Is there anything that needs to change more than judging accountability?

[Bangkok ready d1]

Of all the things that mma has to change it for to get better and more professional is there anything worse nowadays that the complete free pass judges get? The guy that gave that horrible score in the fiziev fight was talking again this days and i just realized, he might have been the only dumb one that came in to the light trying to explain himself but im sure so much more have done something similar. We have a sport where judges don't seem to understand the rules ( or chose to ignore them for other reasons) and the only talking point provided is... Well don't leave it to the judges, absolutely shameful that nothing is being done to correct this

 

[Shaddows]

Referees as well.
If you want to change things, the referees can fuck up royally, and a lot more times than judges ever have the chance to.

I mean even if one judge is blind, we can hope common sense will prevail with the other two.

But someone like Herb Derp can screw fights in every round, and not even let it go to the judges...


IMO start with the referees first. it impact a lot more.

 

[Bangkok ready d1]

Referees as well.
If you want to change things, the referees can fuck up royally, and a lot more times than judges ever have the chance to.

I mean even if one judge is blind, we can hope common sense will prevail with the other two.

But someone like Herb Derp can screw fights in every round, and not even let it go to the judges...

True, i will say that i cut more slack to the referees cause its a hard job when you're phisically dealling with fighters

 

[Shaddows]

True, i will say that i cut more slack to the referees cause its a hard job when you're phisically dealling with fighters

Oh, I agree, but they could give them a earpiece where someone in the van can review things and tell him what he got right or wrong.

But more importantly, They need to have balls to deduct a point from a top fighter (i.e. Jon for eye poking his opponent) on their first offense. Or (at least) second, even though that is alreay not fair (dmg was already done).
Or give the same benefit to every single fighter. Make eye pokes allowed.

And talking about every single fighter, they have to apply the same criteria for every fight. Because sometimes they let the fighter "be a warrior", other they stop in the first hint of trouble.

There needs to be more consistency on that.

And we don't get that. And despite fucking up many events, the same referees are still there, still called the best referee in the business by announcers who will later in the same night question if the ref "got it right"...

 

[CorninginChristianburg]

Fighter pay.

But more judge accountability would also be nice.

 

[Carrotman23]

Along with fighter pay and the UFC's constant manipulation and shitty contracts, the lack of oversite with state athletics commissions is hurting the sports legitimacy tremendously(maybe not in PR terms but in reality) . Like who are these people and who watches over them and holds them accountable ?

 

[ninja boot]

uhhh weight cutting

 

[TARTARA]

Weigh cut,
behind the head,
eye poke,
groin hit !

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Of all the things that mma has to change it for to get better and more professional is there anything worse nowadays that the complete free pass judges get? The guy that gave that horrible score in the fiziev fight was talking again this days and i just realized, he might have been the only dumb one that came in to the light trying to explain himself but im sure so much more have done something similar. We have a sport where judges don't seem to understand the rules ( or chose to ignore them for other reasons) and the only talking point provided is... Well don't leave it to the judges, absolutely shameful that nothing is being done to correct this

I literally posted on here that if we got an explanation for the Fiziev-Green scorecard, it would be a load of drivel about 'more meaningful strikes', and how that's now the go-to when a judge shits their pants on a fight.

So the judge comes out and gives a long, rambling speech about 'more meaningful strikes', and gets credit for coming out and actually bothering to explain, but yeah, it's not really good enough.

I guess you're going to have trouble with a nation that insists on having individual state athletic commissions, because that kid in Texas isn't going to be judging professional fights anywhere else, that's for sure. It's just weird that all these national (and often international) fight promotions are relying on judging from Texas Pete and Mississippi Sam rather than a clutch of national-level judges.

But I guess that's how USA is set up, so why would sports be any different?

 

[Herwald]

Absolutely nothing is even remotely close to the fucking eye poke problem. Nothing. They're ruining fights and careers. A bad decision was at least a competitive fight that happened and both were given a chance to finish.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

uhhh weight cutting

Yeah this is my one too, I don’t like it

 

[laleggenda27]

Lack of cross-promotion
Incompetent/corrupt judging
The ppv model
Proliferation of belts

The above factors are what turned boxing from one of the 3 most popular sports in America into a very small niche sport. The UFC has essentially followed suit and adopted every major failing from boxing, despite Dana's insistence that he wouldn't make the same mistakes boxing did.

 

[tech99]

The refs are a much bigger problem, specifically with stopping fights too early. The trend nowadays is to stop the fight the second someone gets rocked, it’s insane. I cringe thinking about how many amazing comebacks we have missed out on because of this crap.

Many people defend it by saying “he would have just kept hitting him and finished the fight” which is a ridiculous argument. How do you know he doesn’t roll with the punches, scramble and survive and come back ? We have seen some insane recoveries and comebacks especially in the lower weight classes. We need definitive finishes to fights, let the fighters get finished. These guys know they didn’t sign up for a tennis match, let them get KOed

Imagine in football if you stopped the players from actually tackling the ball carrier because “he would have just gotten tackled anyways”. Such a stupid logic.

It sucks so hard that after most fights we have to ask “what if ?” and have a poll on whether it was a good stoppage or not, instead of actually having a definitive finish to the fights.