Is Steven Seagal legit?

[Ancient Warrior]

To be fair, Gene is essentially a shaved gorilla who happens to be a judo black belt. Even at however many million years old he is now, he'd likely choke out a large percentage of sherdoggers.

No one on Sherdog makes the grandiose claims of invincibility that Segal does though.

 

[ClosetVitorFan]

Thin running SS is the GOAT. For sure he could beat up 99.9% of Sherdog even when he is fat. In my mind that is easily meeting the bar of being legit. He has legit Aikido skills, problem is Aikido is about defense and small joint manipulation (which is not allowed in the rules of MMA). So he is legit for sure, he just not a legit MMA fighter.

Legit B Level actor.
Legit law enforcement.
Legit in Aikido
Legit word traveller.

I think most of us would kill for that resume.

Also legit is forced to purchase 3 plates for himself at the Rio Las Vegas all you can eat buffet.

 

[AndrewGolota48]

He would beat 95% of UFC fighters based on size and strength alone, here he is as an all natural senior citizen who still dwarfs a super athlete on PEDs in his 20s.

 

[iwhoopedbatman]

He was legit.
He was too legit. Too legit to quit.
But now he is not legit. And so he must quit.

 

[true_fan]

I think Randy by far the worst actor of all times!!lol

 

[bjjatx]

 

[LostMyBlackBelt]

My God, Trump and Seagal are the same person!

 

[JustBleed69]

He talks about how he could wreck and kill any UFC fighter. He even trained Anderson and Machida. So is this guy and his aikido skills for real, can he do what he claims he can do or is it bs
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Akido is bs and Seagal is even more bs

 

[Lynch Mob]

He is Frank Dux legit..

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

About as legit as Mr. Miyagi.

Miyagi would fuck Seagal up. Badly.

Spoiler

Paint the fucking fence!

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

I am sure Seagal would love to have more people believe that. It happened on a movie set, Lebell confirmed it (and is not the origin of the story). It happened.

I would love to hear the story. How does it go?

 

[Loiosh]

I think Randy by far the worst actor of all times!!lol

 

[Sgt Smith]

I love how he grew more hair as he aged.

 

[RoadKing Custom]

Only legit thing about SS is his CIA career..

 

[true_fan]

Actually, this guy is a true master bater!

 

[Dbreiden83080]

I'd pay 100 bucks to see he and JCVD throw down. Apparently SS punked out once at a party..

 

[Loiosh]

Can Damme isn't even a classically trained martial artist. He's a ballet man.

I thought Van Damme was a kickboxer who had more than sixty fights.

 

[CFGroup]

Yeah, probably true.

I see CFGroup is in the thread so hopefully he can give us some insight. He seems to have an extensive MMA background, including in Aikido.

I've heard stories about Seagal "going hard" on stunt men on movie sets. In a dick way. Intentionally hurting people.

My only point is that if Seagal wanted to hurt someone and he got a hold of them, he could probably hurt them. He does seem trained to be able to do that.

The average joe with no training isn't likely to do well against Seagal, would be my guess. But then again, Seagal is a fat old dude now so, who knows, a 10 year old might just rail on him with no repercussions because Seagal's too fat to move.

Yeah, he could've hurt anyone bad in his prime...You're only as good as your last 3 month training camp....

As I said in that other thread, my old Judo based Aikido school back east didn't think much of his technique cause he didn't trap the inside leg when he throws or use hip on hip contact to augment his power. A bunch of high level students in both Judo and Aikido were kinda picking their teeth and courtesy breakfalling in Randuri cause he does what they call "the monkey throw" a Harai Goshi with no hip or leg trap.

The thing with standing Jujitsu at a high level is you don't have time to compensate for the speed that the locks come on to the point of damage. Anyone who grabs, no matter what their MMA level, isn't going to be able respond in time until they spend the years of training them slow till they can unconsciously react in a defensive way. It's the same with Judo throws, anyone who gets caught in one on pavement would not be able to protect themselves and break fall safely.
IMHO that's one of the geniuses of BJJ is the 2 dimensional aspect of applying Jujitsu submissions where the speed enables the practitioners to go "All out" without breaking body parts. The obvious limitation is it can only be trained on the ground so the principles of kinetic energy and leverage are hard to internalize to use in Jujitsu mechanical principles.

Jujitsu in it's standing form wasn't developed for a sport "ready, set, go" format. It relies on catching opponents off guard, or unprepared where the technique is over before you realize it started. In that way anyone from a great standing technique school on a open theater is going to be a formidable threat against anyone from grandma to an un taped wrist world champ(remember all that boxing and MT's gonna break your hands and wrists out of the ring) because you don't know when and how they'll take you down or if they'll wait for a "starting bell"

The way I see "Aiki" Principles being applied in MMA right now are from the counter strikers. Machida V Bader was a perfect example of it. Machida caught him coming in using Bader's momentum against him to augment his straight right from his planted back leg. In reality it's like running into a head high steel bar. Any good standing Tachi Waza Jujitsu practitioner is going to exploit that same "Aiki" principle of augmenting their speed, power and efficiency In strikes like Machida, but also in throws and joint locks. Think of Udi Garami (Kamura) from standing where it's applied with the speed and reverse of direction like Bader got popped? Then think of the guy doesn't know how to protect(not that there's a good way) themselves from that at highly trained speeds? Pettis did a cool Aikidoesque throw in his last fight, around 4:35 of the second round where he wraps his arm around Oliveira's neck moving backwards and pivots 180 dumping him on the mat. Moves like that would be the "effective" circumstance to use Aikido's phylosophy of re direction and projection using the opponents momentum against them.

There's a wide variety of Aikido from the air throw, spiritual that's great for physical conditioning, that most(all) MMA fans only see, to the Seagal sort of faux combat, to the Tomiki, Kanai, Yoshinkai guys who spent over half a decade at the Kodokan before going over to Hombu dojo for 8 r so years. My background is more the Judo side so the throw like hell take no prisoners back to the Daito Ryu heritage.

Back to Seagal, he was really quick for a 6'4 dude so as we see in any other Jujitsu based competition his size and reach would be a huge factor. Like any modern "fighter" if he was in MMA he'd have to drill TDD like his life depended on it(cause it would) till it was second nature like all the rest of his arsenal.

 

[Elmo]

He talks about how he could wreck and kill any UFC fighter. He even trained Anderson and Machida. So is this guy and his aikido skills for real, can he do what he claims he can do or is it bs
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Dude has some hand to hand skillz, would obliterate 50% of all UFC fighters in his prime and 99% of Sherdoggers tonight.

 

[cheesus]

He is about as legit as his spray on hair.