Is really Jon Jones best P4P?

[threelions]

I'm not a fan of him as a person but he cleaned out the division of the old school and beat all the top contenders he had until he got banned. So yeah right now I would say he is.

 

[Dart Feld]

Pettis too, at one point.


P4P is not a career achievement recognition.
It's about the 'present'/'recent' status.

And the complexion of the wins factor in as well as P4P is a measure of skill. Pettis at least did show his prowess in striking and BJJ in his brief impressive run. Conor's streak while impressive were limited in display of the facets in MMA. Not that discounts him, rather other P4P candidates showing a vast array of skill and adaptability like a Jones or MM should be valued more highly.

Now here we are with Conor being bested on the feet and outgrappled in a LW fight with no real water weight cut between either man. His stock P4P-wise dropped somewhat with most, as did Pettis, as did Barao, as did Weidman, and other supposed P4P# 1 that were suggested to be over guys like Jones/Aldo/MM.

 

[MusterX]

Jones should pretty much be 16-0 in the UFC. He's 15-1 but widely considered undefeated. As far as P4P, I don't really care. He is the best fighter on the roster.

 

[...El Ray]

Yes is.

 

[CoffeeAndBeer]

And the complexion of the wins factor in as well as P4P is a measure of skill. Pettis at least did show his prowess in striking and BJJ in his brief impressive run. Conor's streak while impressive were limited in display of the facets in MMA. Not that discounts him, rather other P4P candidates showing a vast array of skill and adaptability like a Jones or MM should be valued more highly.

Now here we are with Conor being bested on the feet and outgrappled in a LW fight with no real water weight cut between either man. His stock P4P-wise dropped somewhat with most, as did Pettis, as did Barao, as did Weidman, and other supposed P4P# 1 that were suggested to be over guys like Jones/Aldo/MM.

P4P is a measure of the better fighter, regardless of size.

Skill is only one facet that plays a part in how good a fighter is.

Skill-for-Skill is something else.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

His last couple fights went into decision, but he didnt showcase anything worthy remembering.

The only good fight I remember was with Rua for belt...

Yea of course Gus one was good too, but it was only good because of the back and forth touch to it. No fancy moves, spinning back fists and so on.

When he beats Cormier I would love to see him going to HW.

Based on longevity and quality of opposition he's almost certainly the PFP best. How he the rest of his fights turn out, and if he can be successful at HW, will determine whether he's the GOAT. His lack of character hurts his fan appeal but it should have no bearing on his rankings.

 

[tenniswhiz]

Depends.

If you shrunk him down to 125, how would he fare against MM?

If you blew Jones up to 230-240, how would he do against Werdum, Reem, Stipe, and Cain.
Actually, forget it, because already weighs about that much but doesn't fight these guys.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Not sure about P4P(until he fights the top HWs), but he is the most dominant fighter in MMA at the moment imo.

P4P means without having to fight HW's... = )

 

[Dart Feld]

P4P is a measure of the better fighter, regardless of size.

Skill is only one facet that plays a part in how good a fighter is.

Skill-for-Skill is something else.

Hmm, I can't agree with a measure of a fighter's skill in the sport of MMA not valuing well rounded displays of the facets of MMA higher than most if not all other factors.

The whole basis is comparing the skill of the premier fighters of the sport across the weight divisions because in most cases direct matchups between them wouldn't be fair.

 

[ncboy]

He is, which is weird for some one without 1 punch/kick KO power.