I do think the overall avg skill level is higher (especially striking), but people act like there's no way any of the old legends would've been able to compete today, even if they were in their prime. Up until recently, Lewis was the #1 HW contender. Glover has been around forever & is now LHW champ. Is there anything Israel does that Anderson couldn't? Usman has effective striking but in terms of technique, his striking is not high level. Colby is currently #1 WW contender but his striking isn't very good (got lit up by K1 Maia). I think GSP is more skilled than Usman (doesn't necessarily mean GSP would win because Usman has other intangibles like power).
Is MMA as evolved as many think?
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Well yeah it's obviously developed.
It used to be that American or Brazilian fighters were the champion 9/10.
Now, there's 1 male Brazilian champion and 1 American champions (who probably shouldn't be champion according to many).
The sheer influx of international talent has taken this sport to the next level, and that's without factoring in the marginal progress that happens year on year.
It used to be that American or Brazilian fighters were the champion 9/10.
Now, there's 1 male Brazilian champion and 1 American champions (who probably shouldn't be champion according to many).
The sheer influx of international talent has taken this sport to the next level, and that's without factoring in the marginal progress that happens year on year.
Like I said, I do think overall skill level is higher (especially striking) but I think people are selling the legends short when they say even in their prime, they wouldn't be able to compete today. I pointed out examples from WW to HW why I disagree. So far the responses haven't really rebutted my original post
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It's not near as developed as it will be. It's going to take years to get more divisions "stacked," like Lightweight.
Yes, I think that was some very high level striking. From WW to HW, I'm not convinced that the legends like Fedor, Anderson, GSP, if in their prime, would not be able to compete. Lewis was #1 contender until recently, & I'm not convinced that Israel & Usman are much more skilled than Anderson & GSP (I actually think GSP is more skilled than Usman, & Anderson has a better ground game than Israel). Glover has been around for almost 20 yrs & he just became champ
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It was an amazing fight (especially high level striking) but that's just 1 division. From WW to HW, I'm not convinced that its evolved as much as people make it out to be
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That's fair, i think the biggest improvements are seen by the guys who're below the champions in the rankings.
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I can never tell whether these are troll threads, or whether some of you are really that dumb.
Like I said, overall skill level is higher (especially striking) but when people claim Fedor, Anderson, & GSP or other legends, even in their prime, wouldn't be able to compete, isn't it farfetched? I pointed out examples like Lewis being #1 contender, Israel & Usman are not more skilled than Anderson & GSP IMO. How about some rebuttals instead? I'm for good discussions, not trolling & I don't think this is a stupid thread. Glover has been around for about 20 yrs & just became champ too
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GOATs and their most notable challenges in their prime from the early 2000s and onwards likely would have been competitive in their divisions today. They more than likely wouldn't have the same level of dominance over the same length of time.
I won't pretend I know basketball well, but Michael Jordan would probably still be a badass NBA player today. But he probably wouldn't have the same level of dominance. Similar to how Mohammed Ali would still be a badass HW, but a guy like Tyson Fury would present serous challenges to him that just didn't exist in his day.
None of this is an insult to anybody, it doesn't diminish the best of today or of yesterday.
People with small penises argue over this kind of thing because they have nothing better to do. The reality is the best of the best is why the overall skill level in the sport rises. It inspires the next generation and it builds techniques and tactics for others to use.
I won't pretend I know basketball well, but Michael Jordan would probably still be a badass NBA player today. But he probably wouldn't have the same level of dominance. Similar to how Mohammed Ali would still be a badass HW, but a guy like Tyson Fury would present serous challenges to him that just didn't exist in his day.
None of this is an insult to anybody, it doesn't diminish the best of today or of yesterday.
People with small penises argue over this kind of thing because they have nothing better to do. The reality is the best of the best is why the overall skill level in the sport rises. It inspires the next generation and it builds techniques and tactics for others to use.
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Nobody reasonable claims that, you’re making up a fake argument to prove your point
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The talent depth has increased along with much, much smarter training methods but the top guys from back in the day would still be right around the top of today's divisions.
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People claim that all the time. Just yesterday someone said prime Silva wouldn't be a top 5 MW today. If course he was trolling and probably doesn't really believe that but that didn't stop him from making that claim publicly.
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That’s why I added in “reasonable”
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it's evolved it's just that specific guys from the past could be effective in todays landscape.
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Mma is definitely evolved, it’s just that it’s a sport that’s multidimensional and there’s no real way to prepare for every aspect.
Youth is usually served, but veterans can sometimes compensate with superior experience and superior strategy.
Youth is usually served, but veterans can sometimes compensate with superior experience and superior strategy.
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Prime Anderson could very well still be champ in today's MW era and if not he would deff be top 5
