Is Steven Seagal legit?

[KnightTemplar]

He's legit, stop hating. He lead Silva and Machida into Championship wins. He even beat Sean Connery, plus he has a new award winning movie. He even killed Gsp in Killing Salazar movie, in GSP's best getting killed performance.

Prime, Healthy Connery with That Look in his eyes makes Seagal his prison bitch.

Connery was a bodybuilder, bouncer and legit black belt in Kyokushin Karate. On the set of one movie, a Wise Guy who thought his girlfriend was having an affair with Connery pulled a gun on him. Connery knocked him the fuck out with one punch.

 

[Hoof Hearted]

You don't know shit. He's a 7 dan black belt in aikido and has blackbelts in karate, judo, and kendo.

Yeah he's old and fat now but he's a legit badass that would wreck most ufc guys in his prime.

He's well respected in Akido sure, but having a few black belts doesn't mean he would automatically 'wreck' most UFC fighters in his prime. Has he ever fought in anything other than Akido?

 

[Fyreborn]

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Are you trolling *me*? This guys claims are insane, and the crazy part is he seems to believe them.

Anderson and Machida said they learned from him because he paid them. It was a PR stunt. Anderson initially said Seagal taught him that kick, but later admitted he knew the snap kick from Muay Thai many years ago at a young age.

He's legit, stop hating. He lead Silva and Machida into Championship wins. He even beat Sean Connery, plus he has a new award winning movie. He even killed Gsp in Killing Salazar movie, in GSP's best getting killed performance.

He's legit compared to an average Joe. I'm well aware of his Aikido credentials, but that stuff doesn't compare to the more standard MMA disciplines. Let alone of a UFC caliber fighter.

I just saw this Sean Connery video. Connery said he broke his wrist, which Connery learned of almost 15 years later. But that was by accident. Anyway, Connery is no fighter.

I already said how Seagal knows leverage well and put Anderson in a wrist lock that made him yell in a video I saw. But putting a real fighter in such a hold to begin with is the hard part. And Seagal isn't skilled enough to pull it off, even against the smaller UFC fighters.

 

[Hotei]

He was a legit martial artist with sick joint manipulation. He also says a lot of ridiculous bs.

 

[Fyreborn]

Prime, Healthy Connery with That Look in his eyes makes Seagal his prison bitch.

Connery was a bodybuilder, bouncer and legit black belt in Kyokushin Karate. On the set of one movie, a Wise Guy who thought his girlfriend was having an affair with Connery pulled a gun on him. Connery knocked him the fuck out with one punch.

That was guy was actually Johnny Stompanato, a mobster who worked for Mickey Cohen. He dated Ava Gardner and Frank Sinatra begged Cohen to put an end to the affair.

He also dated Lana Turner. When Turner's 14 year old daughter heard him in the bedroom threatening her life and saying he'd cut her face, she grabbed a knife and held it out. He walked right into it (the daughter claims) and he died gruesomely - the coroner said the knife almost went out his back. It was a very famous incident due to the Hollywood angle.

From what I understand, Connery didn't knock him out, he karate chopped the gun out of his hand. This was on the set of a movie, I think a Bond film. Stompanato fled England in shame, but Connery was afraid for his life for a time.

Connery was a legit badass, and a big guy. But obviously not a trained fighter.

 

[Doog Doogson]

He's a big fat shit that needs to have his sunglasses surgically removed

 

[Mark]

The simple question was is Segal legit? Yes, he is. He may be old and fat now, but I'm sure in his day he was the real deal.

The real question is: Why do so many Sherdoggers like to sit behind their keyboards and bash people who have actually accomplished something great in life?

 

[delrey1]

Steven Seagal is legit

 

[FedorRoks]

He's legit, yes, at least in his version of Aikido. I don't know about his black belts in other disciplines.

Someone who is dan-level (high level) in Aikido and Judo was just explaining some of what Seagal does (and doesn't do) in another thread, I think the "Rogan rosts Aikido guy" thread. See poster CFGroup on this page (multiple posts):

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/s...with-fighter-rafael-cavalcante.3334853/page-3

Seagal, as far as I understand, studied "strong style" Aikido. That is, Aikido that is actually a legit martial art rather than just an art form and "do elegant moves" stuff. Seagal does seem to know techniques that can hurt you badly.

Would he beat Van Damme or someone else? No idea. But I think he would definitely destroy some average joe who hits the gym for weights three times a week. Seagal is a legit, 7th-dan level in Aikido, I believe.

 

[UJustGotChaeld]

He is impossible to choke out because of his Chi .. ask Gene Lebell.

 

[KnightTemplar]

That was guy was actually Johnny Stompanato, a mobster who worked for Mickey Cohen. He dated Ava Gardner and Frank Sinatra begged Cohen to put an end to the affair.

He also dated Lana Turner. When Turner's 14 year old daughter heard him in the bedroom threatening her life and saying he'd cut her face, she grabbed a knife and held it out. He walked right into it (the daughter claims) and he died gruesomely - the coroner said the knife almost went out his back. It was a very famous incident due to the Hollywood angle.

From what I understand, Connery didn't knock him out, he karate chopped the gun out of his hand. This was on the set of a movie, I think a Bond film. Stompanato fled England in shame, but Connery was afraid for his life for a time.

Connery was a legit badass, and a big guy. But obviously not a trained fighter.

Yeah, I couldn't remember how to spell his name, and I couldn't be bothered to Wiki him. He was a piece of shit and he got what he deserved.

