Is Jon Jones a sociopath/psychopath?

Is Jon Jones a psychopath?


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you cant be a high level champion and be a sociopath. YOu have to depend on too many people to help you to be anti social and a liar. If anything, being champ shows your ability to work with others and be a team leader. Bones is a very very smart man, he is just immature I wonder how many of you would say no to the women and the outside influences when your life is training 2x a day 365 days a year. Give the guy a break he is the best you will ever see in your lifetimes, enjoy it while it lasts.
 
It's more like Jon doesn't really believe he has done anything truly wrong. When he is apologizing for his mistakes, whether to the public, or a judge, it comes across as an act. He is sorry he got caught, and sorry that there are consequences, but not sorry about his actions. I don't believe that he is sincere at all during those moments. The real Jon Jones believes he is above it all.

That is my take on him.

yeah sort of like he think it isn't a big deal and it's your problem if you think otherwise....a bit like my brother
 
No psychologist, but he def sounds like the Narcissist with maybe a splash of Anti Social
 
Well, psychiatry is junk pseudoscience and so is psychology. Whatever he has, it's working miracles in the cage. GOAT
 
I scored a 10. That's good because I'm so much better than everyone else, I can't be a psychopath. Besides, it's way too easy to lie in this test. My torture tests are better - my "willing" test objects indicated so.

Don't worry, you're utterly harmless and a zero threat to anyone in society.
 
I'm fully aware of it, but an appeal to authority doesn't quite work when the guy I sourced has better credentials than you. Not trying to be rude (I don't know shit about psychology, I'm a chemist), but do you think you can provide some evidence to support your claim?

*As for the DSM, I have a copy (I think it was like 4th ed.) from my undergraduate abnormal psych class, and it doesn't mention that at all.
I won't get into a debate about who is a better authority on this, but I would invite you to ask any clinical psychologist (which I will point out that Neuroscientist is not) if you can diagnose APD through a brain scan, they will unconditionally tell you no. There may be some correlations they can find regarding brain and behavior, but it is by no means conclusive, nor is genetic predisposition to violent and aggressive behavior. While it is not an either/or situation (it possibly could be affected by both), the evidence of environment causing this behavior is far stronger.

As far as what you debated me on, that is very easy information to find; anyone familiar with psych diagnostics could tell you this:
Individuals with Antisocial Personality Disorder grow up being lawless and impulsive. The core features of this disorder are: (1) antagonism (manipulativeness, callousness, deceitfulness, hostility), and (2) disinhibition (risk taking, impulsivity, irresponsibility). This disorder is only diagnosed if: (1) the individual is at least 18, (2) these behaviors occur at home, work, and in the community, and (3) these behaviors lead to clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

In childhood, these individuals usually have Oppositional Defiant Disorder (towards parents and teachers) which develops into Conduct Disorder (delinquency) in adolescence. This delinquency takes the form of reckless thrill-seeking, physical violence (towards people or animals), and law-breaking. These individuals become the school bullies, thieves, vandals, and drug-dealers. Most adolescent delinquents grow out of this behavior as they enter adulthood. However, those that increase their delinquent behavior as they enter adulthood have their diagnosis changed from Conduct Disorder to Antisocial Personality Disorder.

In adulthood, individuals with Antisocial Personality Disorder become more antagonistic. They show an exaggerated sense of self-importance, insensitivity towards the feelings and needs of others, and callous exploitation of others. Their increased manipulativeness, callousness, deceitfulness, and hostility repeatedly puts them at odds with other people.

http://www.mentalhealth.com/home/dx/antisocialpersonality.html


I think you must not have read your DSM carefully; this is from the fifth edition, but I know it is in the fourth also:
Diagnostic Features
The essential feature of antisocial personality disorder is a pervasive pattern of disregard
for, and violation of, the rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and
continues into adulthood. This pattern has also been referred to as psychopathy, sociopathy,
or dyssocial personality disorder. Because deceit and manipulation are central features of antisocial
personality disorder, it may be especially helpful to integrate information acquired
from systematic clinical assessment with information collected from collateral sources.
For this diagnosis to be given, the individual must be at least age 18 years (Criterion B)
and must have had a history of some symptoms of conduct disorder before age 15 years
(Criterion C).
Conduct disorder involves a repetitive and persistent pattern of behavior in
which the basic rights of others or major age-appropriate societal norms or rules are violated.
The specific behaviors characteristic of conduct disorder fall into one of four categories:
aggression to people and animals, destruction of property, deceitfulness or theft, or
serious violation of rules.


