Is there something I'm missing with the arman hype?

[wrb]

He's not fought for nearly 18 months now and that was a split decision, he needs to win one more to build up some hype with the fans.

But he has won a very high level grappling competition 3 months ago, trains with Khamzat and spars with Shabliy. I have no idea where his head is but in terms of athleticism and skill he is one of the best in the division. The guy he beat recently is a big deal Dagi wrestler, his skills are very developed and not easy to do. He legit was rolling with Islam on his first fight in the UFC to the point the announcers were blown away, go listen to them during the fight and watch it because its one of the best wrestling matching I have seen.

Look his media personality is annoying but here is how I see it: He fucked up pulling out of the Islam fight but the UFC also fucked up by putting him in background after the first Islam fight. He could of gotten hurt just so the UFC could promote who they wanted which was Islam. I am not saying Islam does not deserve it or Arman is better, all I am saying is that Arman was 1 or two behind Islam during that time and the timing of the bad Gamorot desicion has always rubbed me the wrong way. If Arman was given the win (which he did actually win) he would of been in the discussion for a top 5 fight and this was right before Islam was about to fight Olivera.

After the Gamarot fight he was never spoken about for like 2 years. Lol, and then he pulls out of the Islam fight.

 

[BowserJr]

Arman has no hype. He's simply the most interesting matchup at LW due to what his strengths are and skillset

 

[mkess101]

You know how you just saw the MW champ lose his belt by being absolutely ragdolled by Khamzat? When DDP is pretty massive for the weight class? Arman looked a shit ton better grappling with Khamzat and Arman is what, 40 lbs lighter than DDP on each of their fight night? So yeah, Arman is a pretty good grappler...

 

[14 division]

Topuria vs Gaethje (main event)
Arman vs Paddy (same card feature fight)

UFC 323 in December. Volk vs Murphy is probably the co-main.

 

[TriangleMonkey]

He performed well vs Islam and flew through Beniel

Other than that I seen him get out grappled by Gamrot and scrape by Olives

He doesn’t have any glaring strengths to me against Ilia

I think Ilia can sprawl him up and box those ears off. Except when Ilia boxes ears, dudes get flat-lined cleanly

Arman would be so predictable panic wrestling I think Ilia tee’s off within a couple rounds

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

yea, your missing the JAXXON chain

 

[Mesos]

I'm pretty sure that Arman could blanket Topuria. While Ilia is obviously well rounded, Arman is by far the best wrestler he's ever faced. I will be surprised if Topuria can stop all of Arman's takedowns.

This is one of those puncher's chance fights where Topuria gets the KO/TKO in a certain % of fights, but probably loses the decision the rest of the time. However, Topuria has shown that his "puncher's chance" is pretty darn high. Could be a 50/50 fight.

Arman is not handling Topuria in the clinch or in boxing. So that leaves takedowns from far away because hes not taking the chance of engaging Topuria from nearby. Topurias chances at victory is more than a punchers chance. Topuria beat Volk, Max, Charles in a row. Its not luck man the guys good. Hes gonna piece Arman up at a distance and look for a KO. Arman will just spam takedowns and miss most of them. Maybe he can win a round if he point fights but its going to be tough dealing with Topurias raw power.

 

[wrb]

He performed well vs Islam and flew through Beniel

Other than that I seen him get out grappled by Gamrot and scrape by Olives

He doesn’t have any glaring strengths to me against Ilia

I think Ilia can sprawl him up and box those ears off. Except when Ilia boxes ears, dudes get flat-lined cleanly

Arman would be so predictable panic wrestling I think Ilia tee’s off within a couple rounds

They already fought and canceled each other out on the ground.. I just re-watched the fight and its impossible for me to score it for Gamrot, Arman teed off on his midsection and knocked him down in separate rounds. The best I can say for Gamrot was he was able to take the shots but I challenge anyone to explain how Gamrot wins that fight. Its messed up actually and you can see Khabib and Hunter watching ringside the whole fight, talking.

 

[kuroro]

He'd dump Ilia on his head like Belal vs Leon in your avatar

hes never done that to anyone

 

[JoeRowe]

Arman got cred for being competitive with Islam a really long time ago, and since then, got gamed by Gamrot and struggled against Olives. I think Ilia tools him and proves MMAth is more accurate than some would like to believe.

