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Is WWE Capitalizing on WMMA?

SocraticMethod said:
Trish is greater than Nikki in every way, but I don't think she was every Divas champion.
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Oh' yeah, that was back when they had respect for the division and it was just the "Women's Championship", and it wasn't in the shape of a butterfly.

My bad.
 
HereticBD said:
Oh' yeah, that was back when they had respect for the division and it was just the "Women's Championship", and it wasn't in the shape of a butterfly.

My bad.
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I was giving him the benefit of the doubt and assumed he really meant the "Divas" title, because if he was saying she's the greatest female wrestling champion ever than we're all doomed.
 
SocraticMethod said:
I was giving him the benefit of the doubt and assumed he really meant the "Divas" title, because if he was saying she's the greatest female wrestling champion ever than we're all doomed.
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He's a kid. He doesn't know anything about PW prior to 2010. Read the "Greatest Worker" thread for some laughs.
 
oddballposter said:
Yeah, she looks punk rock at times.

Although she probably listens to shit metal.
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lol, im not sure what all she listens to but i know she at least listens to 'stick to your guns'. shes had them playing in videos she has posted before.

still want that jacket. googled it n got nothing :/
i can never find a cute leather jacket that i like enough to get
i finally see one i love
and pfft, cant find it
(tho im sure its faux leather going by how the arm was ripped off in the promo, but thats also fine lol)
 
JamesRyko said:
That being said, I think 2015 has been the best year for Divas in the history of WWE. Nikki was imo the best Divas champ ever. Especially towards the end of her championship reign.... That being said, I'd still get up to piss during her matches.
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Do you mean divas champion, or women's champ as a whole?
 
The Diplomat said:
Do you mean divas champion, or women's champ as a whole?
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Best I've seen which means better than trish/lita/AJ/Chyna/Stephany/Beth/etc... I don't watch anything outside of WWE so maybe their is better women centered productions elsewhere as Heratic stated. But I find that hard to believe
 
HereticBD said:
LOL @ Nikki being the best Divas Champ ever.


Watch NXT if you don't think the Divas are capable of captivating an audience.

They're good, it's just that the WWE manages to fuck everything up. Don't ask me how they can take a great division within their own company and use the same stars making that division great, and then make them shitty on the main show. It's quite mind-boggling.
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Who do you think is better? Let me guess.. Someone from the attitude era?
 
SocraticMethod said:
Trish is greater than Nikki in every way, but I don't think she was every Divas champion.
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Trish is not better than Nikki.. She was just the first to make the womens division relevant in any measurable sense. Trish was defiantly a game changer but Nikkis is the result of 10 years of evolution past the concepts that Trish set in motion.

You guys have got to recognize the difference between being a pioneer and being the best. Trish was without a doubt the best in her prime.

Just because someone became better than someone who was very important to product evolution doesn't discredit that OG.

Just because Albert Einstein surpassed Isaac Newton doesn't make Newton a scrub.. Hes still a legend and paved the way for what Einstein was able to do but if you think Newtons work is more advanced than Einsteins then you lose your privilege to make opinions about subjects.
 
JamesRyko said:
Best I've seen which means better than trish/lita/AJ/Chyna/Stephany/Beth/etc... I don't watch anything outside of WWE so maybe their is better women centered productions elsewhere as Heratic stated. But I find that hard to believe
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Nikki and a lot of other women still wrestle like they're fragile, and they don't commit to the moves, nor are they particularly athletic. Lita/Chyna/Trish were definitely better.
 
The Diplomat said:
Nikki and a lot of other women still wrestle like they're fragile, and they don't commit to the moves, nor are they particularly athletic. Lita/Chyna/Trish were definitely better.
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Chyna hurt women and Trish/Lita hurt themselves.
 
