Is Jon Jones a sociopath/psychopath?

[Tycho]

These kind of personality disorders are mostly bullshit with no real basis in medical science, yes people's brains are wired differently but not to the extent where we can put people into neat little categories based of a brain scan.

Its even more retarded to try and analyse a guy you've never met. If I had to make a judgement about Jones, he probably as a slightly lower IQ given how often he does dumb shit. Could be wrong though.

 

[onesongchai]

These kind of personality disorders are mostly bullshit with no real basis in medical science, yes people's brains are wired differently but not to the extent where we can put people into neat little categories based of a brain scan.

Its even more retarded to try and analyse a guy you've never met. If I had to make a judgement about Jones, he probably as a slightly lower IQ given how often he does dumb shit. Could be wrong though.

You are the definition of a retard. You know what your disorder is? Autism.

 

[Tycho]

You are the definition of a retard. You know what your disorder is? Autism.

Sorry, do you consider yourself a sociopath or something?

 

[Zarra]

These kind of personality disorders are mostly bullshit with no real basis in medical science, yes people's brains are wired differently but not to the extent where we can put people into neat little categories based of a brain scan.

Are you freaking kidding me?

 

[Mob69]

Good thread, TS. I was thinking recently that Jones is probably a diagnosable psychopath. Look at the extended interview he did with Helwani in ABQ. Jones made some vague noise about 'learning' from the incident, but couldn't pretend to show even *fake* empathy for the pregnant woman he injured. That was very telling. It was clear that he has no empathy with other people, no remorse for his actions, and lives only for his own gratification. He also displays a flagrant disregard for conventional morality (not to mention the law).

Here are some traits of psychopathy that are relevant to Jones:

* Superficial
* Pathological egocentricity - complete self-centredness
* Grandiose (Jones all over)
* Lack of remorse or guilt
* Lack of empathy
* Manipulative and deceitful
* Impulsive
* Poor behaviour controls
* Need for excitement - prone to boredom
* Lack of personal responsibility
* Poor judgement and inability to learn from mistakes
* Anti-social behaviour
* Lack of awareness of how others perceive you
* Ingratitude

Can anyone really suggest that Jon Jones is NOT a readily diagnosable psychopath?

 

[Wingslaught]

Jones definitely sounds like a Narcissist if you listen to any of his interviews; it's all I, I, I, I, I, me, my, my, my. He sounds kind of obsessed with himself just like most Narcissists. The really strange thing is how his Narcissistic mindset has probably contributed to his massive success in MMA.

 

[Benjamin Burton]

These kind of personality disorders are mostly bullshit with no real basis in medical science, yes people's brains are wired differently but not to the extent where we can put people into neat little categories based of a brain scan.

Its even more retarded to try and analyse a guy you've never met. If I had to make a judgement about Jones, he probably as a slightly lower IQ given how often he does dumb shit. Could be wrong though.

op says that all psycopathic personality disorders have higher iqs but thats not true. there are tons of antisocials that lack empathy that have low iqs.

high iq psychopaths can blend in well because they can use their intellect to gauge other people and act accordingly.

jones is a perfect example of a low iq psychpath because he doesnt hide it well. its obvious he has a lack of empathy.

 

[dim_]

Narcissist? yes
Sociopath? probably
Psychopath? No

 

[Threetrees]

Well, psychiatry is junk pseudoscience . GOAT

 

[FranOlivetto]

all of the armchair PhDs will come out in full force for this one. should be an entertaining thread

RIP Raconnor

 

[J0N0]

These kind of personality disorders are mostly bullshit with no real basis in medical science, yes people's brains are wired differently but not to the extent where we can put people into neat little categories based of a brain scan.

Its even more retarded to try and analyse a guy you've never met. If I had to make a judgement about Jones, he probably as a slightly lower IQ given how often he does dumb shit. Could be wrong though.

