Social Is "Woke" going too far?

[chardog]

Try casting Black Panther or Blade with a white actor and get back to me… lol

I'm sure folks wouldnt mind having an african black panther like du plessis

 

[Scerpi]

RAISE...

Let me one up and take this out of the realm of fantasy and fiction and into REAL LIFE where white people have been, for decades, substituted in to play PoC who have played significant roles in history.

If 30 years from now, after Harry Potter has rehashed the same material 25 times over to squeeze every last penny out of it, and the kids or grandkids are now the rights owners and they see an opportunity to relaunch the franchise with a Chinese or black Harry Potter, to sell it all over again to a newer audience, i won't cry like you guys do.

I know people like you will squeal 'but James Bond is not blonde and he is not a real brit', for the Craig casting but you need to get over it. Or don't.

These tears of 'it MUST stay the same forever as the way it was when i grew up...even though i am not the owner... and can simply watch the original' are frikkin hilarious.

If you do not like the newer version and who the newer audience they are pandering too do not watch it. Watch the old one you like. Or keep crying 'NO ONLY PANDER TO ME... ME.... ME... ME', and let us continue to laugh at your tears.

Raise? lol... I like the deflection though because you know damn well how it would it would go... There'd be massive backlash.

Not surprised you won't touch it. It's a dumb idea, but yet it destroys your retarded argument.

And this thread already addressed James Bond dumbass and the consensus across the board would be Idris Elba would have been fantastic... and I totally agree. Make a female Bond character. People would push back, but once again, if the movie is great... they'll be seen as genius.

Just admit the shoe horning in a race in certain roles is dumb as fuck and obvious virtue signaling. While some characters can be played by anyone as long as they are talented.

Changing the race of Black Panther - Stupid... everyone would hate it
Change the race of James Bond - Yes, some dumbasses would cry... but it would be quickly forgotten if the actor is excellent. If the movies sucks, they'll blame the casting (IE - Female Ghostbusters)
Black woman plays the witch in Wicked - no cares because she was excellent.

And lol at your dumbass thinking they'd cast an asian actor as Harry Potter. What a fantastic example you cited. It would never happen because no one would want to see because it makes zero sense.

Disney is already in full damage control because they realized they fucked up bad with the casting for Snow White. Both the main actress and the dwarves. What? Casting actual dwarves is too much? lol...

Hollywood and movie makers shouldn't be pandering to ANYONE dipshit. They should be focused making good movies that people want to see. Just because you're a far left wokie and don't care if they cast Denzel Washington to play Abraham Lincoln, it doesn't mean it will be a good movie or that people would want to see it. But now that I think about... he'd probably be pretty good. Flip the narrative and have a black president free southern white slaves... lol. Sounds like possible Key & Peele idea.

 

[ChosenOne]

Raise? lol... I like the deflection though because you know damn well how it would it would go... There'd be massive backlash.

Not surprised you won't touch it. It's a dumb idea, but yet it destroys your retarded argument.

And this thread already addressed James Bond dumbass and the consensus across the board would be Idris Elba would have been fantastic... and I totally agree. Make a female Bond character. People would push back, but once again, if the movie is great... they'll be seen as genius.

Just admit the shoe horning in a race in certain roles is dumb as fuck and obvious virtue signaling. While some characters can be played by anyone as long as they are talented.

Changing the race of Black Panther - Stupid... everyone would hate it
Change the race of James Bond - Yes, some dumbasses would cry... but it would be quickly forgotten if the actor is excellent. If the movies sucks, they'll blame the casting (IE - Female Ghostbusters)
Black woman plays the witch in Wicked - no cares because she was excellent.

And lol at your dumbass thinking they'd cast an asian actor as Harry Potter. What a fantastic example you cited. It would never happen because no one would want to see because it makes zero sense.

Disney is already in full damage control because they realized they fucked up bad with the casting for Snow White. Both the main actress and the dwarves. What? Casting actual dwarves is too much? lol...

Hollywood and movie makers shouldn't be pandering to ANYONE dipshit. They should be focused making good movies that people want to see. Just because you're a far left wokie and don't care if they cast Denzel Washington to play Abraham Lincoln, it doesn't mean it will be a good movie or that people would want to see it. But now that I think about... he'd probably be pretty good. Flip the narrative and have a black president free southern white slaves... lol. Sounds like possible Key & Peele idea.

The problem is i did touch and i destroyed your premise so your lie won't fly here.

And i want you to consider your argument here now.

You are saying because you and others would be ok with a Black Bond or a blonde Bond who is not a 'true brit' then who gives a fuck about the significant uproar it caused amongst many brits and others.

So you reduce your argument even further into the ridiculous of whining as you state 'if it is something i care about then Hollywood should not touch it but if it is something OTHERS care about but i am ok with it Hollywood can touch it'.

What a stupid self centred, ego centric view of the world you have thru your tears.

if OTHERS, do not want the history of James Bond touched and do not like a blonde Daniel Craig, 'not a true brit', to play him, you need to explain coherently why you say it is still ok for the owners to make that change while maintaining the position that the changes you do not like, should not be made.

GO.

