International Isis/syria/iraq thread

[Fronk]

A few more points and the whole Aleppo rebel offensive will have been reversed. It seemed likely they would fail in the long run when they couldn't widen their breach. That is alot of men and equipment the jihadists lost for nothing.

They named the offensive after Ibrahim Yusuf, an officer who killed 32 people in Aleppo during the Islamist insurgency in the 70's by seperating Alewites from Sunni cadets in a military school and killing them. They promised to "finish what he started". Guess no sectarian slaughter in the end, probably very dissapointing for them.

 

[carlos cadona]

And we're right back where we were, but now JAF has less armor and troops.

 

[Videer]

Abu Omar al-Homsi the military leader of jihadist group formerly known as Nusra Front droned along with atleast few other Nusra leaders.

 

[carlos cadona]

Abu Omar al-Homsi the military leader of jihadist group formerly known as Nusra Front droned along with atleast few other Nusra leaders.

Good, fuck them. I just hope it was the U.S. that did it.

 

[whougonnacall]

Good, fuck them. I just hope it was the U.S. that did it.

Who else would it be ? A precision drone strike on actual military ranked leadership targets isnt gonna be russia outside of blind luck.
The u.s is serious about this push for peace by weeks end..we'l see their response if deadline passes

Other news
-Turk govermemt announces gearing up of camapign. Hundreds of apcs and tanks at borders now as well are artillery pieces.
Huge swathes of isis territory being gobbled up as the growing fsa force and turks meet limited reistance so far ,refugees now being sent back to cleared areas.

-one half of the 2 oil smuggling brothers who set up and run the regime milita 'dessert hawks'has left country for reasons unknown , remaining brother seen as the cooler head

-isreal strikes hezbollah queintra targets again in response to shelling

 

[Fronk]

I don't think it was the US. It's not the first time the SyAAF has carried out precision strikes on high profile rebel leaders like Abdul Qader Saleh and Zahran Alloush.

If it was indeed the US then it has to be a change in policy, it's the first time they targeted AQ leadership that doesn't also have ties to cells working against the US in Afghanistan(the Khorosan group). Apparently they where organizing a counter-attack in Aleppo during the strike.

 

[BBT13]

IS takes out two Turkish tanks, second shot is really pushing the maximum range of ATGM used (not sure which but not a ot or a TOW) at some 4 km. Nicely shows how it is never quite safe from a constant ATGM threat.

Russian - 9M113 Konkurs

 

[BBT13]

Washington post reports u.s giving russia end of week to reach deal (or what?)
Deal if sealed will involve both rebels and regime militas pull back to form a buffer zone to allow humanatarian aid into aleppo
Followed by whats left of syria air force grounded while ruaf and us air co ordinate on isis.

Russia not gonna sign up for that BS deal. That is just a standard political move to show that US is ready to negotiate, they need to provide a proposition and to avoid any real deals where they have to share they offer a deal that is laughable and of course will be rejected.

 

[Orgasmo]

Looks like the Aleppo offensive by the rebels failed to have any lasting effects. Now the Syrian army will probably focus its efforts on Hama and securing the entirety of Damascus. If they manage to pacify Aleppo, Hama and Damascus, Assad's survival is guaranteed. Granted, the Syria he controls would be a lot weaker and smaller, but he would not end up like Gaddafi.

 

[whougonnacall]

Russia not gonna sign up for that BS deal. That is just a standard political move to show that US is ready to negotiate, they need to provide a proposition and to avoid any real deals where they have to share they offer a deal that is laughable and of course will be rejected.

The russians also want a deal dude they dont want to be there forever operating at this pace nor do they wanna wait til hilary comes in and resets things.

 

[BBT13]

The russians also want a deal dude they dont want to be there forever operating at this pace nor do they wanna wait til hilary comes in and resets things.

Nobody said they dont. Just what deal?

 

[Zankou]

The russians also want a deal dude they dont want to be there forever operating at this pace nor do they wanna wait til hilary comes in and resets things.

That supposed 'deal' is retarded propaganda and nobody can take it seriously.

Like Assad and Russia are going to lift the siege so that ... what? The Magic? Jebus returns? Washington would have to actually offer something to get a deal.

 

[whougonnacall]

Nobody said they dont. Just what deal?

The one they are supposedly ironing out the finer points of as we speak

 

[whougonnacall]

That supposed 'deal' is retarded propaganda and nobody can take it seriously.

Like Assad and Russia are going to lift the siege so that ... what? The Magic? Jebus returns? Washington would have to actually offer something to get a deal.

