History Is serving in the military a noble profession?

[Takes Two To Tango]

I believe everything has its pros and cons, but I don't think it's as noble as it once was.

I don't know if you are fighting for the right cause at times.

Seems to me there are a lot of gray areas.

Although the intent is noble I would say.

 

[shunyata]

Noblish.

War has always been a racket.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

Noblish.

War has always been a racket.

Yes, I agree for the most part.

How about WWII? Was that a true noble war in a sense?

 

[shunyata]

Yes, I agree for the most part.

How about WWII? Was that a true noble war in a sense?

Depends on perspective and assignment.

I'm sure some of the Japanese military thought it was noble and the things they were doing in China were justified.

On the American side, liberating Europe probably felt a lot more noble than working at a Japanese American internment camp.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

Depends on perspective and assignment.

I'm sure some of the Japanese military thought it was noble and the things they were doing in China were justified.

On the American side, liberating Europe probably felt a lot more noble than working at a Japanese American internment camp.

Yah it all comes down to perspective indeed. Everyone I guess thought they were fighting a just war in their point of view during that time.

Like they say the winners write the history books.

 

[Kung Fu Kowboy]

 

[Aegon Spengler]

Not the American military but maybe elsewhere

 

[PBAC]

It's become blurry but lacking even a semblance of moral backing is a big no. WW2 was the last real one of these and the Korean war was almost immediately questioned. Even Iraq had the shadow of 9/11 and a confirmed evil dictator, even if he was out of service. The only war that might be comparable is if Russia takes Ukraine or something else to an extreme. Maybe they aren't even evil but annexing out of ego to join the union of the frozen thundra is just a grim image.

 

[Cole train]

Not especially, job like anything else but becomes bit of a lifestyle during service

 

[wlu.29]

In modern days general infantry is for those who can't be gainfully employed otherwise

 

[RichardHarrow]

Army green is no safe bet.

 

[mozfonky]

mostly no, i don't get how they find people dumb enough to join these days.

 

[Stoic1]

Noble? Ehhhhh.

I think it used to be more "revered". You know, you looked up to your grandparents and great grandparents who served, especially in wartime. It was looked at as a form of public service.

Nowadays, to be real, a lot of it is adult daycare. The amount of time I spent un-fucking some stupid E4/E5's bullshit was incredible.

I will tell you there has been a "warrior caste" here in America for forever. If your great grandparents, father, uncle and brother served you probably served as will your sons. It is typically generational. That dynamic changed recently. A lot of veterans would no longer recommend service to their kids.

Retention issues are somewhat related to the reputational perspective of young Americans who are now ashamed, rather than proud of their country, and thus less likely to serve.

 

[Beechwood]

I think for the majority of those that sign up with one o the armed forces as an enlisted it is done as a way to pay for college. At least that has been my experience when talking with people. Noble isn't something so much thought about.

I've seen some mention too that they found the discipline good for them. I can imagine with so many boys these days growing up without fathers, military training and discipline could be well thought of.

Being a military officer tends to be well thought of. Well, the enlisted might have a good time making fun of officers at times, but out of military circles officers can be well viewed.

 

[Wrath of Foamy]

Over here, it seems to be for young men who either have come from a military family, or who have been struggling and see the military as a way to sort their life out.

 

[Brom Bones]

I joined the US Army way back in 2001 before this happened:



I did it because I didn't know what I was doing after HS, I wanted an adventure, money for college, career training, benefits like health care. I'm a Vietnamese refugee and I felt I should do something for the country that tried to help me out.

Little did I know that this would set forth a series of events where we would end up fighting a war for oil:



It made me realize that while I was fighting for mostly noble causes (and some selfish), the politicians were using me as a pawn for their masters, the rich 0.0001% who really control the world. I'm talking Boeing, Exxon, Brown & Root, Lockheed Martin, etc.

It kind of rained on my parade, to turn so cynical so fast.

 

[Prefect]

 

[Bobby Boulders]

It's relative, I believe. Many feel they're being honorable by sacrificing the life they may have had and giving it to the military, and it really is an honorable thing, but if the country for which you're making that sacrifice is commanding you to go in and do shitty things to people, you had the choice to be there or not (in most cases), you're still an asshole.

Pretty soon their will be enough Terminators that a number of people will no longer be necessary, drones will do it all

 

[Sycho Sid]

For most people, it is just a job. It has great benefits, and can set you up for life. Some might join for "noble" purposes, but for most it is a job.

 

[TheAlliance]

It is very noble to serve your country. But not everyone serving is noble.