The Diplomat said:
Nikki and a lot of other women still wrestle like they're fragile, and they don't commit to the moves, nor are they particularly athletic. Lita/Chyna/Trish were definitely better.
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Chyna? Seriously? Chyna was the Braun Stowman of womens wrestling.. I respect lita for having the balls to do High flying moves.. And your point about not commiting to moves is certainly valid.. But thats why womens wrestling as a whole is garbage not why a single womens wrestler is doing something wrong. Women simply aren't durable enough to do this.. But Nikki's style shows more diversity and aggression than anyone from the past... And the mid tier women are so good at taking bumps on her attacks compared to the old days it makes her look even better.

Everything not named rock or austin is better now than pre-2000... EVERYTHING
 
JamesRyko said:
Who do you think is better? Let me guess.. Someone from the attitude era?
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Duh. The AE wasn't just some stylistic fad. It was literally the best era in PW history. You can argue otherwise until you're blue in the face, but there is a reason why viewership was 4x back then, than what it is today.

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Chyna was not the "Braun Strowman of the Divas division". Chyna was an incredibly athletic female who was actually too good for the women's division, and could compete with the men without making you laugh.

Nikki is not better than Trish. Nor is she even the most talented female wrestler of today. Good Lord, get a clue.

Watch NXT. You'll be amazed at the drastic drop in quality from the same stars that make it to RAW. There is something fundamentally wrong with how the main shows are booked, and how the matches play out. Don't ask me how it happens, but there is a very noticeable drop off in quality.
 
HereticBD said:
Duh. The AE wasn't just some stylistic fad. It was literally the best era in PW history. You can argue otherwise until you're blue in the face, but there is a reason why viewership was 4x back then, than what it is today.

Other musings...

Chyna was not the "Braun Strowman of the Divas division". Chyna was an incredibly athletic female who was actually too good for the women's division, and could compete with the men without making you laugh.

Nikki is not better than Trish. Nor is she even the most talented female wrestler of today. Good Lord, get a clue.

Watch NXT. You'll be amazed at the drastic drop in quality from the same stars that make it to RAW. There is something fundamentally wrong with how the main shows are booked, and how the matches play out. Don't ask me how it happens, but there is a very noticeable drop off in quality.
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WWE doesn't book them on the main show because they know that people don't care about the Divas.. It would be a huge mistake to devote more than 1 segment of the show to the entire "divas division"..

The attitude era absolutely was a fad... Which is why it died off.. WWE kept the good and left the bad. As I've stated in almost every response I make to your posts. You are emotionally attached to this time period which is why all of your arguments over it are emotional and totally lacking of empirical substance. It's ok for the AE to be your favorite but stop calling it better.

For the 4th time. Comparing ratings in 2015 to a pre-internet society is a point of desperation. Especially since you know damn well that its a moot point. The walking deads ratings today were dwarfed by non prime time shows from the 90s. BECAUSE BROADCAST TELEVISION WAS THE ONLY VENUE OF ENTERTAINMENT BACK THEN.
 
JamesRyko said:
WWE doesn't book them on the main show because they know that people don't care about the Divas.. It would be a huge mistake to devote more than 1 segment of the show to the entire "divas division"..
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Really? I guess you missed the whole Paige/Charlotte closer to RAW....and the matches showcased on Raw and Smackdown.

No need to pay attention to any other uninformed nonsense you've typed. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about. Best case scenario is that you're trolling, but I think you're just dumb and ignorant.

Goodnight Jr.
 
HereticBD said:
Really? I guess you missed the whole Paige/Charlotte closer to RAW....and the matches showcased on Raw and Smackdown.

No need to pay attention to any other uninformed nonsense you've typed. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about. Best case scenario is that you're trolling, but I think you're just dumb and ignorant.

Goodnight Jr.
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That paige/Charlotte ending to RAW was terrible.. Just because it happened doesn't suddenly make the Divas main eventers.. WWE is clearly experimenting and gauging reaction. I bet you now that Ronda lost and has gotten crucified by so many fans they won't continue to push the Divas the way they have been over the last few months.

My opinions aren't uninformed, you are ignoring them because you have nothing to say that doesn't grotesquely display your emotional bias.

BTW how many main event segments was Trish Stratus in? Since she was the goat?
 
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