News Islam Makhachev becomes #1 P4P

loisestrad said:
Not saying that Islam doesn't deserve it, but saying "especially over Jones lol" is just silly. Jones is actually the one to go up a weight class and become champ - that's pretty much the definition of P4P, or at least solidyfies the claims of being P4P.
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You gotta account for the strengths and weaknesses of the opponent though, Jones got to fight a guy with less than 5 years pro MMA experience, less than 15 pro fights & a weak ground game.

Give Islam an opportunity like that at welterweight and see what happens lol.
 
loisestrad said:
Not saying that Islam doesn't deserve it, but saying "especially over Jones lol" is just silly. Jones is actually the one to go up a weight class and become champ - that's pretty much the definition of P4P, or at least solidyfies the claims of being P4P.
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Jones's win over Cyril Gane was impressive, I'll give you that. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot, and underrating an extremely good fighter in Cyril Gane. I agree with you that going up is the definition of P4P.

That being said, that is his only win in 3! 3 and a half years. I'm sorry, but one win in that length of time no matter how good does not make you P4P 1.
 
svmr_db said:
You gotta account for the strengths and weaknesses of the opponent though, Jones got to fight a guy with less than 5 years pro MMA experience, less than 15 pro fights & a weak ground game.

Give Islam an opportunity like that at welterweight and see what happens lol.
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Yeah, sure. I guess there's an argument to be made that beating Volk (twice) is better than beating Gane, cuz Volk is the better P4P fighter.

The "lol" just seemed a bit much, lol.
 
Makhahchev will stay #1 p4p for a long time.
As long as he stays at LW, nobody can beat him.
 
Shay Brennan said:
Makhahchev will stay #1 p4p for a long time.
As long as he stays at LW, nobody can beat him.
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Well, Volk came pretty close the first time, and Islam hasn't even defended his belt against anyone other than Volk, plus he's not undefeated.

I know that came off a bit strong and made me sound like a hater, but I'm not. I don't even think Islam being #1 P4P is undeserved. It's just that things (as usual) aren't THAT black and white.
 
loisestrad said:
Well, Volk came pretty close the first time, and Islam hasn't even defended his belt against anyone other than Volk, plus he's not undefeated.

I know that came off a bit strong and made me sound like a hater, but I'm not. I don't even think Islam being #1 P4P is undeserved. It's just that things (as usual) aren't THAT black and white.
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I was rooting for Volk but he only won one round and that is round 5.

Makhachev just submitted the best submission artist in UFC history and outstriked the supposed best striker currently in UFC
Those are awesome credentials for someone who's just had the belt for 3 fights.

The main reason I believe he'll be very hard for anyone to beat is his wrestling. If the fight is not going his way on the feet he can always go back to his wrestling to steal rounds.
If one of the smartest fighters struggled and got outstruck then everyone will struggle.

Who do you think, out of the current LW roster, beats Makhachev?
 
Shay Brennan said:
I was rooting for Volk but he only won one round and that is round 5.
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Feel free to believe that. Out of 29 media scores only two had it 49-46 though.

I'm not saying that Islam wouldn't be the favorite against anyone. I'm just saying he isn't that far ahead of the pack to be saying stuff such as "As long as he stays at LW, nobody can beat him.".

He hasn't done enough to be considered unbeatable. Far from it.
 
Islam appears to be peaking now, but I don't see how beating a smaller guy (who came off the couch) makes him #1 P4P :confused:

Moving up in weight is supposed to give P4P status, not beating smaller guys who move up in weight to fight you, especially on short notice.

If Islam moves up, and beats Leon Edwards, then yeah, he he will rightfully deserve the #1 spot.

But right now, he does not.

Quite frankly, if Alex Pereira beats Jiri Procházka this weekend, then Alex Pereira should be the #1 P4P fighter, as a titleholder in 2 divisions.

Pereira would have decimated Israel Adesanya — something no other middleweight had done up to that point — he just be the former LHW titleholder and blah Błachowicz — and if he wins the they can LHW Championship, then not only should he be #1 P4P, but arguably Fighter of the Year, for winning two Championship belts, in two divisions, all within one year.
 
IronGolem007 said:
Islam appears to be peaking now, but I don't see how beating a smaller guy (who came off the couch) makes him #1 P4P :confused:

Moving up in weight is supposed to give P4P status, not beating smaller guys who move up in weight to fight you, especially on short notice.