I've heard several versions of that incident. One that Connery KHTFO before he could draw his gun, and another that Connery either knocked the gun from his hand or used a wrist lock of some kind to force Stompanato to drop it. Whatever the exact details, Connery made Stompanato his bitch.

He did have to take security precautions for some time afterwards, though, as what Wise Guys lack in guts and fighting ability they make up for in firepower.

Connery was a trained fighter, in the sense he was a legit black belt in Knockdown Karate. As a former bouncer, he had more than his fair share of real life fights. There's a story about Connery being targeted at an Edinburgh dance hall by one of the local street gangs. There were at least a dozen of them. Connery grabbed the two biggest guys and slammed their heads together. The rest of the gang left him alone.

 

[FedorRoks]

He is impossible to choke out because of his Chi .. ask Gene Lebell.

I hate to be the Seagal defender here, but I have heard that story is false.

I like Seagal, in general. Is he full of shit on a lot of things and a real jerk? Seems like it, yes. He seems like a clown in real life.

But I did hear that story is untrue, the LeBell thing.

 

[KnightTemplar]

He's legit, yes, at least in his version of Aikido. I don't know about his black belts in other disciplines.

Someone who is dan-level (high level) in Aikido and Judo was just explaining some of what Seagal does (and doesn't do) in another thread, I think the "Rogan rosts Aikido guy" thread. See poster CFGroup on this page (multiple posts):

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/s...with-fighter-rafael-cavalcante.3334853/page-3

Seagal, as far as I understand, studied "strong style" Aikido. That is, Aikido that is actually a legit martial art rather than just an art form and "do elegant moves" stuff. Seagal does seem to know techniques that can hurt you badly.

Would he beat Van Damme or someone else? No idea. But I think he would definitely destroy some average joe who hits the gym for weights three times a week. Seagal is a legit, 7th-dan level in Aikido, I believe.

Probably, if you're talking about someone in shape but with absolutely no martial arts training. Even then, against a strong brawler, Seagal is going to struggle badly after the first thirty seconds or so.

 

[WouldNotBang]

He looks like he can actually hang with the guy from Man vs. Food in some of those competitions.

 

[FedorRoks]

Probably, if you're talking about someone in shape but with absolutely no martial arts training. Even then, against a strong brawler, Seagal is going to struggle badly after the first thirty seconds or so.

Yeah, probably true.

I see CFGroup is in the thread so hopefully he can give us some insight. He seems to have an extensive MMA background, including in Aikido.

I've heard stories about Seagal "going hard" on stunt men on movie sets. In a dick way. Intentionally hurting people.

My only point is that if Seagal wanted to hurt someone and he got a hold of them, he could probably hurt them. He does seem trained to be able to do that.

The average joe with no training isn't likely to do well against Seagal, would be my guess. But then again, Seagal is a fat old dude now so, who knows, a 10 year old might just rail on him with no repercussions because Seagal's too fat to move.

 

[UJustGotChaeld]

I hate to be the Seagal defender here, but I have heard that story is false.

I like Seagal, in general. Is he full of shit on a lot of things and a real jerk? Seems like it, yes. He seems like a clown in real life.

But I did hear that story is untrue, the LeBell thing.

I am sure Seagal would love to have more people believe that. It happened on a movie set, Lebell confirmed it (and is not the origin of the story). It happened.

 

[Lowercase p]

Somewhat legit, but he would get wrecked by fighters these days.

 

[FedorRoks]

I am sure Segall would love to have more people believe that. It happened on a movie set, Lebell confirmed it (and is not the origin of the story). It happened.

No, actually it didn't.

http://www.steven-seagal.net/xen/in...m-directors-co-stars.14937/page-4#post-225269

A sample from that excerpted Facebook post:

Another stuntman by the name of Steve Lambert was also an eyewitness to Gene’s and Steven’s brief interaction. He also stated that Gene never choked out Steven and that no altercation ever occurred. Again, this is not some street fight, or casual dojo situation. If such an altercation happened on a professional movie set the consequences for the producers, directors and the movie studio would be most severe. A stuntman (Lebell) simply cannot choke out and hurt the lead star of a movie in production on the set. The legal liability and damage to their professional reputations would be unthinkable. Quite simply the set would have been closed down. If the star lost consciousness a doctor’s signed release would be legally required for Steven to go back to work. No such record exists. The bonding company who insures the production for the movie would have sued Lebell for the loss of working days. The financial implications would amount to hundreds of thousands of dollars given the cost of shutting down production even for a couple of days. Again, keep in mind that we are talking about an alleged fight on a professional movie set. The consequences of such an altercation would be enormous. Casual altercations might happen in the gym, but not on the highly regulated and professionally managed stage of a movie production.

The idea that the incident with Lebell and Seagal happened is beyond ridiculous, as the author of the post (Ron Balicki) points out.


Coming back to the thread, I think Seagal is a dirtbag human being but one who could hurt the average person in an encounter if he wanted to and the person was untrained.

 

[John Wick]

TS on a youtube binge this morning with some old news. 1) Joe Rogan akido thread. 2 ) Steven Segal thread

Welcome to 2016.

 

[ilfirin]

He's well respected in Akido sure, but having a few black belts doesn't mean he would automatically 'wreck' most UFC fighters in his prime. Has he ever fought in anything other than Akido?

To be fair, no Aikido practitioner is well respected in MMA.