same thing to win where Islam is confident everywhere and wins in a variety of ways. As if Khabib would ever have the balls to have a kickboxing match with Dustin or Charles.

I’m not trying to shit on Khabib here, I have more confidence in Islam if one thing isn’t working out than I would Khabib.

Also I think Islam is good enough that if he faced Khabib it would just end up a striking match and Islam would win.

I get Khabib can get the best of him on the mat, in an mma fight I think Islam is good enough to neutralize him and the majority of the fight is on the feet.

Again not talking about tussling in practice on the mats but a sanctioned mma fight. I believe Islam is good enough at grappling and knows Khabib well enough to keep it on the feet.

I don’t believe Khabib could overcome the striking discrepancy the way Islam can the grappling.

Either way b-rated is kind of harsh since Islam is proven to be better in areas.

Being better on the feet means nothing. 90% of the UFC roster is more dynamic on the feet than Khabib. Khabib's stability, chin, mean streak, fight iq, and most importantly grappling is what made him close to invincible. Every moment Islam is standing he is in danger. All strikers get KO'ed even Pereira and Silva tier strikers.

I'm the authority on this because I've watched ALL of their fights.

Islam went life and death with:
Poirier
Mansour Barnoui
Wade
Arman
Volk
and Adriano Martins

Khabib's only close fight was with a juiced to the gills Tibau when Khabib was green at 23 and he took zero damage.

 

[AfroBanana]

Being better on the feet means nothing. 90% of the UFC roster is more dynamic on the feet than Khabib. Khabib's stability, chin, mean streak, fight iq, and most importantly grappling is what made him close to invincible. Every moment Islam is standing he is in danger. All strikers get KO'ed even Pereira and Silva tier strikers.

I'm the authority on this because I've watched ALL of their fights.

Islam went life and death with:
Poirier
Mansour Barnoui
Wade
Arman
Volk
and Adriano Martins

Khabib's only close fight was with a juiced to the gills Tibau when Khabib was green at 23 and he took zero damage.

None of that matters really styles make fights.

Khabib was low IQ before AKA tbh. They really dialed him in around the Johnson fight. He threw arm punches and spammed bad takedowns in open space.

They taught him patience, how to leverage and use the cage much better. Is a reason he had DC as a wrestling coach and Javier and other for striking and BJJ.

Islam won’t be easy to takedown, but Khabib can’t win on the feet with Khabib. Khabib would have many issues if he chose to fight to strengths like Islam.

Islam was on the feet with these guys. Khabib can’t out box Charles or Dustin. He was in panic takedown mode with Justin. Islam probably kickboxes Justin and KO’s him despite taking any damage or not. Khabib wouldn’t dare. Islam can compete more with Khabib on the ground than Khabib can Islam on the feet.

 

[MarioLemieux]

None of that matters really styles make fights.

Khabib was low IQ before AKA tbh. They really dialed him in around the Johnson fight. He threw arm punches and spammed bad takedowns in open space. They right him how to leverage and use the cage much better. Islam won’t be easy to takedown, but Khabib can’t win on the feet with Khabib. Khabib would have many issues if he chose to fight to strengths like Islam.

Khabib handles Islam in spars according to their head coach and I disagree with your assessment that Khabib can't win on the feet with Islam. Islam is flipping, falling and flopping all over the place when he strikes. He doesn't have the same chin, stability, or fight IQ and Khabib would also have the wrestlers advantage in the striking which is how he outstruck more diverese strikers like Conor and Barboza.

He would break Islam in a fight just like he does in the gym. He's just more dialed in, meaner and fights more intelligently. Not to mention he knows all of Islam's weaknesses and Islam has a bad case of big brother complex with Khabib.

 

[AfroBanana]

Khabib handles Islam in spars and I disagree with your assessment that Khabib can't win on the feet with Islam. Islam is flipping, falling and flopping all over the place when he strikes. He doesn't have the same chin, stability, or fight IQ and Khabib would also have the wrestlers advantage in the striking which is how he outstruck more diverese strikers like Conor and Barboza.

He would break Islam in a fight just like he does in the gym. He's just more dialed in, meaner and fights more intelligently.

Show me Khabib winning a fight by KO on the feet also show me a video Khabib breaking Islam in training under mma or even sparring rule and I’ll concede.

Again Islam could compete against Khabib better on grappling that Khabib could Islam in striking. It should be obvious.

 

[MarioLemieux]

Show me Khabib winning a fight by KO on the feet also show me a video Khabib breaking Islam in training under mma or even sparring rule and I’ll concede.

Again Islam could compete against Khabib better on grappling that Khabib could Islam in striking. It should be obvious.

Why do you keep asking me for hard sparring footage when it's close to forbidden in their camp? Javier Mendez saying Khabib dominates is enough he's both of their coaches. He's not going to lie.

Khabib has one shot power that he demonstrated in a couple fights but he doesn't need to knock Islam out to beat him. He'll just use his boxing, forward pressure, superior chin, fight iq and grappling to give him the wrestlers advantage and keep Islam guessing, tag him and then grapple fuck him.

Islam himself admits Khabib is better. Do you want to see that video again?

 

[Eric Silva 2.0]

Umar and Usman sit back and wait for the fight to come to them.

That's the biggest difference. I'd like to see them become more agressive.

I think the biggest difference is top game and control. Both Umar and Usman are strikers and both have very good grappling. They don't have top control and don't do damage like Khabib when they get top position.