-The standing down of the considerable rebel forces in the city allowing the regieme militas to redeploy its limited useful manpower elsewhere...ie think dayraa on a bigger scale.


-The further breakup of rebel forces into jihadi and acceptably moderate

-u.s using its far superior airpower assets switching more to hitting ex nursra

And a groundwork for some sort of soft partition while on a high note in a campaign that can only get worse for the regime axis going forward.(fsa growing into a juggernaught north due to turkey ,winter and hilary comming, rebels trying to form nationwide alliance ,isis in its death throes etc)...in simple terms deal while the goings good.

 

[Zankou]

Assad and Russia would only strike a deal that grants a favorable hard partition of some sort. What does 'standing down' of the rebels in Aleppo even mean? Either they leave or they don't. 'Standing' has nothing to do with it.

If you are implying the rebels would agree to leave the city, then yeah, maybe such a deal could be brokered. But they aren't going to agree to a deal that doesn't hand Aleppo over to Assad's control.

There might be some sort of bargaining that can be done in terms of attacking al-Nusra and letting the Turks rampage, I guess. But they won't give up Aleppo for that because Assad doesn't care.

 

[Lonesome Crow]

I don't think it was the US. It's not the first time the SyAAF has carried out precision strikes on high profile rebel leaders like Abdul Qader Saleh and Zahran Alloush.

If it was indeed the US then it has to be a change in policy, it's the first time they targeted AQ leadership that doesn't also have ties to cells working against the US in Afghanistan(the Khorosan group). Apparently they where organizing a counter-attack in Aleppo during the strike.

Whelp, it wasn't a US strike after all. Apparently it was....

...the Russians.

WASHINGTON: The Pentagon Friday said it played no role in the death of the commander of Syria's largest rebel coalition, who was killed in an airstrike near Aleppo.

Abu Omar Saraqeb, who led the former Al-Qaeda affiliate Nusra Front, which took on the new name of Jabhat Fatah al-Sham in July, reportedly died when a strike hit a meeting of rebel leaders.

The extremist Fateh al-Sham is a leading member of the Army of Conquest alliance, which was meeting Thursday night, killing Saraqeb and another rebel commander.

"It was not a U.S. strike," Pentagon spokesman Captain Jeff Davis said.

"Whatever happened there, it was not something that the U.S. military did."

A U.S.-led coalition is conducting daily strikes in northern Syria, but its focus is on ISIS and it has steered clear of the carnage unfolding in Aleppo, where Russian and Syrian government forces are battling rebels.

"We don't have any reason to be in Aleppo, it's not a place where ISIS is," Davis said.

A U.S. defense official later told AFP that Russia was the "leading suspect" in the strike.

 

[whougonnacall]

Assad and Russia would only strike a deal that grants a favorable hard partition of some sort. What does 'standing down' of the rebels in Aleppo even mean? Either they leave or they don't. 'Standing' has nothing to do with it.

If you are implying the rebels would agree to leave the city, then yeah, maybe such a deal could be brokered. But they aren't going to agree to a deal that doesn't hand Aleppo over to Assad's control.

There might be some sort of bargaining that can be done in terms of attacking al-Nusra and letting the Turks rampage, I guess. But they won't give up Aleppo for that because Assad doesn't care.

They dont leave but they also dont fight anymore unless some.chose to leave. ..the sort of localised deals the regime (iran and russia really) used a lot over the years to free up its precious useful manpower for deployment elsewhere.
Again its all about getting a deal done before things get worse for the regime axis

 

[Videer]

Another Turkish Patton goes poof.

 

[whougonnacall]

So 5 point deal with russia and u.s apparently agreed!
-syrian air force will stay on the ground from now on

-ceasefire/coh to be on again from 12th

-ALL besieged areas to recieve aid and recentl rebel regime battle grounds in aleppo around castello road will be buffer zone for unhindered aid

-us and russia to begin intel sharing on isis and nursra

-after pause u.s and russia to begin joint air operations on both nursa and isis

Itl be interesting too see if other parties like rebels ,iran etc accept this
Russia says assad has willingly accepted ir already (ie comrade sign the the fucking paper or wel let your people hang u)

 

[whougonnacall]

On rereading the syrian air force and russia can still fly but theres various conditions attached...bombing civilans is a strict no no now

In simple terms the deal forces all rebels to consider abandoning nursra
The regimes militas get to redeploy elsewhere but dont get to starve out a win in aleppo(unrealistic to hold anyway given fsa growing in north aleppo)