Is this Renzo Gracie quote accurate from your experience?

GoatArtemLobov said:
Agree but, with that being said, if you have to make a hierarchy between disciplins, martial arts knowledge comes nowhere near academics.
Don't get it twisted, I'm a giant fan of martial arts, a big part of my free time revolves around training, watching instructionals or analyzing fights for gambling, but Renzo thinking his knowledge of bjj is as much worth as a PHD in math is preposterous. Working for years to actually be capable of performing the moves/developing muscle memory is very hard, yes, but the "science" behinf it is weak compared to disciplins like philosophy, physics or math.
Same thing can be said for boxing, the so called "sweet science". Yes there are many things to know, tactics, techniques etc. but com'on, have you ever taken a look at PHD level stuff in philosophy to get an idea of how much more intellectually demanding those things are than boxing, which in the end of the day is a thing that punchdrunk guys can understand...
Bottom line: being a combat sports world champ is hard, harder than getting a PHD, but it's apples and oranges, since one is mostly physical and the other intellectual. And only being a combat sports trainer is nowhere near any of those 2 things, so them acting like there are some super geniuses when they tell guys to move their feet is kinda laughable.
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I wasn't talking about just martial arts knowledge, I was talking about knowledge and wisdom in general. Some philosophies may be developed from studying other philosophers and reading books, others may be developed through life experiences and wisdom that comes from that. I acknowledge both aspects, and research and study both. But I also understand for some it is just theory and not experience. I just like to point out that a mix of the 2 is what is best.

Like in martial arts for example, you may read the books, practice the moves, know the philosophy of fighting, but also never been in a fight. Yes, there is still knowledge there, but no experience to gain real wisdom.
 
Renzo spitting some truth
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A true philosopher.
 
dmwalking said:
really? Which philosophies does jiu jitsu teach on the mats? If you’re able to list more than 10, compare that to an Ivy League school. Lol.

I love jiu jitsu, but it’s not that deep. All of that no ego, oss, douchebag filter, budo, zen, Bjj lifestyle, etc is hogshit.

it’s just a sport/martial art that has sports/martial arts applications.

Bjj was invented by thugs and bullies. Lmao. I guess they needed to add the “honor” and tma Schtick to appeal to broader audiences.
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Completely agree with you. I'm a big fan of bjj myself, but, while it demands a lot of time and effort to be capable of performing moves at worldclass level, there isn't that much "science" behind it. There are basics, and everything else is just "the way X and Y like to do it, what works best for them". It isn't more intellectually challenging than cooking for instance, where everything is just another recipe, another way to season the soup... unlike math or philosophy where you really need to have put the time and effort and be naturaly gifted enough to understand what is taught a PHD level.
For striking it's even worse, as there are even fewer things to know. I'm dying to find new techniques in boxing, new things where I have the HAHA effect, but at best I'm like "hum that's interesting, might try this the next time I spar". Combat sports trainers need to stop acting like they have some high level knowledge, what they teach isn't hard to understand nor to know... what is hard is to actually perform those things.
 
Training Jiu-Jitsu and MMA has been a huge part of my life since 2005. These places have often been filled with some of the dumbest people I've ever had to interact with. It would be hard to exaggerate how untrue what Renzo said is.

What I will say is that Jiu-Jitsu is a lot like a cult and professors get very used to forcing their idiotic theories on life to their students, while no one ever pushes back because they want to get promoted. Not sure if that's Renzo's idea of philosophy or not.
 
So the guy who sits around with his cousins bragging about getting into street fights, whose brother fled back to Brazil to avoid prosecution for assault, whose younger brother was known as one of the biggest pieces if garbage in bjj, that's the guy that im supposed to take serious about stuff like this? I'm good.
 
Lol for a martial art that makes fun of other arts for being "cultish" they sure have some of the most extreme views on the world. "BJJ is a superpower" "BJJ has more philosophy than Ivy League schools"
 
GoatArtemLobov said:
Completely agree with you. I'm a big fan of bjj myself, but, while it demands a lot of time and effort to be capable of performing moves at worldclass level, there isn't that much "science" behind it. There are basics, and everything else is just "the way X and Y like to do it, what works best for them". It isn't more intellectually challenging than cooking for instance, where everything is just another recipe, another way to season the soup... unlike math or philosophy where you really need to have put the time and effort and be naturaly gifted enough to understand what is taught a PHD level.
For striking it's even worse, as there are even fewer things to know. I'm dying to find new techniques in boxing, new things where I have the HAHA effect, but at best I'm like "hum that's interesting, might try this the next time I spar". Combat sports trainers need to stop acting like they have some high level knowledge, what they teach isn't hard to understand nor to know... what is hard is to actually perform those things.
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The bolded quote sums up a not-insignificant portion of philosophical studies...

Don't get me wrong. The philosophy I think you have in mind is fantastic. I'm afraid that academia, and perhaps administration principally, is trying to drag it in a different direction.
 
Spoken like a true pioneer that was never accepted into an ivy league school. I mean, when life gives you lemons, squeeze them with a rear naked choke.
 
gevoudane said:
Gracies take metal pipes to grapplers who beat them in their own challenge. Shot at transvestites, stomp on the head of an opponent they already subbed. The Gracie slander is earned. And even the evil Jon has not done anything worse then the idolized gracies.
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Yea you're taking individual acts from different Gracie brothers and judging them as a whole, but whatever... I never said they were angels but let's not act like there havnt been much worse in mma like war machine, lee Murray, Joe son, etc.

At the end of the day we have way overly judgemental people here waiting to jump on anyone without a pristine past. The good they have done outweighs the bad imo and if you don't agree that's fine too.
 
https://www.bjjee.com/articles/when-gracie-misbehave-gracie-family-dramas-misbehaviors-in-history/

Gracies are a bunch of guys who built their reputation on beating cans or assaulting them 10v1 if they didn't even manage to do so. They also act as if martial arts wouldn't exist at all without them, which is pretty annoying. Granted you don't want to make generalizations, since some branches of the family seem cool and honorable, like Kyra or Rener (despite his unbearable aggressive selling methods), but many of them have proven to be a bunch of scumbags who like to use their knowledge of martial arts to beat on untrained people.
 
A good friend doesn't try to break up a fight. A good friend comes in with a flying kick.

 
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