I work in mental health at a Level 4 prison in Administrative Segregation (the prison within the prison for inmates with life sentences), so you would have a hard time finding anyone more familiar with antisocial personalities than I am.
 
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I've said this to a friend before but a part of you has to be a sociopath to be an MMA fighter. I get everyone signs up for it and understands the consequences, but when your hammer fisting a human being while he/she is unconscious then moments later are celebrating that is just not giving a fuck and having ZERO emotion about the damage you just inflicted, sometimes permanent, onto another human being. It's why MMA fighters are the most dangerous people in the world. You can arm those pussy ISIS cunts with weapons, but put them in a room with an MMA fighter and they will beg for mercy.
 
I've said this to a friend before but a part of you has to be a sociopath to be an MMA fighter. I get everyone signs up for it and understands the consequences, but when your hammer fisting a human being while he/she is unconscious then moments later are celebrating that is just not giving a fuck and having ZERO emotion about the damage you just inflicted, sometimes permanent, onto another human being. It's why MMA fighters are the most dangerous people in the world. You can arm those pussy ISIS cunts with weapons, but put them in a room with an MMA fighter and they will beg for mercy.
Only reason ISIS still exists is because Dana didn't send Chuck with that look in his eyes over there ...
 
Sherdog is posting some doozies lately.

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sociopaths and psychopaths tend to be very charismatic and charming. he is not
sociopaths and psychopaths tend to have been in trouble with the law during their teen years. he wasn't

I don't think he is.

Exactly. Sonnen is the piece of garbage that is a sociopath. He is white, though. So, of course he gets a pass.
 
Jon Jones is the exception to the rule when it comes to fighter bashing, always has been

Seen mods bashing him for a long time now

Yup. They might as well just make that an official exception already, it's ridiculous.
 
I won't get into a debate about who is a better authority on this, but I would invite you to ask any clinical psychologist (which I will point out that Neuroscientist is not) if you can diagnose APD through a brain scan, they will unconditionally tell you no. There may be some correlations they can find regarding brain and behavior, but it is by no means conclusive, nor is genetic predisposition to violent and aggressive behavior. While it is not an either/or situation (it possibly could be affected by both), the evidence of environment causing this behavior is far stronger.

As far as what you debated me on, that is very easy information to find; anyone familiar with psych diagnostics could tell you this:
Individuals with Antisocial Personality Disorder grow up being lawless and impulsive. The core features of this disorder are: (1) antagonism (manipulativeness, callousness, deceitfulness, hostility), and (2) disinhibition (risk taking, impulsivity, irresponsibility). This disorder is only diagnosed if: (1) the individual is at least 18, (2) these behaviors occur at home, work, and in the community, and (3) these behaviors lead to clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

In childhood, these individuals usually have Oppositional Defiant Disorder (towards parents and teachers) which develops into Conduct Disorder (delinquency) in adolescence. This delinquency takes the form of reckless thrill-seeking, physical violence (towards people or animals), and law-breaking. These individuals become the school bullies, thieves, vandals, and drug-dealers. Most adolescent delinquents grow out of this behavior as they enter adulthood. However, those that increase their delinquent behavior as they enter adulthood have their diagnosis changed from Conduct Disorder to Antisocial Personality Disorder.