By "gamed" you mean robbed right? Or you've never actually watched the fight?

 

[wrb]

By "gamed" you mean robbed right? Or you've never actually watched the fight?
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Its creepy how they scored that one and I am surprised its not on the list of biggest robberies for the year. After watching it again I agree with you, its basically a textbook robbery. I would even go as far as counting the strikes with a clicker if it mattered as I am 90% positive the live stats were false and I for sure would be skeptical of the official stats. I don't care anymore as Arman did not get hurt after and retire but the outcome of this was crazy considering even the announcers in the beginning said this would give Arman a top 5 match if he won and it was a couple months before Islam fought Olivera or I am not sure the Olivera fight was even set. Tons of people still parrot the "he already lost to Gamrot" troupe but I doubt they actually believe it when money is on the line.

edit: Honestly I struggle giving Gam one round, its really crazy. During the fight I know he got one takedown that was not stopped or reversed and I think he did reverse one on Arman.

 

[wrb]

By "gamed" you mean robbed right? Or you've never actually watched the fight?
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Its creepy how they scored that one and I am surprised its not on the list of biggest robberies for the year. After watching it again I agree with you, its basically a textbook robbery. I would even go as far as counting the strikes with a clicker if it mattered as I am 90% positive the live stats were false and I for sure would be skeptical of the official stats. I don't care anymore as Arman did not get hurt after and retire but the outcome of this was crazy considering even the announcers in the beginning said this would give Arman a top 5 match if he won and it was a couple months before Islam fought Olivera or I am not sure the Olivera fight was even set. Tons of people still parrot the "he already lost to Gamrot" troupe but I doubt they actually believe it when money is on the line.

lol:

 

[Pequeño Corey]

By "gamed" you mean robbed right? Or you've never actually watched the fight?
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LOL oh yes fhe media scores. Pretty work there. I actually watched the fight live.

 

[markantony20]

Guys like Lucas Tracy MMA

I wouldn’t listen to him he’s the definition of recency bias.

 

[icerealm]

topuria is pretty scared of arman,
arman will probably go for wrestling take down all rounds and try to submit topuria
once topuria is gassed he wont be able to strike as well in the later rounds
arman is probably slightly bigger as well and has train with khamzat

 

[wolffanghameha]

He's the clear most dangerous threat who can test the wrestling and pace of Ilia and doesn't get drawn into striking battles.

Let's not do another "the champion would win anyway, so let's not make the fight amd see it actually happen". Give it to the toughest tests.

 

[mkess101]

LOL oh yes fhe media scores. Pretty work there. I actually watched the fight live.

Then you know that was a BS decision. Was it competitive? Sure. Did Gamrot win? No freaking way.

 

[Bars]

Yeah he mauls Topuria

 

[Mmmmmmma1234]

Paddy broke Bobby Greens arm and dominated Chandler last time he fought

Arman couldn't show up to the cage last time he fought.


Let's let Arman and Paddy fight for #1 contender then

It's funny how Chandler is a bum ONLY AFTER Paddy beats him. Charles beat him less impressively and immediately fought for the title. When Islam was coming up beating Green who almost died being forced to cut to 155 twice in 2 weeks was so impressive he fought for the title, but when Paddy beats a fully prepared Green faster than Islam too, now he's a joke win.

Facts are Paddy in the UFC 7-0 and dominated his last two opponents. Arman is 5-1-1NoShow in his last 7 fights.

Paddy never had an opportunity to fight for title, Arman has.

Let the baddy get his due.

 

[Pequeño Corey]

Then you know that was a BS decision. Was it competitive? Sure. Did Gamrot win? No freaking way.

I wanted Arman to win but was very surprised with how effective Gamrot was with pressure and takedowns. Pretty sure Arman landed a knockdown at one point but still didn’t secure the round, and that’s where the controversey was. It’s still surprising to me that Gamrot had the success that he did in that fight. Not ready to call it a robbery. I don’t like when crotch sniffing is rewarded, but I also don’t cry robbery when it wins. Numbers-wise, the striking was close, but Gamrot’s takedowns and control time were the difference.