International Isis/syria/iraq thread

[Rod1]

1) yes they worked it out instead of going to all out war ....just as a u.s russia shootdown would be worked out.

2)they already know theyd be spanked they arent delusional , nor are they gonna choose suicide (aka nukes) to save face
Which leads to them having their bluff called and backing down

3)the ones in that part of aleppo yes , which is just as bad for the manpower strapped regime.

4)so would i but its not going to
Like i said no fly zone was just one option and even it wouldnt lead to war
More lukelyvwere aboutbto ratchet up sanctions, open up the arms freeze to rebels and maybe even let the southern front loose again.

6) you forget years of sickeningly corrupt arms deals means the gulf states are awash with small arms plus many other states will sell (eastern european has been a fav shop for them given they stock the ammo for the old soviet era weaponry the rebels are using )

1) So Americans will shoot down one Russian plane then apologize profusely for doing so and retreat?

2) So if the Russians bomb a military base the US will bomb a city? Are Americans suicidal but Russians arent?

3) Aleppo fall means that there are no more large cities in rebel hands, it will turn the rebels into countryside bandits and insurgents.

4) Opening up arms support is not going to change the fact that the rebels lack an air force.

6) Small arms wont stop indiscriminate bombing.

 

[Rod1]

Nope the base is history
assad is done, nothing can be done to stop that just delay it at this stage
itl be between his militas and the rebels to work sometuing out in the aftermath
This elimination of this pro isis milita is a +vs step

Assad is done, but not the regime, as long as they have Iranian and Russian backup.

If anything OPEC is done and as such the relevance of the GCC and the middle east at large is done too.

It works in the best interests of the USA to let Russians quagmire themselves in Syria, keeps the cheap oil flowing and OPEC being forced to pump as much as they can.

 

[Squall Leonhart]

Assad is done, but not the regime, as long as they have Iranian and Russian backup.

If anything OPEC is done and as such the relevance of the GCC and the middle east at large is done too.

It works in the beest interests of the USA to let Russians quagmire themselves in Syri

So you don't think obama will attack the syrians/russians? They keep saying that the options are on the table but he very likely won't

 

[Videer]

So you don't think obama will attack the syrians/russians? They keep saying that the options are on the table but he very likely won't

Barry has few months left, almost zero chance that he is going to do anything drastic.

 

[whougonnacall]

1) So Americans will shoot down one Russian plane then apologize profusely for doing so and retreat?

2) So if the Russians bomb a military base the US will bomb a city? Are Americans suicidal but Russians arent?

3) Aleppo fall means that there are no more large cities in rebel hands, it will turn the rebels into countryside bandits and insurgents.

4) Opening up arms support is not going to change the fact that the rebels lack an air force.

6) Small arms wont stop indiscriminate bombing.

1) not retreat but a deal would be worked out to avoid escalation

2) if they tried (emphasis on try) it be u.s air supremacy within the hour.

3)idilb is one large one, half of daara other multiple mid to small sized cities and towns everywhere
And as i said a guerilla type insurgency is just as bad for the manpower strapped regime

4)and they never have had one ...yet 3 times foriegn powers have had to step up or in to rescue the regime from collapse.

6) they will dont have to if they help the insurgency overall

 

[whougonnacall]

Assad is done, but not the regime, as long as they have Iranian and Russian backup.

If anything OPEC is done and as such the relevance of the GCC and the middle east at large is done too.

It works in the best interests of the USA to let Russians quagmire themselves in Syria, keeps the cheap oil flowing and OPEC being forced to pump as much as they can.

Id say they will support til it collapses then its extraction
Id say the in gulf. States wont be too long before more springs rise up

Id say the conflict itself has helped bleed enemies dry but the horrible precedent has been set that tyrants can use starvation , gas , civiliann and infrastructure targetting etc as legit weapons of war has been set.... pro assad or not i think we can all agree that something should have been done earlier ie a few tomahawks fired after ghouta and the threat of more if aid agencies work impeded/hospitals targetted

 

[Rod1]

1) not retreat but a deal would be worked out

2) if they tried (emphasis on try) it be u.s air supremacy within the hour.

3)idilb is one large one, half of daara other multiple mid to small sized cities and towns everywhere
And as i said a guerilla type insurgency is just as bad for the manpower strapped regime

4)and they never have had one ...yet 3 times foriegn powers have had to step up or in to rescue the regime from collapse.

6) they will dont have to if they help the insurgency overall

1) You are claiming it will be the exact same way as with Turkey, except it wont.

2) Pretty hard to establish air supremacy without air bases you know.

3) Idlib is on the hand of Nusra. I thought we werent counting Islamists as rebels isnt? Got a mind slip and showed your true colors?

4) So? these foreign powers arent leaving anytime soon.

6) An insurgence is manageable.

 

[Rod1]

Id say they will support til it collapses then its extraction
Id say the in gulf. States wont be too long before more springs rise up

Id say the conflict itself has helped bleed enemies dry but the horrible precedent has been set that tyrants can use starvation , gas , civiliann and infrastructure targetting etc as legit weapons of war has been set.... pro assad or not i think we can all agree that something should have been done earlier ie a few tomahawks fired after ghouta and the threat of more if aid agencies work impeded/hospitals targetted

That precedent has existed since the dawn of time.

I think for an arab like you seeing your fellow arabs being on the receiving end for once, must suck, of course for you Saddam gassing kurds was not a real precedent i guess.

 

[whougonnacall]

1) You are claiming it will be the exact same way as with Turkey, except it wont.

2) Pretty hard to establish air supremacy without air bases you know.

3) Idlib is on the hand of Nusra. I thought we werent counting Islamists as rebels isnt? Got a mind slip and showed your true colors?

4) So? these foreign powers arent leaving anytime soon.