 

[Gregoire1]

make me realize how weak was Khabibs opposition and how cowardly Khabib was picking his opponents, not to mention he was weight cheat ​

 

[Gregoire1]

Islam today has clearly better resume. Peak for peak its close. IMO it the fight between them its 50/50, but if we run their peak versions to fight all best peak fighters from FW, LW and WW, Islam would win more.

 

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[Superzorro]

The Usman that fought tonight would probably lose to prime Justin, but guess what? He's only 26 so he'll get much better.

He'll never be as good as Khabib though because Khabib was wrecking peak RDA when Khabib was only 25.

Yeah, you're on one. I didn't think you would take it that far. Imagine being so committed to inflating Khabib's strength of schedule that you would try arguing Justin Gaethje is a good wrestler and would beat Usman Nurmagomedov. Gaethje would have absolutely nothing for a fighter like Usman. If you're having close, life and death fights with an old Chandler, and getting dominated by featherweights, you bring nothing to the table that would be a challenge for someone like Usman.

 

[mister piscadinha]

Islam is a b-rated Khabib with some decent (but risky) striking and Umar and Usman are like Wonderboy if he had high level grappling, which still probably makes them champs/future champs, but they are not the same fighters at all. Very different stylistically. Not nearly as offensive with forward pressure and grappling dominance.

umar and usman are nowhere near wonderboy level of striking, they're good and thats it

 

[mkess101]

Khabib hasn't fought anyone like Paul Hughes? Prime Gaethje, RDA and Poirier would kill Paul Hughes what a dumb statement.

Khabib would dominate little man Volk in the wrestling. Even Islam dominated Volk in the wrestling besides round 5 overall and Khabib smokes Islam in a grapple.

You realize that reports from AKA are that Islam held his own grappling with Khabib when they rolled, right? DC has said it numerous times, that both "had their days".

 

[mkess101]

Why do you keep asking me for hard sparring footage when it's close to forbidden in their camp? Javier Mendez saying Khabib dominates is enough he's both of their coaches. He's not going to lie.

Khabib has one shot power that he demonstrated in a couple fights but he doesn't need to knock Islam out to beat him. He'll just use his boxing, forward pressure, superior chin, fight iq and grappling to give him the wrestlers advantage and keep Islam guessing, tag him and then grapple fuck him.

Islam himself admits Khabib is better. Do you want to see that video again?

You think Islam is gonna say anything else? That's his mentor and essentially big brother. And Javier knows this as well.

Most guys at AKA have been hesitant to say much about it but DC has (probably because he's now paid to comment on fighting). He absolutely didn't say Khabib ran through Islam when they trained hard.

You seem to have some idol worship stuff to work through with Khabib. That's fine, but it's pretty obvious as an FYI. The guy was great, no doubt. But you seem to want him to be Superman.

 

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[MarioLemieux]

You think Islam is gonna say anything else? That's his mentor and essentially big brother. And Javier knows this as well.

Most guys at AKA have been hesitant to say much about it but DC has (probably because he's now paid to comment on fighting). He absolutely didn't say Khabib ran through Islam when they trained hard.

You seem to have some idol worship stuff to work through with Khabib. That's fine, but it's pretty obvious as an FYI. The guy was great, no doubt. But you seem to want him to be Superman.

I'm just stating all available evidence and it all points to Khabib being better and haters have a problem with reality.

Funny you mention DC, he is a friend and commentator of both guys, obviously he's not going to come in the middle, but he did a bit with Chael a couple weeks ago and said Khabib was the GOAT over Islam. I doubt his opinion changed because Islam beat Moicano.

- Their coach Javier says Khabib beats Islam
- Islam says Khabib beat Islam
- the limited videos we have show Khabib handling Islam
- Islam has gone life or death with Poirier, Wade, Adriano Martins, Arman, Volk, and Mansour
- Islam has gotten dropped many times
- Islam has gotten beaten up many times and taken facial damage
- Islam has gotten finished and has an L

There's pretty much zero reason to choose Islam over Khabib at this point unless you're a salty hater other than title defences. Khabib is still the better fighter.

The subtle differences in their grappling techniques give Khabib a massive edge. It's the difference between GOAT tier and elite.

 

[mkess101]

I'm just stating all available evidence and it all points to Khabib being better and haters have a problem with reality.

Funny you mention DC, he is a friend and commentator of both guys, obviously he's not going to come in the middle, but he did a bit with Chael a couple weeks ago and said Khabib was the GOAT. I doubt his opinion changed because Islam beat Moicano.

- Their coach Javier says Khabib beats Islam
- Islam says Khabib beat Islam
- the limited videos we have show Khabib handling Islam
- Islam has gone life or death with Poirier, Wade, Adriano Martins, Arman, Volk, and Mansour
- Islam has gotten dropped many times
- Islam has gotten beaten up many times and taken facial damage
- Islam has gotten finished and has an L

There's pretty much zero reason to choose Islam over Khabib at this point unless you're a hater other than title defences. Khabib is still the better fighter.

The subtle differences in their grappling techniques give Khabib a massive edge.

That's not the point I was making. It's not nuts to say Khabib is better or his career is. You just don't need to make up stories to defend that position. By all accounts, Islam held his own just fine when the two of them went hard in practice. Doesn't mean that Javier or anyone else don't believe Khabib was better or would win if they fought. That's different than making up stories and pretending that Khabib just handled Islam when they rolled.

Hell, even Abdulmap back in the day said that Islam was the only one who would give Khabib real problems in practice. That's Khabib's own father saying it!

 

[Söze Aldo]

Islam's striking is tiers above Khabibs and their grappling in not far off. Islam already has the argument of better LW career than Khabib.