Is there a connection between American wrestling culture and cheating?

[SalvadorAllende]

Was Conor a wrestler all along then??

Conor panicked himself into NCAA Conor.

 

[SuperAlly]

Just a stream of thoughts I had 5 minutes ago...

Who are the most prolific cheaters in UFC history?

Jon Jones is easily #1 with eye pokes, steroids, etc.

Then you have Kamaru Usman, Michael Chandler, TJ Dillashaw.

Then you have guys who don't necessarily cheat but try to win by foul-calling or exaggerating/exploiting technicalities like Sterling and Weidman.

Also it's common when 2 wrestlers fight, and 1 of them fouls, the other one starts trying to outfoul the person (Colby-Kamaru, DC-Stipe).

Is there a connection here or am I reaching?

Is Conor an American wrestler?

 

[SuperAlly]

we also have rules
if the rules or referee judged it as fair then its fair
they are profesionals who doesnt use their feelings to judge

I mean this is just nonsense

A shame. Because you had some other valid points

 

[richardjohnson]

I’m not a fan of the whole “if you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying” thing. There’s an endless amount of cases where a fighter could have fouled their opponent but didn’t because they have respect for their opponent and the rules of the sport. In the case of Chandler he clearly lacks both.

 

[moreorless87]

I had a similar question recently.

Which American wrestler is not a complete dick?

Might be a side effect from the roids in their NCAA days but it's remarkably consistent.

He's been caught on PEDS of course but Josh Barnett perhaps? it is a very jock culture though I'd agree, even the less "classy" Brazilian MMA scene did tend to have a bit more of a sense of honour were acting like a total dick was frowned on a bit more.

 

[Eater of Souls]

There is a long history of cheating to win any type of fight. This may be because people do not like getting their ass beat.

 

[seanb1979]

OP is on the right track and is intentionally trying to bait. The connection is with people trying to win at sports and cheating.

 

[RockyLockridge]

Just a stream of thoughts I had 5 minutes ago...

Who are the most prolific cheaters in UFC history?

Jon Jones is easily #1 with eye pokes, steroids, etc.

Then you have Kamaru Usman, Michael Chandler, TJ Dillashaw.

Then you have guys who don't necessarily cheat but try to win by foul-calling or exaggerating/exploiting technicalities like Sterling and Weidman.

Also it's common when 2 wrestlers fight, and 1 of them fouls, the other one starts trying to outfoul the person (Colby-Kamaru, DC-Stipe).

Is there a connection here or am I reaching?

Yes starts with weight cutting first form of cheating

 

[JohnMandick]

Gilbert Yval might be the biggest cheater of all time.

But damn, does Chandler ever stop cheating?

 

[Koala]

Fouling and cheating are different
Referees are to take out points and get the fighters to another position, or a standing position for different fouls. And yes fouling is part of wrestling, also part of basketball, football, and lots of other sports

 

[PaddyO'malley]

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[Steve Fox]

Yes, ofc. It is just a translation of the stinky finger to the octagon.

 

[LostMyBlackBelt]

Probably. Wrestling takes grit.

and lots of gay hazing

 

[NicholasJBasile]

I wrestled for a long time. There is no correlation between American wrestling and cheating in my observations.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

No, the UFC is in America and America has a tradition of wrestling in high school and college so there are just a disproportionate amount of Americans in the UFC that have wrestling backgrounds. If you consider how many foul or pop for PEDs compared to the total it's miniscule.