If Islam moves up, and beats Leon Edwards, then yeah, he he will rightfully deserve the #1 spot.

But right now, he does not.

Quite frankly, if Alex Pereira beats Jiri Procházka this weekend, then Alex Pereira should be the #1 P4P fighter, as a titleholder in 2 divisions.

Pereira would have decimated Israel Adesanya — something no other middleweight had done up to that point — he just be the former LHW titleholder and blah Błachowicz — and if he wins the they can LHW Championship, then not only should he be #1 P4P, but arguably Fighter of the Year, for winning two Championship belts, in two divisions, all within one year.
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Pereira would be the weakest #1 P4P if he ever gets it, he got fast tracked to both title shots. He would most likely lose to Ankalaev and Rakic (if he were healthy). His ground game still sucks and narrowly squeaking by 40+ Jan Blachowicz at elevation isn't enough to make me think he's the best lhw in the world. But yeah let's wait and see how he looks vs Jiri this weekend.

Islam on the other hand would be favored and expected to defeat any lightweight in the world if they were booked within the next 6 months.
 
Isn't P4P the fantasy of who would win if they all magically became the same size <JagsKiddingMe> ?
Volk, despite being dwarfed by Islam handled himself competitively. How would same size Volk not demolish Islam in this scenario? <{1-10}>
If anything VOLK P4P OVER Islam :rolleyes:
 
loisestrad said:
Feel free to believe that. Out of 29 media scores only two had it 49-46 though.

I'm not saying that Islam wouldn't be the favorite against anyone. I'm just saying he isn't that far ahead of the pack to be saying stuff such as "As long as he stays at LW, nobody can beat him.".

He hasn't done enough though to be considered unbeatable. Far from it.
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Out of the current LW's nobody has the skillset to beat him.
And, he probably won't fight past 35.

Only way I can see somebody beating him is if someone new appears, some specialist with a good background in martial arts. Someone that can match his wrestling.

With how the division is as of now, Makhachev could retire as the undisputed LW GOAT easily.
And, he is only 2 fights away from that.
 
Kinda tired of the p4p talk at this point. UFC just sees it as a promotional tool so I don't put much stock in it.
 
svmr_db said:
Pereira would be the weakest #1 P4P if he ever gets it, he got fast tracked to both title shots. He would most likely lose to Ankalaev and Rakic (if he were healthy). His ground game still sucks and narrowly squeaking by 40+ Jan Blachowicz at elevation isn't enough to make me think he's the best lhw in the world. But yeah let's wait and see how he looks vs Jiri this weekend.
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Your giving "speculation" more weight than actual facts and sccomplishments.

The fact is, no MW could beat Adesanya — and Pereira goes in there and finishes him.
Your "opinion" that Pereira would lose to Ankalaev or Rakic is pure speculation.
Pereira could just as easily KO both of these individuals.

Speaking of opinions, I disagree that Pereira "barely squeaked by" Jan Błachowicz.
Pereira had a rough first round, but nullified every attack the Błachowicz made on the ground, and then proceeded to kick his ass the next two rounds.
All fellow fighters (on Twitter) were agreeing that Błachowicz look like he was ready to go.
Had that been a 5-Round fight, the exhausted, battered Błachowicz would not of made it to the end.
You have "your" opinion that Pereira "barely squeaked by," but in "my" opinion, it was Błachowicz who barely made it to the end.
Nonetheless, the fact is, Alex Pereira beat the former LHW Champion within one year of beating the previously-undefeated MW Champion.

Anyway, what matters in P4P ratings are actual accomplishments, across two (or more) divisions, and no one can touch his accomplishments this year.
If Pereira is successful against Jiri Procházka, and becomes the LHW Champion, within the same year defeated the previously-undefeated MW Adesanya, while beating former LHW Champion Błachowicz, there'll be no other UFC fighter with the actual accomplishments of Pereira.

Time will tell ...
 
svmr_db said:
Yeah damn Islam making Charles Oliveira pull out of the rematch so he could keep avoiding top lightweights. :(

/s
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Islam did flat out say he chose volk instead of gamrot, a ranked lightweight that was prepared and already going to abu dhabi. I get it though, because for some reason people still wanted to see the volk rematch even under those conditions -- it was the bigger fight -- but at the end of the day, it was Islam's decision not to defend against a prepared LW.

He still deserves to be number one though. He beat the only other guy with an argument (I personally don't include jones due to inactivity).
 
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