Is Judo effective in a streetfight?

[Striderxdj]

I'd rather do a front flip than let somebody throw me in explosive manner on concrete, maybe land on top etc...

The point was that if just flipping onto your back hurts, then having someone osoto gari and drive you into the ground with force will be worse.

 

[Russky]

The point was that if just flipping onto your back hurts, then having someone osoto gari and drive you into the ground with force will be worse.

Throwing someone who has no wresting experience and does not keep chin tucked with osoto may end up with severe head trauma. I'd think twice before doing that.

 

[Striderxdj]

Throwing someone who has no wresting experience and does not keep chin tucked with osoto may end up with severe head trauma. I'd think twice before doing that.

Well, I dont get into random fights but being able to make someone a vegetable with a relatively easy move seems like a pretty effective martial art.

 

[Codger]

Problem with judo is that it is usually taught as a sport with zero attention paid to punch defence or distance management that us relevant to striking. You can easily get knocked out walking in for your grips.

Same with most BJJ clubs really.

Having said that I won a few fights with judo. Never did a big throw but stuck to trips. You can control the force in a trip to avoid killing them and end up on top.

 

[Chungungo]

Problem with judo is that it is usually taught as a sport with zero attention paid to punch defence or distance management that us relevant to striking. You can easily get knocked out walking in for your grips.

Same with most BJJ clubs really.

Having said that I won a few fights with judo. Never did a big throw but stuck to trips. You can control the force in a trip to avoid killing them and end up on top.

Honestly closing the dstance with regular guys is not that hard, you need little training or logic, the best against sucker punches is koshi guruma but anyway I´m lucky to have a sensei that once in a while show self defense aplications.

If you are good at it, if you suck it might not work as well.

If the other guy has some training, you might have a problem. The main weakness is lack of striking.

Judo/Muay Thai is an ideal combination. I don't think most people need the detailed ground game that BJJ provides for the "street".

You should do what you like and what you show talent for over something that you are slow to learn.

If you have a knack for Judo and like it, do it. If you don't, find something else you are better at and like more.

For me is the best combo , my muay thai coach was also a judoca and living in Brazil told me judo saved him many times because bad guys not always try to assault you face to face...sometimes they try to do the standing RNC with bad technique.

 

[EndlessCritic]

Rwanda Rousey

 

[TehGwarch]

Rwanda Rousey

I'm thinking in my mind...could the average BJJer that I'm acquainted with either stop that throw or successfully roll out of it.

I'm going to say maybe, real big maybe. lol

 

[Thycidides]

My gym markets BJJ for self defense to new people. However the punching defense is lacking compared to Muay Thai which is also offered. What's funny is that Mauy Thai is probably more relevant to someone interested in self defense from punches but it isn't marketed as such.

 

[TehGwarch]

No one martial art these days is really adequate by itself for fighting. At some point you are depending on the element of surprise or the relative ineptitude of your opponent.

So, with Judo, make sure you attack first...or assume/hope he is not a good boxer...or that you are also a kickboxer.

I've trained Gracie jiu-jitsu long enough to know the entries for any Judo throw off a punch whether by slipping or parrying. I would counter the clinch attempt and throw more strikes with bad results for the Judoka.

In this video with the African woman, she depends that the man does not take her seriously and uses surprise. He is also untrained and lands on his face.

 

[TehGwarch]

My gym markets BJJ for self defense to new people. However the punching defense is lacking compared to Muay Thai which is also offered. What's funny is that Mauy Thai is probably more relevant to someone interested in self defense from punches but it isn't marketed as such.

Sport BJJ by itself is not really good self defense. It'll do but it's lacking somewhat.

OTOH Gracie punch defenses and entries are designed mostly for haymakers or single committed punches. For all the talk about how people only punch this way, I've never seen one IRL and always threw hard straight punches before I trained. Now I throw combos, and kicks, high and low.

Best just to add a kickboxing session or two every week than depending on your opponent to be a doofus. By the time you earn your black belt in BJJ or Judo you would also be a competent striker.

The best way to counter anything is to learn how to do it.

 

[jack36767]

Sport BJJ by itself is not really good self defense. It'll do but it's lacking somewhat.

Gracie punch defenses and entries are designed mostly for haymakers. For all the talk about how people only punch this way, I've never seen one IRL and always threw hard straight punches before I trained. Now I throw combos, and kicks, high and low.

Best just to add a kickboxing session or two every week than depending on your opponent to be a doofus. By the time you earn your black belt in BJJ or Judo you would also be a competent striker.

The best way to counter anything is to learn how to do it.

yeah, I've always had a problem with idiots like bjj_rage trying to say that it's ok to depend on your opponent not knowing what they're doing when it comes to self defense, including takedowns and striking

 

[Gorbag]

Knowing some striking for self defense is a very good idea, grapplers should learn how to close the distance - or at least keep distance without getting knocked out!

Judo has definitely an egde over BJJ when it comes to second line defence, after bodycontact is established, to throw and keep fighting standing. Being on top if fight goes to the ground will also be of outmost importance, the last place you want to be in a streetfight is on the ground defending from your back.

