International Isis/syria/iraq thread

[GhostZ06]

anyone have any idea how many brigades turkeys deployed?

 

[carlos cadona]

anyone have any idea how many brigades turkeys deployed?

It was reported that very few Turkish soldiers actually entered Syria, somewhere around 200 special forces units. The rebels they were accompanying numbered around 2-5000. If you are talking about inside Turkey then I have no clue.

 

[GhostZ06]

It was reported that very few Turkish soldiers actually entered Syria, somewhere around 200 special forces units. The rebels they were accompanying numbered around 2-5000. If you are talking about inside Turkey then I have no clue.

so basically just mass spec-ops operations. i thought they fully mobilized some divisions

 

[whougonnacall]

Well some good news for the regime among this , besieged suburb of daryaa finaly taken
4 years of siege and starvation and amazing amounts of explosives rained down on such a small area ...article few months back said food was finaly running out but this confirms it.
All rebels allowed to leave but not carry heavy weapons , civilians allowed out.

 

[carlos cadona]

Well some good news for the regime among this , besieged suburb of daryaa finaly taken
4 years of siege and starvation and amazing amounts of explosives rained down on such a small area ...article few months back said food was finaly running out but this confirms it.
All rebels allowed to leave but not carry heavy weapons , civilians allowed out.

Apparently it also freed up around 8 thousand troops the SAA had manning the front line in that area too. They announced that the majority of those troops would be moving to the East Ghouta front.

 

[whougonnacall]

Apparently it also freed up around 8 thousand troops the SAA had manning the front line in that area too. They announced that the majority of those troops would be moving to the East Ghouta front.

Id say any troops freed up (more likely largely militas and foriegners than saa at this stage of the war and prob much less than 8k..rebels numbers there were est under 1k )
are far outweighed by the more important freeing up of air power....so much used in soo small an area.
The fallout from the rebels is of course anger at the dormant southern front aka jordans border force whos inactivity allowed this to occur.

In a bad week for assad (more aleppo ass raping, un report in on chem attacks , turkish intervention into war, losing another prov capital in hasaka , rebels in north trying to form countrywide alliance and of course clock ticking to hilary and the winter weather) this has been a rare ray of light.

 

[whougonnacall]

Damn kurds cant catch a break, turks begin airstrikes and artillery strikes on them and
Arab tribes in north raqqua area form anti ypg/sdf coalition..promise to kill any they catch.

Meanwhile isis launch large assault on regime held khanasir..theyve had success with big raids there before im sure this is them reaching for a win somewhere ..anywhere..

Meanwhile reports are parts outside al-bab have been mined and have been fortified, isis making its anti fsa/turkish stand there it seems.

 

[Zankou]

My guess is that the Syrian army will withdraw from the area after this, allowing Turkey to bombard the Kurds at will. Iraq and Iran are both more than happy to watch the Kurds get pummeled. It's clear from the development in the past month that Turkey and Russia had reached some sort of agreement over the division of Syria.

Big losers here are the Kurds, ISIS, and the 'rebels.' Turkey will normalize relations with Assad, fact, and the Kurds will get rolled back, fact. North will be stabilized by Turkish intervention hand-in-glove with the Russians and Iranians. The war is already over, even if the plebes aren't aware of it yet. Yalta already went down. Over the next month, you'll see this play out.

Turks just saw the writing on the wall and dropped trousers for Putin.

 

[Zankou]

http://english.aawsat.com/2016/08/a...-five-meetings-held-assad-normalize-relations

 

[Rod1]

Big losers here are the Kurds, ISIS, and the 'rebels.' Turkey will normalize relations with Assad, fact, and the Kurds will get rolled back, fact. North will be stabilized by Turkish intervention hand-in-glove with the Russians and Iranians. The war is already over, even if the plebes aren't aware of it yet. Yalta already went down. Over the next month, you'll see this play out.

Turks just saw the writing on the wall and dropped trousers for Putin.

Glad to see an end to fighting but it sucks for the Kurds, i hope they can at least get their state on Iraq.

 

[Zankou]

I'd like to see the Kurds keep their gainz, but at the end of the day, Turks gonna Turk.

 

[Lonesome Crow]

http://english.aawsat.com/2016/08/a...-five-meetings-held-assad-normalize-relations

Interesting. Asharq Al Awsat is owned by a member of the Saudi royal family. They can't be too thrilled with this development if it turns out to be true.

 

[Rod1]

I'd like to see the Kurds keep their gainz, but at the end of the day, Turks gonna Turk.

TBH, is it that bad? Turkey being friends with Russia, Israel, Iran and Syria would make a big bulwark towards middle eastern stability.

Sucks for the Kurds though.

 

[Zankou]

I'm not sure. I don't know that state solutions can really stabilize much at this point, now that sunni militancy is so decentralized and incessant. Look at places like Yemen, Somalia, Sudan, Pakistan.

 

[whougonnacall]

TBH, is it that bad? Turkey being friends with Russia, Israel, Iran and Syria would make a big bulwark towards middle eastern stability.

Sucks for the Kurds though.

I wouldnt say they are all allies now or some grand deal is on the table just that in matters of mutual interest (kurds ,russian turkish buisness links, bosphorous trade, turk rus gas pipeline) they can deal while still having divergent goals elsewhere....its the new normal basicaly.

The big winners here are the architects of this ....the russians
They have shown the middle east the u.s betraying their kurds allies
All helping reinforce the russian image of russia being reliable allies who will work with anyone to get deal done.

 

[GSP_37]

It's not Obama's fault white women go there to do humanitarian aid then get kidnapped for big ransom.

 

[whougonnacall]

So
-kerry lavrov meeting ,kerry again says no to kurd state

-turkey set to send in est 15k troops to establish roughly 110k by 40k safe corridor and build refugee camps there.

-isis posts videos of kids executing prisoners now...... shock is always their go to when shit isnt going well

-southern front fsa forced to release statement amid protests about daryaa fall
First civillians have arrived in hama
Under terms the civilans are allowed to go where they will just not back most reportedly going to idib
The 700 rebels to leave after but no heavy weapons or large cash to be taken, pics emerging show the extent of daryaas damage....its rubble basicaly

 

[Victor Maitland]

LOL the old "safe corridor" fiction.
Yes a safe corridor to keep open the supply route of stealing oil and keeping the jihadists supplied. The kurds threatened to block that so the Turks create their "safe corridor" .

 

[whougonnacall]

Interesting usatoday piece
Apparently f22 pilots were near where syrian air force were bombing close to u.s ground forces embeded with sdf
Tried to raise them and no response
So were authorised to go closer

Apaprently got within 2000ft without ever being noticed , looped the russian made plane 3 times !!
Not allowed to engage russian and syrian planes so will reportedly go closer to visual range as warning in future to help keep airspace lanes free (ie for coalation jets who are doing the actual anti isis work)
Seems a recipe for an expensive mid air collision or shootdown
The f22s will be forced to lose all their enormous advantages over the russian made planes and potentialy be engag ed in a close range dogfight.

 

[Rod1]

Hope the fighting ends up soon.

Poor kurds, Assad and Erdogan are going to fuck them real bad.