 

[ChosenOne]

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Hollywood and movie makers shouldn't be pandering to ANYONE dipshit. ...

^ also arguably the most stupid thing written ever on this forum.

All businesses, EVERY SINGLE one wants to examine their customers, and understand them at every level and tailor content or products that will appeal to them segment by segment.

They do not just say 'we will have one Soda and one Soda only that WE THINK is the best' and instead they will make versions for numerous niches and even ethnicities that they think will appeal to each of them.

You are just a complete ignoramus in thinking business should not do this.

If the Chinese like a certain thing in their soda then that will be put in for their market, etc, etc,

That you do not know this or think 'companies should be above that type or pandering', is why you need to shut up and learn instead of talk.

 

[Pharenheit]

It’s just the times. Same way the woke BS worked in 2020 the right calls everything woke that doesn’t seem kosher. We need to get back to the middle as a society and resist radical politics

 

[Hog-train]

You find it LAF. I may also find it LAF. But what is also LAF is us thinking the owner should solely cater to us.

There was an uproar of Danial Craig being the last Bond as he was the first blonde and not a true 'Brit'. You, Hog-train, might say 'ya but i was ok with that swap...so it can stay... it is these other ones i am not ok with so they should go', as if the world revolves around only you.

So you have Marvel or other owners of art and material sitting around and you want them to give Hog-train a veto over what he finds LAF and it will never work that way.

The amount of tears and whining over what other people do with their property is shocking and almost funny at the same time.

If you love original Tobey MaGuire SpiderMan and grew up watching it, and do not want it to change then simply watch it over and over and over again. No one forces you to watch the changed material.

I'm the consumer. I have every right to find something lame AF and complain how dogshit something is.

You're saying I have to STFU, just accept it and just watch the old content if I don't like it. Nah I don't think so.

And stop telling me Hollywood doesn't have to cater to me. I'm not white. They've never catered to me.

 

[ChosenOne]

I'm the consumer. I have every right to find something lame AF and complain how dogshit something is.

You're saying I have to STFU, just accept it and just watch the old content if I don't like it. Nah I don't think so.

And stop telling me Hollywood doesn't have to cater to me. I'm not white. They've never catered to me.

NO.

I am saying you guys thinking the creator of painting has to paint what you want or they are WRONG for executing on their choice, is what is stupid.

All these complaints are of the same vein that this is 'wrong to do', and they try and use 'woke' and 'racist' and other things to make that case.

Say it is dog shit after they are done painting it but do not assume you should be the one dictating what the owner or maker of the art can and should do.

 

[Hog-train]

NO.

I am saying you guys thinking the creator of painting has to paint what you want or they are WRONG for executing on their choice, is what is stupid.

All these complaints are of the same vein that this is 'wrong to do', and they try and use 'woke' and 'racist' and other things to make that case.

Say it is dog shit after they are done painting it but do not assume you should be the one dictating what the owner or maker of the art can and should do.

That's literally the right of the consumer and critics to do. "This sucks and it should be done this way."

 

[Kassitus]

I think it's pretty much lost whatever meaning it ever had and that anti-woke has made an entire business grifting off of what is largely a boogie man.

Social and political messaging has always been in entertainment. As times and the culture has changed, so has that messaging. Aliens and Terminator 2 were hugely feminist films (with loads of political messaging... Hemm, "Colonial Marines", Sarah's lecture about men destroying everything, etc), no one cared cuz they're awesome and - lets be real - a lot of people probably didn't catch the messaging. Black Panther exists because Stan Lee didn't see enough black super heroes. X-Men I think was supposed to be about civil rights. The Rebels in SW were analogous to the Vietcong. So forth.

Today though, because there's some people who can be obnoxious about identity and companies will openly talk about diversity or virtue signal it's given birth to this "anti-woke" reactionary nonsense. Is there bad entertainment with whatever agenda? Yes. Is this new? No. Neither is intentional diversity in media.

I think a lot of people don't how much shit they like is political. Fucking Paul Ryan told a member of Rage Against The Machine that he needed to "not be so political" or however he phrased it lmao.

I agree it's been going on forever. The backlash I think is part of a phenomenon of people who wanted political attitudes to freeze and stand still in 1995 as its what they consider the perfect mix of whatever political flavors they like. The typical classical liberal Elon Musk lover.

 

[LostMyBlackBelt]

We already let black people walk around free, is that not woke enough?

s/

 

[ChosenOne]

That's literally the right of the consumer and critics to do. "This sucks and it should be done this way."

It is literally the right of Bollywood to look at their audience and cater to that face.

It is literally the right of Indian and Korean producers to look at their audience and cater to that face.

It is literally the right of American producers to look at the CHANGING face of the consumer and cater to that face with a portion of their art.

And in which ever market you are in and when you face changes sure you can cry and scream "RACIST"... "WOKE"... "WRONG" when that catering is no longer to YOU while at the same time IGNORING they catered to YOU, for the last 100+ years plus, but when you do i will exercise my right to point out you are whiny pussy who should be mocked.

My issue here is NOT that people do not like it. It is that they proclaim WRONG, to do it.