In adulthood, individuals with Antisocial Personality Disorder become more antagonistic. They show an exaggerated sense of self-importance, insensitivity towards the feelings and needs of others, and callous exploitation of others. Their increased manipulativeness, callousness, deceitfulness, and hostility repeatedly puts them at odds with other people.

http://www.mentalhealth.com/home/dx/antisocialpersonality.html


I think you must not have read your DSM carefully; this is from the fifth edition, but I know it is in the fourth also:
Diagnostic Features
The essential feature of antisocial personality disorder is a pervasive pattern of disregard
for, and violation of, the rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and
continues into adulthood. This pattern has also been referred to as psychopathy, sociopathy,
or dyssocial personality disorder. Because deceit and manipulation are central features of antisocial
personality disorder, it may be especially helpful to integrate information acquired
from systematic clinical assessment with information collected from collateral sources.
For this diagnosis to be given, the individual must be at least age 18 years (Criterion B)
and must have had a history of some symptoms of conduct disorder before age 15 years
(Criterion C).
Conduct disorder involves a repetitive and persistent pattern of behavior in
which the basic rights of others or major age-appropriate societal norms or rules are violated.
The specific behaviors characteristic of conduct disorder fall into one of four categories:
aggression to people and animals, destruction of property, deceitfulness or theft, or
serious violation of rules.


I work in mental health at a Level 4 prison in Administrative Segregation (the prison within the prison for inmates with life sentences), so you would have a hard time finding anyone more familiar with antisocial personalities than I am.

I wasn't debating your knowledge of the subject matter, I was merely pointing out your lack of source. Also, thank you for the clarification.

Putting this aside for a moment, the only people that would know if Jones had any symptoms of conduct disorder before 15 would be his family friends and himself, so for a legit diagnosis it would seem you are right. But the fact that it cannot be diagnosed but anyone online, does not indicate that he doesn't have ASD, just the evidence isn't heavy enough to conclusively state that he does have it.

Also, I'm not too sure how versed you are in genetics/epigenetics, but claiming "the evidence of environment causing this behavior is far stronger (than genetics)" is, to my knowledge, a bit of a misunderstanding. The differing environments allow for histone modifications (i.e. the addition of a methyl group on an amino acid), so no matter how you try to slice it, it is still genetic (perhaps biochemical fits better than genetic, but I think you get the point). In biological systems, it's best to throw out the "Nature vs. Nurture" argument, as an organism cannot survive without an environment to nurture (and thus, alter) it. In other words, you are what you eat.
 
I wasn't debating your knowledge of the subject matter, I was merely pointing out your lack of source. Also, thank you for the clarification.

Putting this aside for a moment, the only people that would know if Jones had any symptoms of conduct disorder before 15 would be his family friends and himself, so for a legit diagnosis it would seem you are right. But the fact that it cannot be diagnosed but anyone online, does not indicate that he doesn't have ASD, just the evidence isn't heavy enough to conclusively state that he does have it.

Also, I'm not too sure how versed you are in genetics/epigenetics, but claiming "the evidence of environment causing this behavior is far stronger (than genetics)" is, to my knowledge, a bit of a misunderstanding. The differing environments allow for histone modifications (i.e. the addition of a methyl group on an amino acid), so no matter how you try to slice it, it is still genetic (perhaps biochemical fits better than genetic, but I think you get the point). In biological systems, it's best to throw out the "Nature vs. Nurture" argument, as an organism cannot survive without an environment to nurture (and thus, alter) it. In other words, you are what you eat.
Yes, of course no one could diagnose him online. But if we were to suppose that he did not have anything like that in his childhood, he technically could not receive that diagnoses; that's what I was saying.

Environment in the sense I was talking about was family dynamics, parenting and modeling and to a lesser degree social environment (e.g. "growing up in the hood"), not physical environment, and is a common discussion in psychology. Antisocial personality is far more strongly correlated with physical/sexual/neglectful abuse and drug-plagued, dog eat dog environments in formative years than any kind of genetic link. These people are not raised in such a manner that they ever have remorse for pain that they cause others. Children raised in such an environment will tend to show antisocial behavior no matter what their genetics. As far as that environment altering their biochemical makeup, that is a different issue than I was talking about.
 
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