I understand what you are saying, and largely agree about the categorization of mental disorders being a subjective construct. But in the case of psychopathy I believe that there has been research which has found genetic indicators.

In Jones' case, I think he's just a spoiled brat though.

 

[The_Renaissance]

Definitely, without a shadow of a doubt.

 

[TCE]

Lol, a psychopath? No. A sociopath? Maybe.

 

[Frank Edgar]

He is certainly immature, shows very bad judgment, somewhat stupid, and is probably not a nice person, but there is no reason to call him a sociopath.

He is obviously not a psychopath, the only people that get put into this category are murderers, rapists, etc. Calling him this is fighter bashing.

A sociopath is also a stretch. Sociopaths also tend to be criminals and do mass harm to others. You cannot lump Jones in the same category as people like Bernie Madoff who steal the lifesavings of others. For the most part Jones has engaged in a lot of self destructive behavior but has not gone out of his way to harm others (except in the cage of course).

He grew up rich and famous. Like many other people he has developed drug problems and like many athletes he has probably taken PEDs but that does not make him an irredeemable person. Mike Tyson bit the ear off a person, got imprisoned for rape, and had severe drug problems but now he lives a relatively low-key life. It is possible that people can have many personal problems without being considered sociopaths.

 

[Andy Anderson]

That crocodile tears


he and mcgregor are obviously psychopaths

 

[tenniswhiz]

In fact, to actually qualify for the official diagnosis, you must have a diagnose-able conduct disorder as an adolescent, which I think he does not.

If he has juvee records, they'd be sealed and you wouldn't know about it

 

[JoannaBones]

Since Daniel Cormier recently said he believes so, I wanted to ask Sherdog and see what Sherdog's opinion on the matter is.

A psychopath is generally considered to be someone who suffers from one of the psychopathic (cluster-b) personality disorders which are Antisocial Personality Disorder, Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Borderline Personality Disorder.

All three disorders have the "lack of empathy" symptom, which is why they are considered psychopathic/sociopathic.

Hundreds of thousands of people have these disorders, it doesn't make them killers. Serial killers and violent offenders only make up a small percentage of these people. But most psychopaths, although don't have empathy, still wouldn't kill someone obviously.

All psychopaths have a much higher IQ than the average person but usually don't put it to use.
However, if we compare to serial killers,

- Most serial killers have antisocial personality disorder.
- Certain cases they may have the other two. Some major examples are Ted Bundy (Narcissistic Personality) and Jeffrey Dahmer (Borderline Personality).
- Its possible to have more than one. Serial killer, Andrei Chikatilo was diagnosed with ALL THREE psychopathic disorders.


Jones seems somewhat of a Narcissist. I would guess NPD with Borderline traits. His self destructive behavior, reckless acts, damaging acts, prone to violence, prone to angry, short fuse, etc. Classic NPD / Borderline Personality.

How is he prone to violence, he got into one fight outside the octagon because D.C. shoved him in the neck and never gets violent ever. Shot fuse? Really? With all the guys who talked shit about Jones and all the fans booing and yelling at him I'd say most of it just rolls off his back. Cody Garbramdt is someone with a short fuse. Jon Jones has excellent control over his emotions. Fuck you.

 

[Khabib Fan]

I had voted yes but I'm changing my mind right about now. That really strange look he had during interviews, the look that sparked this entire conversation, I think it was brought on by remorse. I think it he knows he did something wrong and he was as uncomfortable as all hell by facing it. A sociopath/psychopath doesn't go through this process.

 

[Frozen Sea]

Psychopath? No. Sociopath? Yes I think so

 

[ZFury]

If they don't have a story, they'll make one, losers focus on winners. DC should quit being such a sore loser, he'll be better for it. When competitiveness reaches ignorance you've gone too far. Maybe DC is projecting a little bit like most people who feel like a failure, he seems to be in a defeated mindset, he's defined himself meaning he's enslaved himself and is now trying to define others the same way. Psychiatry is made up, and only causes division.