 

[WhiteMousse]

The pendulum swings back and forth. Generally it swings more and more left until something awful happens. Then reset

 

[Hog-train]

It is literally the right of Bollywood to look at their audience and cater to that face.

It is literally the right of Indian and Korean producers to look at their audience and cater to that face.

It is literally the right of American producers to look at the CHANGING face of the consumer and cater to that face with a portion of their art.

Uhh yea who said it wasn't their right. This isn't a dictatorship.

Producers have a right to make anything they want and consumers have every right to bitch about it and not pay for it.

And in which ever market you are in and when you face changes sure you can cry and scream "RACIST"... "WOKE"... "WRONG" when that catering is no longer to YOU while at the same time IGNORING they catered to YOU, for the last 100+ years plus, but when you do i will exercise my right to point out you are whiny pussy who should be mocked.

My issue here is NOT that people do not like it. It is that they proclaim WRONG, to do it.

Are you retarded? I already told you I'M ASIAN. You keep saying they've catered to me for the last 100 years. WTF.

American media has never catered to me and still doesn't now. In fact, they've done comical race replacements like the white guy as Genghis Khan and in the Kung Fu series.

And I still don't like if they take established characters - such as Little Mermaid and replace it with some DEI hire that doesn't even have red hair.

No one likes the DEI race and gender swaps.

 

[ChosenOne]

Uhh yea who said it wasn't their right. This isn't a dictatorship.

Producers have a right to make anything they want and consumers have every right to bitch about it and not pay for it.



Are you retarded? I already told you I'M ASIAN. You keep saying they've catered to me for the last 100 years. WTF.

American media has never catered to me and still doesn't now. In fact, they've done comical race replacements like the white guy as Genghis Khan and in the Kung Fu series.

And I still don't like if they take established characters - such as Little Mermaid and replace it with some DEI hire that doesn't even have red hair.

No one likes the DEI race and gender swaps.

I am arguing against the people arguing against it saying it WRONG, RACIST, etc for them to do it.

Not the people, saying like i do, that i do not often like it.

Stop being a retard and read the chat.

 

[SuperAlly]

The problem is i did touch and i destroyed your premise so your lie won't fly here.

And i want you to consider your argument here now.

You are saying because you and others would be ok with a Black Bond or a blonde Bond who is not a 'true brit' then who gives a fuck about the significant uproar it caused amongst many brits and others.

So you reduce your argument even further into the ridiculous of whining as you state 'if it is something i care about then Hollywood should not touch it but if it is something OTHERS care about but i am ok with it Hollywood can touch it'.

What a stupid self centred, ego centric view of the world you have thru your tears.

if OTHERS, do not want the history of James Bond touched and do not like a blonde Daniel Craig, 'not a true brit', to play him, you need to explain coherently why you say it is still ok for the owners to make that change while maintaining the position that the changes you do not like, should not be made.

GO.

For a guy who likes to accuse others repeatedly of crying, you seem very emotional about this topic

Fact is, woke shite in entertainment is being rejected more and more

You continue your argument of "water isn't wet", but no one else is buying your delusion

 

[NoSmilez]

india is not a diverse country at all, if you are going to make a movie there everyone will be indian. Your just projecting your own racist beliefs onto everyone else.

I am a french ass whitey and my favorite fictional character since I was kid was Spawn a black guy. When I was a kid I was totally obsessed. I never cared about his race.

Indians are pretty diverse. They have thousands of ethnic groups living in that area. They also have multiple state languages. Their official language is Hindi but not everyone knows it. There is Bollywood vs Tollywood. I watched this movie RRR and I made the comment that Bollywood movies are awesome. I got dragged pretty hard by Indian people. They look the same to us but it's a big difference to them.

 

[ChosenOne]

For a guy who likes to accuse others repeatedly of crying, you seem very emotional about this topic

Fact is, woke shite in entertainment is being rejected more and more

You continue your argument of "water isn't wet", but no one else is buying your delusion

I am not arguing it is good.

I am not arguing you have to like it.

I am arguing it is not 'wrong', 'racist' and all the other stupid things you guys cry about and say because you do not like it.

You are toddlers who think if you do not like something that throwing a temper tantrum and crying will stop it happening.

 

[SuperAlly]

I am not arguing it is good.

I am not arguing you have to like it.

I am arguing it is not 'wrong', 'racist' and all the other stupid things you guys cry about and say because you do not like it.

You are toddlers who think if you do not like something that throwing a temper tantrum and crying will stop it happening.

Again with the accusing others of crying whilst behaving overly emotional yourself

Woke movies suck balls. Deal with it.

 

[ChosenOne]

Again with the accusing others of crying whilst behaving overly emotional yourself

Woke movies suck balls. Deal with it.

I agree, they often suck. Not once have i argued one word saying otherwise.

And yet hear you are crying while accusing me of doing same. You are so overly emotional.

Deal with it.

 

[SuperAlly]

I agree, they often suck. Not once have i argued one word saying otherwise.

And yet hear you are crying while accusing me of doing same. You are so overly emotional.

Deal with it.

Look back on your last dozen or so contributions in this thread