6) An insurgence is manageable.

1) it would russia doesnt want to be embarassed.

2) the u.s has loads of airbases in the middle east nor could your countrys outdated tech manage to get off a suprise attack on the west

3)strawman much ? We said isis counted as seperate faction (as everyone else does
And nursra is but one faction there

4)when assad eventualy falls ur drunken contrymen will have to climb in their rusty outdated ships and go

6) yeah course it is ...they are always a hoot
Nothing a deeply unpopular regime with a growing manpower issue, utter reliance on foriegn troops should worry about.

 

[whougonnacall]

That precedent has existed since the dawn of time.

I think for an arab like you seeing your fellow arabs being on the receiving end for once, must suck, of course for you Saddam gassing kurds was not a real precedent i guess.

And it shouldnt in modern times

For a russian like you commiting them is all your broken down military os good for
For when u live in a grim cold putin tyranny where u probably have to wipe ur ass barehanded and must look on with envy at the west .......all you vodka soaked ex- commies have to live for is killing kiddies.

 

[Abezal]

And it shouldnt in modern times

For a russian like you commiting them is all your broken down military os good for
For when u live in a grim cold putin tyranny where u probably have to wipe ur ass barehanded and must look on with envy at the west .......all you vodka soaked ex- commies have to live for is killing kiddies.

lol d hard at this, the ultimate irony of such a comment in a thread about arabs and muslims.

 

[Rod1]

1) it would russia doesnt want to be embarassed.

2) the u.s has loads of airbases in the middle east nor could your countrys outdated tech manage to get off a suprise attack on the west

3)strawman much ? We said isis counted as seperate faction (as everyone else does
And nursra is but one faction there

4)when assad eventualy falls ur drunken contrymen will have to climb in their rusty outdated ships and go

6) yeah course it is ...they are always a hoot
Nothing a deeply unpopular regime with a growing manpower issue, utter reliance on foriegn troops should worry about.

1) Yes, there is nothing embarassing about retreating over mere threats of words, nothing at all.

2) The US air bases are still limited and Russia can target them with ballistic missiles.

3) Exactly, they are a separate faction, so when Aleppo falls thats it for your "moderate" rebels, and even while Hillary is a warhawk, i doubt she would arm Alqaeda just to piss off the Russians, she is not McCain.

4) Not in the near future, thats for sure.

6) Insurgencies are troublesome, but not threatening to a regime. Specially if they are confined to the barren wasteland that is jihadistan.

7) You have been literally wrong in most of your predictions at this point, yet you keep trying.

 

[whougonnacall]

lol d hard at this, the ultimate irony of such a comment in a thread about arabs and muslims.

Russia isnt a shithole now?

 

[whougonnacall]

1) Yes, there is nothing embarassing about retreating over mere threats of words, nothing at all.

2) The US air bases are still limited and Russia can target them with ballistic missiles.

3) Exactly, they are a separate faction, so when Aleppo falls thats it for your "moderate" rebels, and even while Hillary is a warhawk, i doubt she would arm Alqaeda just to piss off the Russians, she is not McCain.

4) Not in the near future, thats for sure.

6) Insurgencies are troublesome, but not threatening to a regime. Specially if they are confined to the barren wasteland that is jihadistan.

7) You have been literally wrong in most of your predictions at this point, yet you keep trying.

1)if those words can be backed up with a quick decisive ass kicking then theres no shame in it...your god putin has ready admitted russia isnt a match for the u.s

2)ballistic missles now? Might as well be nukes then as ballistic missles would be detected and responded to the same way
Admit it without the unrealistic use of nukes or ballistic missles your country cant do shit

3)apart from y'know the various moderate factions fighting in idib, hama, damascus, quinetra , aleppo countryside (or had you forgot the 15k+ fsa and others with turkish forces right now) and lakita and of course the 20-30k or so sitting idle in daara under the southern front.

4)wel see

6) yeah not threatening lol nothing like a litte insurgency in the cities to keep a collapsing regime stable

7) nope but keep swinging

 

[Abezal]

Russia isnt a shithole now?

And ??

Which Russia, its similar to arab shit holes lots of rich ina nice city and plenty dumb fuck poor in everywhere else.

 

[whougonnacall]

And ??

Which Russia, its similar to arab shit holes lots of rich ina nice city and plenty dumb fuck poor in everywhere else.

I agree russia and arab countries are shit holes

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

Govt gains inaleppo and rolling back jihadi gains in northern hama. Plus the rebel infighting means its not a good time to be a moderate headchopper

 

[whougonnacall]

-So 12 rebel groups sign up to crush al aqsa , regime has managed to take back some of the land the hama offensive took while the rebels fight themselves

-russia vetoes aleppo bombing halt at un
China didnt vote and only venuzula backed russia!

-southern front partialy woken up
Some of its forces have taken multiple checkpoints and armour and killed dozens of regime militamen (hez) caught sleeping on the normaly quiet front(in syrian war terms)
The fsa group involved has declared intention to sever damascus daara supply line.

-main story is reports new weaponry arrived to vetted rebels in north
Mortars,rpgs ,tows and other standard stuff (new longer range grads) but the headline is theres been a new but very small supply of new manpads to select groups...game changer if true!

-regime makes gains in aleppo
Rebel s there showing off captured iraqis and palis ....twitter talk of rebel attempt the rebreak siege to kick off soon after long delays.

 

[Sauron]

neither Russia or the GCC countries are shit holes.

Saudi Arabia is a medieval backwater though. If they didn't have oil they'd be exactly like Yemen.

 

[KOQ24]

whougonnacalls best friends just cant stop massacring civilians in yemen

http://www.salon.com/2016/10/08/u-s...-massacring-82-wounding-534-in-lake-of-blood/