Thats also my main problem with BJJ for self defense or street fight, wimpy takedown defence, lousy throws and usually ending up on the ground defending from the guard when fighting a physically stronger guy...

 

[Badger67]

One of the other things judo/wrestling teaches that BJJ doesn't is the "do or die" mantra.
Often times training and competing in both judo and wrestling we'd hear the slogan "you have to hate losing more than you enjoy winning", f

In judo, you don't have much time on the ground, with certain types of grips, and if you're on the verge of being rolled over you learn to prevent it or get to the feet easier, to make transitions/reversals faster and more painful for the opponent. Most BJJ guys tend to be too relaxed, relying on a longer time limit to utilize skills. Watch judo submissions, they aren't applied, they are ripped into the anatomy of their opponent after throwing. Judo if used violently on concrete is more than effective, adding MT to it allows for a stronger and more protective clinch.

 

[discrawg]

Of course it's not effective if you just reach blindly for their sleeves and collars while they punch your face off.

But yes it is extremely effective in a street fight. As long as you can use it at the right time.

 

[BJ@LW&WW]

short answer is yes.

but obviously, if you train a certain style and with self defense as a primary mindset, it will be much more effective than some styles of judo

 

[Thycidides]

Sport BJJ by itself is not really good self defense. It'll do but it's lacking somewhat.

OTOH Gracie punch defenses and entries are designed mostly for haymakers or single committed punches. For all the talk about how people only punch this way, I've never seen one IRL and always threw hard straight punches before I trained. Now I throw combos, and kicks, high and low.

Best just to add a kickboxing session or two every week than depending on your opponent to be a doofus. By the time you earn your black belt in BJJ or Judo you would also be a competent striker.

The best way to counter anything is to learn how to do it.

Thats what i do now. I mostly do judo nd bjj with some MT. I'm not sure I could say i was a competent striker without competing in it though . I could easily beat up someone that never did any sparring but that's a pretty low standard to have.

 

[TehGwarch]

Knowing some striking for self defense is a very good idea, grapplers should learn how to close the distance - or at least keep distance without getting knocked out!

Judo has definitely an egde over BJJ when it comes to second line defence, after bodycontact is established, to throw and keep fighting standing. Being on top if fight goes to the ground will also be of outmost importance, the last place you want to be in a streetfight is on the ground defending from your back.

Thats also my main problem with BJJ for self defense or street fight, wimpy takedown defence, lousy throws and usually ending up on the ground defending from the guard when fighting a physically stronger guy...

That's one way real combat is different than sparring, you definitely prefer quick decisive finishes to wearing someone down over time. Strength and explosiveness becomes way more an advantage.

If you have any physical strength potential at all you should pick Judo and work hard on physical strength and size.

But if you are weaker and have limited strength potential maybe BJJ is better since you are going to end up on your back anyway. But it's going to suck, honestly I don't see the difference between winning or losing in some of these cases.

Even if you "win" everyone thinks you lost and you got ground up. Every time someone wants to try you...oh shit here we go again. Hot lava and broken needles. lol

 

[Mr Mojo Lane]

i used to have a Judo/TJJJ instructor who was a bouncer. He used an Ippon seoi nagi against a guy with a knife. He did not know how he did it. He just goy two arms on the hand with the knife and did the throw. I think Judo is a little bit better than wrestling on the street b/c there will be times where the Judo guy is standing and the other guy is on the ground

 

[Gorbag]

That's one way real combat is different than sparring, you definitely prefer quick decisive finishes to wearing someone down over time. Strength and explosiveness becomes way more an advantage.

If you have any physical strength potential at all you should pick Judo and work hard on physical strength and size.

But if you are weaker and have limited strength potential maybe BJJ is better since you are going to end up on your back anyway.

I disagree that you need lots of physical strength to throw even a much larger and stronger person in a self defence situation. A throw may come as a complete surprise to the average streetbrawler tipping him off balance and sending him on his head into the concrete. Training standing randori with persons of different size will also make you stronger and more difficult to be taken down as the most important skill for defending yourself.

Figthing on the ground defending from the back is the last line defense, something went terrible wrong if you find yourself in that position in a streetfight. Yes, groundfighting from the guard are important skills, but much more important are skills in not ending up there at all.

Like leaves from the trees, BJJ practitioners fall to the ground almost by the law of gravity, its simply the nature of their sport...

 

[TehGwarch]

I disagree that you need lots of physical strength to throw even a much larger and stronger person in a self defence situation. A throw may come as a complete surprise to the average streetbrawler tipping him off balance and sending him on his head into the concrete. Training standing randori with persons of different size will also make you stronger and more difficult to be taken down as the most important skill for defending yourself.

Figthing on the ground defending from the back is the last line defense, something went terrible wrong if you find yourself in that position in a streetfight. Yes, groundfighting from the guard are important skills, but much more important are skills in not ending up there at all.

Like leaves from the trees, BJJ practitioners fall to the ground almost by the law of gravity, its simply the nature of their sport...

Maybe you do and maybe you don't.

Depends on skill level but have you seen the size of some people these days? lol

I don't like to make too many assumptions about my opponent's skill level. Even a year of training or a wrestling background makes a difference.